Ride Data

[Gregski]

So I decided to strap my trusty HP Netbook to my gas tank and tether it to my Alltrax AXE4834 programmable controller via a serial/USB cable and by running their ControllerPro software get some excellent data

what I like best about this setup is that it shows you not only the voltage but the amps without an external shunt as it gets the data directly from the controller, among other things like throttle position, a date/time stamp, and temperature (of something called a diode, lol)

what boggles the mind is that Alltrax has just finally offered the voltage reading on their homegrown Ex-Ray gauge/speedometer, for a while their original device did not even show us that, how lame is that, maybe in a year or two they will display the amps, lol, meanwhile I am thinking of buying an old Windows Mobile phone off of eBay and running ControllerPro on it and using it as my gauge, what do you guys make of that hack/idea?

QUESTIONS:

1. What's the difference between Output Current and Battery Current? And how can I draw 192 amps from the battery pack but "output" 375 at 6:41:08 pm?

2. How can I draw 260 amps from the battery pack when I am using a 200 amp fuse, wouldn't it blow?

3. I forget.... lol



great this forum does not allow us to upload text files - wth?

[Gregski]

DateStamp TimeStamp ThrottlePos DiodeTemp BatteryVoltage OutputCurrent BatteryCurrent ErrorFlags
9/9/2011 18:36:54.639 0 38.3 50.3 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:36:55.653 0 37.9 50.4 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:36:56.667 0 38.3 50.3 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:36:57.681 0 38.3 50.5 20 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:36:58.695 0 38.3 50.3 20 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:36:59.709 0 37.9 50.3 20 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:00.723 0 37.9 50.4 25 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:01.737 0 37.9 50.5 30 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:02.751 0 38.3 50.3 20 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:03.765 0 38.3 50.3 35 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:04.779 0 37.9 50.3 40 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:05.793 0 38.3 50.4 35 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:06.807 0 37.9 50.4 30 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:07.821 0 38.3 50.3 15 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:08.835 0 38.3 50.3 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:09.849 0 37.9 50.4 35 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:10.863 0 38.3 50.4 40 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:11.877 0 38.3 50.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:12.891 0 38.3 50.3 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:13.905 0 38.3 50.3 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:14.919 0 37.9 50.5 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:15.933 0 38.8 50.3 20 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:16.947 0 38.3 50.4 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:17.961 9 37.9 50.2 45 4.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:18.975 6 38.3 50.2 5 0.3 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:19.989 11 37.9 50.3 90 9.5 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:21.003 5 37.4 50.1 30 1.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:22.017 6 37.9 50.2 50 3.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:23.031 12 37.9 49.6 115 14 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:24.045 16 37.9 48.8 130 20.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:25.059 15 37.9 49.4 70 10.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:26.073 24 37.4 47.9 135 32.8 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:27.087 25 37.4 49.1 135 34.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:28.101 28 37.4 48.5 115 32.5 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:29.115 30 37.9 47.8 95 28.7 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:30.129 39 37.9 46.7 210 81.5 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:31.143 36 37.9 47.6 115 41.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:32.157 39 37.9 47.8 130 51 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:33.171 39 37.9 47.6 110 43.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:34.185 39 37.9 48 70 27.5 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:35.199 37 37.9 48.5 35 12.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:36.213 0 38.3 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:37.227 0 38.3 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:38.241 0 38.3 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:39.255 0 38.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:40.269 0 38.3 50 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:41.283 0 38.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:42.297 9 37.9 49.8 10 0.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:43.311 25 37.9 47.3 245 62.5 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:44.325 33 37.4 46.4 260 84.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:45.339 33 38.3 47.3 145 47.2 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:46.353 33 38.3 47.8 125 40.7 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:47.367 33 37.9 48.1 90 29.3 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:48.381 38 37.9 47.3 120 46.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:49.395 39 38.3 47.6 115 44.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:50.409 100 37.9 45.2 230 230 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:51.423 100 38.3 45.1 210 210 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:52.437 100 37.9 45.1 180 180 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:53.451 100 37.9 45.5 190 190 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:54.465 100 38.3 45.5 170 170 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:55.479 100 37.9 45.5 185 185 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:56.493 100 38.8 45.5 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:57.507 100 37.9 45.7 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:58.521 100 38.3 46 140 140 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:59.535 100 38.3 45.9 165 165 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:00.549 100 38.3 45.9 160 160 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:01.563 100 38.3 45.9 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:02.577 0 38.8 49.3 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:03.591 0 38.3 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:04.605 0 38.8 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:05.619 0 39.3 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:06.633 0 39.3 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:07.647 0 38.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:08.661 0 38.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:09.675 62 38.8 45.8 185 115.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:10.689 58 38.3 46.7 135 77.8 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:11.703 57 38.3 47 110 63 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:12.717 58 38.3 47.1 110 63.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:13.731 57 38.3 47.2 100 57.3 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:14.745 58 38.3 47.4 90 51.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:15.759 57 38.3 47.5 85 48.7 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:16.773 58 38.3 47.7 80 46.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:17.787 58 38.3 47.8 75 43.2 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:18.801 57 38.3 47.8 75 42.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:19.815 0 38.8 49.4 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:20.829 0 39.3 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:21.843 0 38.8 49.6 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:22.857 0 38.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:23.871 0 38.8 49.8 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:24.885 0 39.3 49.8 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:25.899 0 38.8 50 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:26.913 0 38.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:27.927 0 38.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:28.941 40 38.8 44.9 345 139.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:29.955 100 38.8 45.1 260 260 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:30.969 100 38.8 45 230 230 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:31.983 100 38.8 45.4 250 250 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:32.997 100 38.3 45.3 220 220 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:34.011 100 38.3 45.2 185 185 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:35.025 100 39.8 45.2 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:36.039 100 38.3 45.9 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:37.053 100 38.8 45.8 185 185 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:38.067 100 38.3 45.7 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:39.081 100 38.3 45.8 160 160 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:40.095 100 38.8 45.8 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:41.109 100 38.8 46.1 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:42.123 100 38.3 46.1 140 140 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:43.137 100 38.8 45.5 120 120 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:44.151 100 38.8 45.9 165 165 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:45.165 100 38.8 46.2 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:46.179 100 39.3 46.2 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:47.193 100 38.8 46.2 135 135 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:48.207 100 38.8 46 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:49.221 0 39.3 49.1 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:50.235 0 38.8 49.4 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:51.249 0 39.3 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:52.263 0 39.3 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:53.277 100 38.8 45.4 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:54.291 100 38.8 45.5 135 135 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:55.305 100 38.3 46.1 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:56.319 100 38.8 46.1 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:57.333 100 38.8 45.9 125 125 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:58.347 100 38.8 45.8 145 145 0x00
9/9/2011 18:38:59.361 100 38.8 45.6 145 145 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:00.375 100 38.8 45.6 145 145 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:01.389 100 38.8 45.9 120 120 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:02.403 100 38.8 45.9 115 115 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:03.417 100 38.8 46 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:04.431 100 39.3 45.8 120 120 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:05.445 100 38.8 45.9 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:06.459 0 38.8 49 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:07.473 0 39.3 49.3 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:08.487 0 40.3 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:09.501 0 39.3 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:10.515 0 39.8 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:11.529 0 39.3 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:12.543 0 39.3 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:13.557 0 39.3 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:14.571 0 39.3 49.7 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:15.585 32 38.8 47.1 250 80.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:16.599 100 38.8 44.6 245 245 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:17.613 100 38.8 45.1 225 225 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:18.627 100 38.8 44.9 195 195 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:19.641 100 39.3 45.4 200 200 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:20.655 100 38.8 45.7 200 200 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:21.669 100 38.8 45.5 185 185 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:22.683 100 39.3 45.8 200 200 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:23.697 100 39.8 45.9 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:24.711 100 39.3 46 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:25.725 100 39.3 45.6 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:26.739 100 39.8 45.4 145 145 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:27.753 100 38.8 45.7 160 160 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:28.767 100 39.3 45.7 140 140 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:29.781 100 39.8 46.1 125 125 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:30.795 100 38.8 45.8 145 145 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:31.809 100 39.8 45.9 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:32.823 100 38.8 46.2 125 125 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:33.837 100 39.8 45.9 125 125 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:34.851 100 39.3 46.1 135 135 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:35.865 100 39.8 46.2 120 120 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:36.879 100 39.3 46.1 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:37.893 100 38.8 46.1 125 125 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:38.907 100 39.3 46.1 120 120 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:39.921 100 39.8 45.9 115 115 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:40.935 24 39.8 49.1 10 2.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:41.949 65 39.8 48.9 30 19.5 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:42.963 68 39.8 47.4 80 54.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:43.977 100 39.3 45.6 110 110 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:44.991 0 39.8 49.1 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:46.005 0 39.8 49.3 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:47.019 0 40.3 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:48.033 0 39.8 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:49.047 0 39.8 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:50.061 0 39.8 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:51.075 0 39.8 49.6 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:52.089 0 39.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:53.103 0 39.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:54.117 0 40.3 49.7 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:55.131 0 39.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:56.145 58 39.8 45.8 285 164.3 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:57.159 100 39.8 45.4 220 220 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:58.173 100 39.8 45.2 180 180 0x00
9/9/2011 18:39:59.187 100 39.3 45.4 170 170 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:00.201 100 39.8 45.4 170 170 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:01.215 100 39.3 45.3 175 175 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:02.229 100 39.8 45.5 190 190 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:03.243 100 39.8 45.7 135 135 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:04.257 100 40.3 45.8 140 140 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:05.271 100 39.8 45.9 165 165 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:06.285 100 39.8 45.9 140 140 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:07.299 100 39.8 45.7 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:08.313 100 39.3 45.8 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:09.327 97 39.8 45.8 145 141 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:10.341 0 40.8 49.1 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:11.355 0 39.8 49.3 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:12.369 0 40.3 49.4 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:13.383 0 39.8 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:14.397 0 39.8 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:15.411 0 39.8 49.6 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:16.425 51 39.8 49.3 115 58.2 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:17.439 60 40.3 45.6 190 114.7 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:18.453 62 39.8 45.7 185 113.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:19.467 62 38.8 45.8 160 99.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:20.481 64 39.8 45.8 155 99.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:21.495 100 39.8 46 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:22.509 100 39.8 45.5 135 135 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:23.523 100 40.3 45.9 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:24.537 100 39.3 45.9 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:25.551 100 39.8 45.8 120 120 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:26.565 100 39.8 45.9 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:27.579 100 39.8 45.8 140 140 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:28.593 100 39.8 45.8 130 130 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:29.607 100 39.8 45.8 125 125 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:30.621 0 39.8 49.1 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:31.635 0 39.8 49.3 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:32.649 0 40.3 49.4 5 0 0x00
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9/9/2011 18:40:36.705 100 40.3 45.2 200 200 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:37.719 100 39.8 45.2 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:38.733 100 39.8 45.5 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:39.747 100 39.8 45.3 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:40.761 100 39.8 45.8 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:41.775 0 40.3 48.9 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:42.789 0 40.3 49.2 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:43.803 0 40.3 49.3 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:44.817 0 39.8 49.6 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:45.831 67 39.8 45.2 230 154.2 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:46.845 66 40.3 45.7 205 135.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:47.859 66 39.8 45.1 155 102.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:48.873 100 39.8 45.6 210 210 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:49.887 100 39.8 45.2 155 155 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:50.901 100 39.8 45.2 165 165 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:51.915 100 40.3 45.7 175 175 0x00
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9/9/2011 18:40:53.943 100 39.8 45.5 140 140 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:54.957 100 40.8 45.7 150 150 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:55.971 100 39.8 45.7 135 135 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:56.985 100 39.8 45.4 110 110 0x00
9/9/2011 18:40:57.999 0 40.3 48.9 5 0 0x00
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9/9/2011 18:41:09.153 63 39.8 44.8 285 179.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:10.167 74 39.8 45 245 180.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:11.181 75 40.3 45.1 225 167.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:12.195 78 40.3 45.5 205 159.2 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:13.209 84 39.8 45.2 195 163.6 0x00
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9/9/2011 18:41:52.755 0 40.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
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9/9/2011 18:41:54.783 0 40.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:55.797 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:56.811 0 40.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:57.825 0 40.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:58.839 0 40.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:41:59.853 0 40.8 49.7 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:00.867 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:01.959 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:02.895 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:03.909 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:04.923 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:05.937 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:06.951 0 40.8 49.8 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:07.981 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:08.979 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:09.993 0 40.8 49.8 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:11.008 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:12.022 0 40.8 49.9 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:13.036 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:14.050 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:15.064 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:16.078 0 40.8 49.8 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:17.092 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:18.106 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:19.120 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:20.134 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:21.148 0 40.8 49.8 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:22.162 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:23.176 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:24.190 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:25.204 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:26.218 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:27.232 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:28.246 0 40.8 50 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:29.260 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:30.274 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:31.288 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:32.302 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:33.316 0 40.3 50 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:34.330 0 40.8 49.9 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:35.344 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:36.358 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:37.372 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:38.386 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:39.400 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:40.414 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:41.428 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:42.442 0 40.8 49.8 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:43.456 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:44.470 0 41.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:45.484 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:46.498 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:47.512 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:48.526 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:49.540 0 40.8 49.9 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:50.554 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:51.568 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:52.582 0 40.8 49.9 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:53.596 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:54.610 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:55.624 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:56.638 0 40.8 49.9 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:57.652 0 41.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:58.666 0 40.8 50 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:42:59.680 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:00.694 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:01.708 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:02.722 0 40.8 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:03.736 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:04.750 0 40.3 49.9 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:05.764 0 40.8 49.9 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:06.778 9 40.3 49.3 145 13.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:07.792 9 40.8 49.7 55 4.7 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:08.806 9 40.3 49.6 45 3.9 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:09.820 9 40.3 49.7 55 4.7 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:10.834 9 40.3 48.2 55 5 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:11.848 23 40.3 47.6 155 35.3 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:12.862 19 39.8 47.6 235 45.2 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:13.876 22 39.8 47.6 285 62.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:14.890 25 39.8 46 310 76.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:15.904 25 40.3 45.8 340 86.7 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:16.918 30 39.8 45.1 345 104.2 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:17.932 12 39.8 48.9 45 5.3 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:18.946 13 40.3 48.9 80 10.7 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:19.960 0 40.3 49.4 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:20.974 0 40.8 49.4 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:21.988 0 40.3 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:23.002 0 40.3 49.5 5 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:43:24.016 0 40.3 49.6 5 0 0x00

[amberwolf]

temperature (of something called a diode, lol)

Diodes have a voltage drop across them that varies with temperature and current, so you can use them as temperature sensors if you know or set the voltage and current. So not terribly unusual to see one used that way in the controller.

meanwhile I am thinking of buying an old Windows Mobile phone off of eBay and running ControllerPro on it and using it as my gauge, what do you guys make of that hack/idea?

If you can actually get it to run on there, it's certainly worth a shot. Just keep in mind tha tWindows Mobile isn't the same as Windows on a laptop, and programs for one aren't necessarily written to just run on the other. If they have a WM version of their app, then it'll probably work, if there is a port to use for the external connection that isn't locked out in the OS.

I've used an old Palm with Veloace as my spedometer, etc., for some time before getting a Cycle Analyst from http://ebikes.ca . There are still things about Veloace/PDA I prefer, like the analog gauge, the "g-force" function, etc.,

If you can afford one, I highly recommend the CA, either standalone or direct plugin model, for any EV.

1. What's the difference between Output Current and Battery Current? And how can I draw 192 amps from the battery pack but "output" 375 at 6:41:08 pm?

Output is what the motor is drawing, while being PWMed, while Battery current is, well, just how much is being supplied by the battery at straight DC. I recommend the initial primer over at http://4qdtec.com/pwm-01.html for how this is possible.

2. How can I draw 260 amps from the battery pack when I am using a 200 amp fuse, wouldn't it blow?

If the fuse is on the battery side, and the 260A is on the motor side, then no it won't blow.

Also if the 260A is short enough duration, the fuse won't blow. It can take a relative eternity for fuses to blow, when not too far past their ratings, compared to the time it takes electronics to evaporate and let their magic smoke out.

[Gregski]

If you can actually get it to run on there, it's certainly worth a shot. Just keep in mind tha tWindows Mobile isn't the same as Windows on a laptop, and programs for one aren't necessarily written to just run on the other. If they have a WM version of their app, then it'll probably work, if there is a port to use for the external connection that isn't locked out in the OS.

I've used an old Palm with Veloace as my spedometer, etc., for some time before getting a Cycle Analyst from http://ebikes.ca . There are still things about Veloace/PDA I prefer, like the analog gauge, the "g-force" function, etc.,

If you can afford one, I highly recommend the CA, either standalone or direct plugin model, for any EV.

I am a computer geek by trade, so I think I may be able to pull it off, plus I noticed the Alltrax program is a self contained executable and not a piece of software you have to install in the traditional sense where there is a setup.exe file that installs a bunch of .dll libraries and modifies your computer registry.... zzz zzz zzz wake up people, lol

The Cycle Analyst shows you the volts, the amps, and the amp hours left however it requires an external shunt and a mickey mouse magnetic speedometer pickup off your wheel also it does not directly plug in to the controller which holds all the good information

thanks for all your advice

[amberwolf]

The CA *can* plug into your controller to use *it's* shunt, and pick the speedo off the hall sensor stuff in the controller. Use the DP model for that instead of the SA (or get the SA and just don't use the shunt or speedo, and wire it up like the DP would have).

It doesn't directly read any controller-generated data, though.


Regarding the .exe, I guess as long as it's compiled to work totally standalone and makes no calls to any external dlls or parts of windows itself that are not standardized between both versions of windows, it should work on the mobile--but since it does i/o stuff it probably does make dll calls, and might not know how to talk to the i/o stuff in mobile, if it's different from the desktop version.

Theoretically you could still make an interfacing program that intercepts the calls and sends them off to the right place and format of the mobile version stuff, and passes data back in the expected manner, but i have no idea how to do that.

[Hillhater]

great this forum does not allow us to upload text files - wth?

You could post it as a screen dump / image file

it would be good to see some speed or rpm data associated with this electrical data.
Maybe just a few comments to show where you were accelerating, and where at steady speed etc etc

[Gregski]

Regarding the .exe, I guess as long as it's compiled to work totally standalone and makes no calls to any external dlls or parts of windows itself that are not standardized between both versions of windows, it should work on the mobile--but since it does i/o stuff it probably does make dll calls, and might not know how to talk to the i/o stuff in mobile, if it's different from the desktop version.

My friend tried it for me on his and it would not run, so there goes that idea, oh well.

[Gregski]

it would be good to see some speed or rpm data associated with this electrical data.
Maybe just a few comments to show where you were accelerating, and where at steady speed etc etc

I agree that is a good idea, in the meantime could you gather anything from the throttle angle, you could see where I am accelerating using that as it goes from 0 to 100

[Hillhater]

Throttle doesnt tell the whole story..
I can assume that max amperage is during maximum acceleration if throttle is 100%
..but you could be holding 100% throttle whilst the motor is maxed out at 40mph but only pulling 10amps !

Actually those throttle position numbers dont make much sense, they seem to just cycle up to 1000 and then cut back to 0 and start cycling up again ??

[Jay64]

The throttle data looks like he was testing the bike. Once the throttle starts opening, it is some small partial throttle opening. And then slowly up to 100%. Then as the test goes on, it looks like he pretty much wacks the throttle open to full pin and then lets off completely. Then towards the end of the run it looks like he is more feeling out the throttle at a medium pace.

[Gregski]

The throttle data looks like he was testing the bike. Once the throttle starts opening, it is some small partial throttle opening. And then slowly up to 100%. Then as the test goes on, it looks like he pretty much wacks the throttle open to full pin and then lets off completely. Then towards the end of the run it looks like he is more feeling out the throttle at a medium pace.

Yup, the bike is pretty slow by my standards, it's like a moped, so I always roll on full throttle and putt around at 30 to 35 MPH, then I let off and let the motor / drag slow me down, at the end I am pulling up a steep driveway into the garage, so yeas I am being gentle there, LOL

[Hillhater]

Are we looking at the same column ? .. 3 rd column from the left ?, ..readings starting at 639, and cycling up to 989 before dropping back to 003 ??
EG:
DateStamp TimeStamp ThrottlePos DiodeTemp BatteryVoltage OutputCurrent BatteryCurrent ErrorFlags
9/9/2011 18:37:13.905 0 38.3 50.3 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:14.919 0 37.9 50.5 10 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:15.933 0 38.8 50.3 20 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:16.947 0 38.3 50.4 0 0 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:17.961 9 37.9 50.2 45 4.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:18.975 6 38.3 50.2 5 0.3 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:19.989 11 37.9 50.3 90 9.5 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:21.003 5 37.4 50.1 30 1.6 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:22.017 6 37.9 50.2 50 3.1 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:23.031 12 37.9 49.6 115 14 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:24.045 16 37.9 48.8 130 20.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:25.059 15 37.9 49.4 70 10.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:26.073 24 37.4 47.9 135 32.8 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:27.087 25 37.4 49.1 135 34.4 0x00
9/9/2011 18:37:28.101 28 37.4 48.5 115 32.5 0x00

I dont see any correlation between those "throttle figures" and the amps etc ??
And are you really that progressive with the throttle ?? ... the figures just seem too cyclic for a throttle position .
The first "cycle" from 639 to 989, takes 25 secs...nice steady throttle control ?
The next throttle "cycle" from 003 to 997 takes 81 secs ? ! ... boy you were steady on that throttle ??
Then there are 2 more "cycles" taking 81 - 82 sec each !! Who takes 80 secs to crank the juice open ??
That column increases steadily at a consistant rate of 14 per sec ...every sec !! ???
No , i dont buy it that column is not the throttle position ! .... its too slow , too steady, too consistent , too cyclical:?

[Jay64]

I believe that is all part of the same number: 18:37:13.905 not 18:37:13 905


I believe the throttle position is the number after the space after that number.

9/9/2011 18:37:13.905 0 38.3 50.3 10 0 0x00

[Hillhater]

Ahh, now that makes much more sense !
.I wonder what that extra column is...milli secs,.. or just a random sequence number ??
so it looks like at 100% th it pulls about 260a peak accelerating , but settles down to 120 ish A when the speed max's out.

and that would suggest you could gear up comfortably for more speed.
5.0 V of voltage sag though ?

[Gregski]

I believe that is all part of the same number: 18:37:13.905 not 18:37:13 905


I believe the throttle position is the number after the space after that number.

9/9/2011 18:37:13.905 0 38.3 50.3 10 0 0x00

you are correct sir, thank you

[Gregski]

Ahh, now that makes much more sense !
.I wonder what that extra column is...milli secs,.. or just a random sequence number ??
so it looks like at 100% th it pulls about 260a peak accelerating , but settles down to 120 ish A when the speed max's out.

and that would suggest you could gear up comfortably for more speed.

thank you, I appreciate you looking, analyzing and explaining

5.0 V of voltage sag though ?

What do you mean by that?

[Gregski]

logged another ride today, actually did the first half or so of my one way ride to work, so I logged roughly 5 miles, this included two freeway overpasses, anyway my top speed was roughly 35 MPH except when climbing it dropped to 20 MPH

let me just say how much I appreciate you guys taking the time to read this and help out, also I hope you find my posts funny and sarcastic rather than moronic, lol

so here's what I noticed today, and this just blows my mind, at one time the data read

Output Current: 470

Battery Current: 141.9

Battery Voltage 45.2

Now I am not sure what battery voltage means (as I excel at over thinking things, and easily confuse that number with AH), I guess it means how much it's drawing at that time so 45.2 volts X 141.9 amps = 6413.88 Watts

So does that mean at 470 amps I was running on 13.65 volts?

If so, that means I am getting this.

If so, that means that they might as well not put any amp ratings on controllers as my 300 amp Alltrax just gave new meaning to giving it 150% - LOL or does this mean my bad boy can pull up to 300 amps at 48 volts or 14,400 watts of pure DC power while spewing out what ever combination of amp/volts it can muster up to 14,400 watts?

[Hillhater]

5.0 V of voltage sag though ?

What do you mean by that?

Thats the difference between your "unloaded" battery volyage ( 50.5 v ?) and the voltage reading when the motor is pulling a high current load from the battery.
A "ideal" battery would have no voltage sag.
A poor battery ( undersize, old, worn out, etc) will have a high voltage sag.

So does that mean at 470 amps I was running on 13.65 volts?

no !...its not that simple, the motor gets a "pulsed" , intermittent , power feed from the controller, so you cannot compare those motor amps and volts to Amps and volts in steady DC ( battery ) terms

[Jay64]

at one time the data read

Output Current: 470

Battery Current: 141.9

Battery Voltage 45.2

Now I am not sure what battery voltage means (as I excel at over thinking things, and easily confuse that number with AH), I guess it means how much it's drawing at that time so 45.2 volts X 141.9 amps = 6413.88 Watts

So does that mean at 470 amps I was running on 13.65 volts?

If so, that means I am getting this.

If so, that means that they might as well not put any amp ratings on controllers as my 300 amp Alltrax just gave new meaning to giving it 150% - LOL or does this mean my bad boy can pull up to 300 amps at 48 volts or 14,400 watts of pure DC power while spewing out what ever combination of amp/volts it can muster up to 14,400 watts?

There are a lot of electrical engineering types here that could probably explain this a lot more accurately, but here is my understanding of it, in layman's terms. You mentioned at one time this is what it read. For this the B voltage was 45.2, probably a LOT of this was the sag that hillhater was talking about. As you use your batteries, the volts will get lower, at a certain point, you are going to need to stop usage and recharge based on your volt level. If you whack open the throttle, especially from a low speed, your batts, IIRC you have SLA, will take a big instant hit in volts (SAG) and a spike in amps/current being used. Other types of batts, such as Lipos don't have as much sag, so you don't get as big of a drop in volts when you whack it open from a low speed. As your acceleration decreases, when you get closer to top speed, you will usually see your volts return closer to the original volt measurement (not as much sag at that point) and your amp draw will decrease. But the longer you ride, you will see your volts decrease steadily. I have found that you will use a lot less battery if you slowly roll onto the throttle to get the bike moving and bring it up to speed, and then go full throttle, rather than go from 0 throttle straight to 100%. I'm a racer, so I'm constantly trying to go for WOT too, but when you are commuting and you want your range to increase, you need to roll on. The funny thing is that WOT doesn't draw that much once you are up to speed. I did a similar build 3 years ago with a hurricane chassis, mars motor, and 48v SLA. I originally designed it for 30 mph, since all of my roads to work were 25-30 mph. Then I got bored and changed my front gear and got 35mph. Unfortunately, I documented the whole build here and nowhere else. They did a cleanup and my thread got purged, so I don't have any of the info from that original build. So your build sounds right on target for what I did with mine.

[Gregski]

There are a lot of electrical engineering types here that could probably explain this a lot more accurately, but here is my understanding of it, in layman's terms.

Thank you so much Jay much appreciated.

I did a similar build 3 years ago with a hurricane chassis, mars motor, and 48v SLA. I originally designed it for 30 mph, since all of my roads to work were 25-30 mph. Then I got bored and changed my front gear and got 35mph. Unfortunately, I documented the whole build here and nowhere else. They did a cleanup and my thread got purged, so I don't have any of the info from that original build.

Noooooooooooooooooooo - I would have loved to have seen it / read it. What sprocket sizes were you using, I am running a 12 tooth front and a 47 rear and can't wait for the 13 tooth front to arrive in the mail, lol 35 MPH is not enough and trust me I am Captain Slow, not a racer by any means, I just like to get out of the way of buses if you know what I mean, lol

[Gregski]

So I spent the last umpteen months waiting on an affordable Alltrax AXE7245 450a 24-72v controller to show up on eBay and it finally did, for $275 (including shipping) = score!

So my new (used) controller arrived finally.

I found out you use the same 3A diode for 200A and up contactors so we are good there, however I am using a 470 ohm 10W resistor now and I need the 1000 Ohm 10W for the 72 volt system. Does that mean I don’t need to change until I add two more batteries? Right now I just want to try the new controller with my existing four 12 volt lead acid batteries, ie 48 volt system.