Quick summary of petroleum industry's energy outlook 2030

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Quick summary of petroleum industry's energy outlook 2030

Postby pdf » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:08 am

Went to a seminar recently given by a chief scientist at a major petroleum company (names not given to protect the guilty). The topic was biofuels/alternative energy and their position in the company's energy outlook and planning.

As a quick summary, I am listing below THEIR take on the energy future to 2030:
1) major oil companies don't look beyond 20 years out. Too many factors they can't predict even at that far out.
2) most fuels will come from where they are still coming from; coal for electricity, petroleum for transportation.
3) biofuels will increase, a lot as a percentage of current output but will still be nearly insignificant.
4) Any significant decreases in GHG or petroleum demand will come from efficiency improvements, including possibly smaller cars, not less cars.
5) Ethanol as a fuel is a wash even with cellulosic ethanol as a commercial product, there is some hope for algal diesel but not much.
6) Solar will remain more expensive then converting coal or natural gas into a liquid fuel so if petroleum based fuels become expensive enough, they will make liquid fuels from coal, most probably.
7) They think there is plenty of oil to supply demand out to 2030, with the Saudis playing a very large role is maintaining price.
8) Electric cars are still a bit of a wild card for them. They vastly prefer fuel-based transportation, obviously. They think range and DOC issues to remain for the forseeable future
9) They think the US is basically incapable of doing anything other than what they are currently doing; driving their personal automobile for everything. Major initiatives like carbon taxes only drive up the cost of fuels and don't affect use.
10) They think things like making cars cheaper would be more effective than fee-based systems. The logic being that specialized purpose high efficiency vehicles would be purchased for single person commuting if costs were lower.
11) We will tap every gallon of petroleum and every ton of coal. The question is not if, but when. And they don't see anything slowing it down and several things (growth in Asia) speeding it up.
12) Lastly, he thought my riding an ebike everyday to commute was tantamount to monastic self-sacrifice. He commented after seeing the bike that all I needed now was a hair shirt. I told him that unless it was very cold or raining, I preferred riding my ebike to driving.

Bear in mind that this was a petroleum industry guy, but as a chief scientist, he is a bit more objective than a "talking head" company rep. So take the above with a grain of thought, but it was a sobering reality check for people interested in alternative energy.
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Re: Quick summary of petroleum industry's energy outlook 203

Postby dnmun » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:49 am

not sure why you don't name the people. but it doesn't jive with reality.

we actually exported gasoline last quarter. from net importer to 200k exporter.

oil production in the US has increased since 2009, and GS has said they expect the US to become the worlds largest oil producer by 2017, by including a lot of non oil products like NG liquids and biofuels, as russia only increases by max of 100k bopd and saudi drops to 8.7mmbopd.

the amount of oil now available for production by the development of horizontal drilling into the oil bearing source rock and using multistage hydraulic fracturing has totally changed the oil production landscape.

this is a totally different world than just 2 years ago because of the development of production of oil from the source rocks.

oil will be expensive because it is so expensive to drill and frack, but we will continue to increase production for a long time since we have a huge amount of oil bearing source rock. we are already in peak oil, but the top has been flattened into a plateau and it will be like this until world production declines in about 2015.
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Re: Quick summary of petroleum industry's energy outlook 203

Postby pdf » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:33 pm

We export gasoline but we are a large net importer of petroleum. Crude oil will be available for a long time but at some point, the price of recovery will make other options for fuels less expensive.

Saudi Arabia has plenty of oil; the largest single source of proven reserves and it is easy to get at. They can still have a tremendous influence on price for a large net importer like the US.

I am not sure what part of the summary did not reflect reality, actually. Anyway, if there is anything wrong with my summary, it is probably my misinterpretation of the speakers comments and not his lack of connection to reality.
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Re: Quick summary of petroleum industry's energy outlook 203

Postby dnmun » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:02 pm

natural gas will become a major component of the transport fleet, not just fleet vehicles and buses or trash trucks, but autos too. CNG is already widely used in the rest of the world and honda sells a CNG civic here too. we just have a huge amount of natural gas being produced now from fracking the gas bearing shale. the rig count is finally dropping in the haynesville shale but more areas are being leased so they will continue to produce more gas than we can use for another year or two we think, then prices may finally stabilize and climb again. oil is never going back down, the saudis have to get $85-90 to cover the cost of the social programs they initiated during the spring uprising. many people live under the illusion that the saudis can produce more oil, that is not true. they are already maxed out and producing more will damage their fields more than it is worth.
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Re: Quick summary of petroleum industry's energy outlook 203

Postby Hillhater » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:46 pm

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pdf wrote:...We export gasoline but we are a large net importer of petroleum. .
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what exactly do you mean ?
petroleum (UK, Aust, etc) = gasoline ( USA ) :?: :?
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Re: Quick summary of petroleum industry's energy outlook 203

Postby dnmun » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:44 am

he means crude oil. gasoline consumption in the US has dropped 2.7% YoY in the recent guvment inventory report to the 9th.

even if we become the worlds largest producer because of the shale oil revolution, we will still import oil, except china will be importing more.

that is where the upside is. CNG will sweep through the transport fleet before that, imo.

also 2017 is the time frame from goldman sachs, and they include biofuels and natural gas liquids that aren't really considered that way now. but some of us think 2022-2025 is reasonable, depending on how the current financial crisis develops and how fast the new rig fleet can be built. and of course there is the luddite type hatred of oil production in any form. and hysteria about hydrofracturing the source rock.
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