Re-winding a hubmotor

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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Farfle » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:57 pm

heres some pics of the dropouts, not welded in yet:

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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby bigmoose » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:01 pm

Farfle, I sure like your dropout solution! Absolutely, positively solved it. Plenty of wire room and NO possibility of rotation.
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby liveforphysics » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:29 pm

Farfle, you are a rockstar. Love it!
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Arlo1 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:16 pm

Yup awesome dude!
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby parabellum » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:15 am

Farfle, this monster is bomb proof in every direction. If this is the result of simple "Re-winding a hubmotor", your potential must be inexhaustible. Awesome work.
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby bigmoose » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:45 am

parabellum wrote:Farfle, this monster is bomb proof in every direction. If this is the result of simple "Re-winding a hubmotor", your potential must be inexhaustible. Awesome work.


I started thinking of the Wendy's burger analogy (here in the US):

Want a single? No problem, see Golden Motors.
Want a double? See Farfle!
Want a triple? Yet to be born.
Want a heart attack quadruple? Yet to be conceived!
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Thud » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:03 am

Want a double? See Farfle!
Want a triple? Yet to be born.
Want a heart attack quadruple? Yet to be conceived!


A gauntlet,.. has clearly been thrown.
who will pick it up?
touchet' Bigmoose
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ViVa les Farfle!
get some......

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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Miles » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:08 am

Tau = Tao :mrgreen:
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby parabellum » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:08 am

bigmoose wrote:I started thinking of the Wendy's burger analogy (here in the US):

Want a single? No problem, see Golden Motors.
Want a double? See Farfle!
Want a triple? Yet to be born.
Want a heart attack quadruple? Yet to be conceived!


Good approach to satisfy every taste.
Farfle was speculating about sticking 3 of those stators together but ended doing 2 (for now I hope). It is kind of reasonable, Gillette Mach 3 would be uninteresting if Schick Quatro is available first. :D
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby zombiess » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:54 am

I think Farfle might want to see how controllable two stacked together are first before getting really fun/silly and going to 3. I have experience with torque from my Hubzilla and it's flat out nutty in a 20" tire, and this monster should make even more even if he's runs a 24"! I'm just wondering how controllable it's going to be without turning down the phase amps quite a bit. This motor is so awesome and so big the magnetic field it induces might cause smaller geared hub motors to rotate around it like moons.

Personally I'm blown away at the fab skills involved. I wish I had that kinda skill / dedication. I can dream stuff up but I can't produce it, just don't have the skills or the tools. I'm just lucky to have a few friend that can weld / fab stuff out of metal for me when I need help (pretty often), but no one with this kind of talent.

Enough ego stroking, Farfle, get that thing laced, we want video of it in action!
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby XLR8 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:13 pm

I see there is a microswitch in one of the photos of the drop-outs. I am curious as to know what it is used for?
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Farfle » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:28 pm

Im so sorry guys, I took the bike for a run, and left my helmet can at the house :cry:.
Here's some stats from the ride:

MaxA: 229
MinV: 93.2
MaxS: 69.7 (CA wasn't reading speed correctly, it was still accelerating)
Wh/mile: 79.6
Miles traveled: 3.9
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24s5p 50c nano tech
Badass custom mofo outrunner 205x177mm 26kv
Peak power in : 318A at 91v
Peak power out: 24 Hp and 151ft/lb

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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby liveforphysics » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:39 pm

Farfle wrote:Im so sorry guys, I took the bike for a run, and left my helmet can at the house :cry:.
Here's some stats from the ride:

MaxA: 229
MinV: 93.2
MaxS: 69.7 (CA wasn't reading speed correctly, it was still accelerating)
Wh/mile: 79.6
Miles traveled: 3.9



Nice! Sounds like a ripper! :-)
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby zombiess » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:41 pm

Farfle wrote:Im so sorry guys, I took the bike for a run, and left my helmet can at the house :cry:.
Here's some stats from the ride:

MaxA: 229
MinV: 93.2
MaxS: 69.7 (CA wasn't reading speed correctly, it was still accelerating)
Wh/mile: 79.6
Miles traveled: 3.9


Do you think you reached 69.7 or is the wheel size out of whack on the CA? Need video tomorrow.
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Farfle » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:49 pm

zombiess wrote:
Farfle wrote:Im so sorry guys, I took the bike for a run, and left my helmet can at the house :cry:.
Here's some stats from the ride:

MaxA: 229
MinV: 93.2
MaxS: 69.7 (CA wasn't reading speed correctly, it was still accelerating)
Wh/mile: 79.6
Miles traveled: 3.9


Do you think you reached 69.7 or is the wheel size out of whack on the CA? Need video tomorrow.


definitely hit 69mph, not the wheelsize calibration, the CA will flicker between actual speed and an arbitrary nonsensical 56 mph, that's until it hits 70, then it goes to zero while the bike keeps accelerating.
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Peak power in : 318A at 91v
Peak power out: 24 Hp and 151ft/lb

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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Farfle » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:59 pm

Here's some pics of the bike after the ride.

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Badass custom mofo outrunner 205x177mm 26kv
Peak power in : 318A at 91v
Peak power out: 24 Hp and 151ft/lb

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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby liveforphysics » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:53 pm

You should be a "proud papa" Farfle.

Thats a badass machine, and you made it yourself. Nothing you can buy can match that level of satisfaction. Savor it my friend.
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby zombiess » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:41 am

Farfle wrote:
zombiess wrote:
Farfle wrote:Im so sorry guys, I took the bike for a run, and left my helmet can at the house :cry:.
Here's some stats from the ride:

MaxA: 229
MinV: 93.2
MaxS: 69.7 (CA wasn't reading speed correctly, it was still accelerating)
Wh/mile: 79.6
Miles traveled: 3.9


Do you think you reached 69.7 or is the wheel size out of whack on the CA? Need video tomorrow.


definitely hit 69mph, not the wheelsize calibration, the CA will flicker between actual speed and an arbitrary nonsensical 56 mph, that's until it hits 70, then it goes to zero while the bike keeps accelerating.


Damn dude, that thing is hauling ass then. We must have video, I demand it!
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Arlo1 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:49 am

Yup you need video and dyno tests. I proved with my x5 I can spike what you see in my avitar but it was no faster then something with ~350 amp peaks!
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby fechter » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:22 am

Nice :twisted:

What are the pedals for? I don't even see a chain.
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby parabellum » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:34 am

fechter wrote:Nice :twisted:

What are the pedals for? I don't even see a chain.

Pedaling with no chain is more fun! It looks magically. :)
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Alan B » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:35 am

Must be that new transparent chain.
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Andje » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:03 am

chain officer? No! It's all magnets!
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby John in CR » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:19 am

Outstanding work Farfle, definitely an ebike to be proud of. I take it that this one won't have a female pilot, because it will take some balls to ride. :mrgreen:
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Re: Re-winding a hubmotor

Postby Farfle » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:46 pm

John in CR wrote:Outstanding work Farfle, definitely an ebike to be proud of. I take it that this one won't have a female pilot, because it will take some balls to ride.


Actually, if I can get her to ride it again I will, my cousin will be up to ride my friends 9c bike in the 1500w class, and my boss will be racing his hot-rod hx powered bullit cargo bike in the 1500w class aswell.

And sorry again, I cant get you guys a ride video till the 8" of snow we got last night melts off.
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