I gotta agree 99% with what sunder's been saying... not to knuckle under and be scared of the fuzz and the law makers, but more to try and stay stealth as long as possible, because the longer we fly under the radar, the better it is for all of us and the longer it'll be before Johnny law clamps down on ebikes and even normal bikes in general.
I think it may also be very different depending on where you live... ie There's lots I like about Australia, but a few things I detest... as Sunder has pointed out. It used to be that cops were generally easy going even when you were doing something a bit silly (ie 'being kids'), and would at worst kindly ask you to stop/move on etc. now its getting ridiculous, and stupid 'entertainment news' like TT and ACA aren't helping. I could list off a dozen or so incidents recently where cops have pulled me up for the most trivial BS, or for no reason at all just cause its become 'acceptable' or 'necessary' for them to show their legal muscle. Ie a couple months back, me and a few other pedestrians are crossing the street, and stop on the median strip to wait for a cop car to pass before walking the rest of the way... as we step of the curb the cop hits the breaks hard, reverses about 15m to block our path and threatens with a fine $hundreds for not crossing at the lights... wtf? He's got me and others standing in the middle of a busy road, holding up traffic behind him while he lectures us about safely crossing the road, all while keeping us standing in the middle of one?!
I've spent allot of time living in Canada, and I can honestly say cops over there seem far less stressed/on a power trip than here... ie even when a pair of cops saw a bunch of guys smoking a Joint in the street, they merely walked up calmly and told them to put it out and go smoke at home/where kids/family's aren't around. Just seemed so pleasant and reasonable!
Put it this way, im generally wary of cops in Australia, I'd certainly never risk smiling or waving at any as they walked past in case they see me as being suspicious (yes, ive actually been pulled over for waving, not at cops but to get the attention of friends across the street)... In Canada though I'd feel 100% comfortable going up to one to ask for directions or help. Thats my experience anyway...
So yea, sorry for the rant, guess I needed to get some of that off my chest. As I said earlier in this topic, get out and ride, have fun while you can, but try and keep it under the radar as much as possible, not just because dealing with the fuz can be a royal PITA, but because its only a matter of time before some dero on a ICE or E bike kills himself and maybe others, or acts like a dick infront of the law. And then the fun free riding will be over very quickly!
Sunder wrote: liveforphysics wrote:
Sunder wrote:It's unfortunately people like John in CR that are going to ruin it for all of us.
Nope. He is embracing and using the best transportation method on the planet. Doing the right thing, and setting an example for it.
100% agree up to this point.
liveforphysics wrote:The problem is 100% in the minds of the police and lawmakers. Never stop doing the right thing because some idiots and their hired goons try to stop you.
I think we all agree that the police and lawmakers have set limits too low. No question about that.
But advocating we rub it in their faces and say "What are they going to do, arrest us all"? That's profound disrespect for the law - even a law that isn't fair.
Sooner or later - Someone, any one person will hit a kid and cause paraplegia There is no doubt, that someone will point out if the bike rider hadn't been riding at 40km/h and had a bike that weighed 30+kg, then this accident would have been avoided or far less serious. Ergo, the problem was not a bad luck accident, a single foolish rider, but actually the bike itself as at fault.
A typical pay out for that is in the range of 10 to 75 million. Without compulsory registration and insurance, that person will be bankrupt, and that kid will be left uncompensated, and this will make the news and force legislators to register and insure all powered bikes. And with registration, there will probably be annual checks, just like they have cars here.
The issue is not obeying a law which is unreasonable - my bike is also capable of more than 200 continuous, 250 peak. My issue flaunting it in front of police, and "making the most of it" while we can get away with it. That attitude, I know is what gets the back up of police and will make them come down on us with the full force of the unreasonable law.