Gas Prices Rising Fast

[LI-ghtcycle]

What is really going to change all the problems related to a oil based economy?

First and foremost, we could absolutely stop buying oil from countries that are in constant state of turmoil and allowing ourselves to be caught up in the middle of it.

We have plenty of capped oil wells in this country with more than enough supply, and new sources are being found regularly, that is where we should be getting our oil until we are able to transition to a better cleaner source of energy, much of our infrastructure is crumbing and woefully inadequate to even maintain, so it's only logical to replace older technologies with newer, cleaner, smarter technologies.

The simple fact is, currently, there is no other source that is so energy dense and economically viable than oil, much of that will change with an up-date of infrastructure.

I see no difference in our economy whether there is a red or blue uniform on the current administration, and oil greases just as many palms in both major parties.

Until that changes, everything else is pretty much irrelevant.

Personally I would love to see more Nuclear energy, it's really the only thing out there right now that can truly compete on a global scale, and hopefully as more things like Solar and LNG, and to a lesser extent Bio-Fuels we can remove oil from it's current global domination.


I am in total agreement with Ike's warning against the military/industrial complex, and would add the media to that same big machine.

That however doesn't cause me to turn a blind eye to the details and paint everything with such a broad brush assume that every action by the US has an evil motive.

The very fact that we live in a country were we aren't arrested for having such discussions is something many around the world cannot do with out oppression.

I'd love to see where people in places like North Korea, Syria, Iran, Egypt are having such discussions about the current govenrment in a public forum and not being arrested or worse for it.

I didn't serve in the Air Force to support only people that agree with me or my point of view, but for the freedom for anyone to have any opinion.

That is something that is something that can be taken away very easily and has been, even in this country in the past (Abraham Lincoln arresting people speaking out against the Union during the Civil War comes to mind) and can happen again if we are not watching.

I also agree that there is a problem with the US getting involved where it does not belong, and we are going to reap the "rewards" of living by the sword, and will also die by the sword.

That is not the same thing as creating a one world government and trying to control everyone according to any one set of rules, we make good and bad choices, there are no white hats, not one country can say there is no blood on anyone's hands for past or even present actions, we are all imperfect human beings.

I do not believe there is any country in the world where all are good or all evil, we are all human beings, and with that all make mistakes, not one of us is innocent of wrong, however, that doesn't mean we are all axe murderers either.

If that were true, there would be no difference between good and bad, no law, just law of the jungle, and sadly, that is what many places in the world are, here in the US and other countries that are trying to do better, make laws that protect people just living their lives, going to work, raising families.

I do however see a difference between countries, religions, and political systems that allow for freedom, and those who do not.

No one person, nation, or religious group has the right to enforce one set of rules on everyone, just look at any group in history that has tried, and because they are at their core, just another human institution with human beings, whether it was the Roman Empire, the British Empire, Colonialism, "Capitalism", "Communism", "Christianity" "Islam" or any other group for any reason (the UN is a PERFECT example of how this doesn't work, otherwise we would have an end to all International conflict at least among the nations participating) trying to impose it's will on everyone everywhere.

We do need to have more of a "live and let live" policy in our own country, but that doesn't mean I can't distinguish between lawlessness and those who try to obey law.

I don't like the idea of someone coming into anyone's home anywhere and calling them a legal combatant if they defend their own house, and there is nothing new about this happening, it's just as wrong no matter who's doing it, however, that doesn't mean it is our country's policy.

If you want to talk about places where the authorities are a law unto themselves, and everyday people have to worry about the police/military or other government forces foreign or domestic, there are plenty to go around, they aren't all NATO countries.

Military forces should NEVER be used foreign or domestic to perform police like actions, that is not what they are designed to do, and soldiers performing acts as described in the KillTV videos are no less evil then anything else, and are also Illegal and I have yet to hear of the same kinds of prosecution in terrorist states such as Iran, North Korea, etc. prosecuting such acts as we prosecute our war criminals.

These countries are not the same, show me how many NATO countries have people defecting to leave them, how many people are risking their lives to go to places like Cuba?

There is a difference, history shows this difference, you only need to have an open mind and read.

[motorino magnet]

Good read...


thanks for your wisdom...

cept it was too long for most people who have a 10 second attention span...

[motorino magnet]

PS...

"Nuclear energy, it's really the only thing out there right now that can truly compete on a global scale,"


we are killing ourselves blowing each oyster up...

too bad we couldn't use the atom bomb for good energy instead of the realities who want to blow up the Iranians...


too bad really,we will die from bombs and war before we died of nuclear waste...


just sayin...

[Jason27]

^ dude what are you talking about?

Nuclear is on its way out. Its too dangerous. Ask the Japanese.

Solar power is the future. Its safe and clean. Ask the Germans.

[TonyReynolds]

What is really going to change all the problems related to a oil based economy?...

Great post.

[TonyReynolds]

^ dude what are you talking about?

Nuclear is on its way out. Its too dangerous. Ask the Japanese.

Solar power is the future. Its safe and clean. Ask the Germans.

The French have no problem running safe nuclear plants. They've been doing it for decades and nearly all of the electricity comes from nukes.

Using broad brushes to paint an entire industry is disingenuous. The Japanese plants that failed were of an older design. GE warned Tokyo Power that they needed to be upgraded, but TP didn't want to spend the money.

I personally vote for solar and wind, but that doesn't work everywhere...

[ddk]

^ dude what are you talking about?

Nuclear is on its way out. Its too dangerous. Ask the Japanese.

Solar power is the future. Its safe and clean. Ask the Germans.

The French have no problem running safe nuclear plants. They've been doing it for decades and nearly all of the electricity comes from nukes.

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french soil has little history of earthquake activity
don't be building no nu-clee-arr power plants in California/Nevada please!
(see:Nippon)
There is nothing disingenuous about the concept of (realestate guy speek) Location Location Location!

[wineboyrider]

When I was stationed in Germany there was (is) a nuclear power plant near Koblenz that was never turned on, because of the leftist radicals. Germany today get's most of it's electricity from France and other former Soviet bloc countries. Germany has a lot of things going for it as far as exports etc., but it will have to adjust it's energy policy. Solar is way behind in ROI and inefficient at best and what the hell are you going to do for power at night when the sun doesn't shine???????
Nuclear energy rocks!

[Arlo1]

When I was stationed in Germany there was (is) a nuclear power plant near Koblenz that was never turned on, because of the leftist radicals. Germany today get's most of it's electricity from France and other former Soviet bloc countries. Germany has a lot of things going for it as far as exports etc., but it will have to adjust it's energy policy. Solar is way behind in ROI and inefficient at best and what the hell are you going to do for power at night when the sun doesn't shine???????
Nuclear energy rocks!

My x did some study in this area and there is some number like every year a typical Nuclear plant gives off one cup or non disposible radioactive waste that has a shelf live of 40,000 years.... That in it self is a big problem. Not to mention the chance of something impacting the reactor it self. Like the Japans worries... All I know is batteries are getting better and chances are I will have multiple packs. So one or more will charge at the house while I am out with the other during the day. So the one charged at the house can also power the house at night. Wind... well its almost more often at night here and more in the rainy season. I plan for 3.5-5kw solar on the roof soon then if it gets cheeper more. And also 1-5 kw of wind. I am not sure if I will do an off the grid thing or just trade with BC hydro... But frock no to nuclear we dont need it!

[ddk]

with my solar system
i has close to 16 kw of sled acid batteries when the sun don't shine
a *very* expensive refrigerator (and very small) that sips power (600w per day average)
halogen and led lights and an A/C unit (which I no longer need due to my current location) that uses less than 300w when running
...and a sense of conservation

nuclear energy might rock (ESP in Japan) except you're stuck with these deadly byproducts no one has effectively found a way to dispose of yet
(unless you think it's ok too leak some once in a while)

oh, and gas prices in N. CA was $4.50 for regular and $4.70 for diesel

[Harold in CR]

Some economist just proclaimed that the USA can handle $4.00 /gallon gasoline with little affect on the economy.

Must be one of them 1% ers. We all see what happens with no labor work force to speak of, because of no jobs in manufacturing in the USA.

I keep reading about more and more companies returning to the USA because the cost of labor around the world is going up.

[dogman]

Well, the economist is dead on right. Two years ago the lower middle class was paying 2 bucks and change and had zero discretionary income. Now with 4 buck gas the lower middle class will have zero discretionary income.

See? No difference. The house payment or rent and gas ( on the charge card) for the car take all their money. No new car no new TV, just make the minimum payments you can and buy food. No difference to the economy whatsoever.


The French have Nuclear power all figured out all right. They ship their nuke waste to siberia for " reprocessing" A very large percentage of the waste remains in siberia. The plants themselves are relatively safe, at least compared to the Cherynobyl design.

Want to scare the shit out of yourself? Read the book about how the meltdown in Chernyobly happened. Very scary the kind of people they turned loose to build a nuke plant. Kind of like having a guy who knows how to fix a car design one.

[veloman]

Every household I've been in wastes at least half of the energy it consumes.
2 ton autos are still the norm for transportation.

I can say for sure that at the personal level, there is a ton of efficiency to be gained For the average american. Wind and solar would work a lot better if people conserved. In fact, business sometimes waste many multiple times more energy than people. When you are big, no one is really accountable.

[DAND214]

Dogman is right here

Well, the economist is dead on right. Two years ago the lower middle class was paying 2 bucks and change and had zero discretionary income. Now with 4 buck gas the lower middle class will have zero discretionary income.

See? No difference. The house payment or rent and gas ( on the charge card) for the car take all their money. No new car no new TV, just make the minimum payments you can and buy food. No difference to the economy whatsoever.

See no change for the rest of us 99% are still broke and getting worse by the gallon.

$4.29 local BP station out of Chicago. $5.00 is coming way too soon. Went up .11 from that morning!

Reason? It's still GREED. we don't need oil from over seas, we have plenty here, just go get it now. Not when it dry elseware so we can (not me) be rich(er).

I wish they would build some highways that get the EPA rated milage.

Sorry guys, the way it's going we might see the BUSH problem all over again. Or was it Clinton or?

I hate this stuff, said enough.

Dan

[mat h physics]

@veloman, maybe you should find out what Jevons' paradox is before spouting off nonsense.
It has been proven time and again, only resulting in creating more of a monster than a solution. "You can deny reality, but you can not deny the consequences of denying reality"- Ayn Rand

HERE IS THE REALITY- Support for Israel's, out of wack, government policies and the RELIGIONS backing them is the REAL PROBLEM. The LSM continues to blame Iran and any other scapegoat they can find due to the zionist control of the US media.

The American public will not prosper until they can see the truth, which will continue to be hidden by LIES generated by RELIGION and the media.

Authorities LIE, it's how the keep and obtain more power, through BRAINWASHING of the public.
Take this into consideration: http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stor ... ial-media/

[miro13car]

I live in North America and veloman is absolute right about inefficiency and wasteage of NAmerican households.
Namely energy wastage everyware you look in NAmerica
In general learn how to conserve energy you have NOW not for new sources of energy in form of oil, natural gas.
Landmark example is famous cloth dryer known only in New World - NAmerica, Australia, why European do not use it?
There are millions of them. Speaking about electrical power grid in NAmerica.
Only when you start comparing with lifestyles/habits around the globe, the truth comes out ugly - NAmerica uses a lot of energy, lot of is wasted, veloman is right
Lean times call for lean mesures.
I am sure that energy in general used by 3-member Canadian family in their hudge house is close to twice the usage of average 3-member Swiden family or Norwagen family.
Stupid and shortsighted Alberta goverment wants to buld another power line and at the same time DID NOT increased incentives for people who buy new appliances in popular goverment programs. Not only that programs like that going to run out of money soon-what a shame.
Obama is the first USA president I think who finally pointed that USA is using too much, way to much energy for household.

[Kinni420]

Here in Colorado, gas prices arent nearly as bad as other places around the country at $3.30 a gallon.

talked to a friend last night who lives in the SF bay area. Hes paying $4.40+ a gallon these days and the stupid thing is that the freeways are still jammed. Ive probably put a little over 300 miles on my car this year, most of it when I needed to get to Breckenridge to go skiing. Otherwise I ride everywhere on my bike.

lets look at the costs I figured Ive been saving.

my ride to denver in my subaru. 10.3 miles. about a gallon on cold mornings. $4.00 multiply that x2 for each day 8 bux. parking (if im lucky and get a spot in the cheaper parking area) $3.00 insurance around 4 bux a day.
total for a year of driving about $3850

total cost to ride my e-bike $0 (i charge it at work )

[dnmun]

USA=18.49 tons CO2/person/yr

chinese=8 tons CO2

europe=6.3 tons CO2

world avg=4.49 tons CO2

i live in world of recycling, reuse, and conservation to the max. i am about 5.5 right now i estimate, outside of woodstove for heat, which is 100% of my heating.

[MattyCiii]

Rising gas prices are what they are, but let's face the fact that in the USA, gas prices are highly subsidized with dollars and blood (see below). What really sucks about this fact is that during the economic downturn, the USA became a net exporter of oil. We brought crude oil into the USA, refined it, then sold it overseas, and some of what went offshore (to China and India, etc.) came from American wells.

What's wrong with that? Plenty. Oil companies sold petrol to China, India etc that US taxpayers subsidized!

Oil supplies lines from the middle east are protected by the US military. I'm not talking Iraq/Afghan wars, I mean standing presence in the Persian Gulf. This is very expensive - but US taxes (income tax mostly) pays. Giant tax breaks on enormous oil company profits also subsidize cheap fuel. Nice if you drive a gas guzzler a lot - a raw deal if you get around mostly by train, bike, or economy car.

Worst, the American motorist is oblivious. They think just because they pay some small amount in gas tax, they own the road. The truth is that well over half the cost of roads are paid by sales tax, income tax and property tax. So if you don't drive, you are paying someone else an incentive to stay in their car (and probably one day run your bike off the road).

Take away all funding for mass transit, bike lanes, sidewalks, etc., is the prevailing political cry from the "Conservatives". Why? So that low to middle income masses will have no choice but to drive, no matter how high the price of fuel.

The price will continue to rise because we've reached peak oil. The smart thing for modern humans to do would be to build complete streets, so that when petrol is too expensive for all but the 1%, the rest of us can still at least walk or bike to the store and buy a loaf of bread.

[veloman]

USA=18.49 tons CO2/person/yr

chinese=8 tons CO2

europe=6.3 tons CO2

world avg=4.49 tons CO2

i live in world of recycling, reuse, and conservation to the max. i am about 5.5 right now i estimate, outside of woodstove for heat, which is 100% of my heating.

One thing I don't like about wood fuel - it's incredibly polluting to burn. I would have to look it up, but the smoke from wood fires is far worse than other normal people's 'exhausts'.

[dogman]

Yeah, wood heat is pretty bad for air quality. But I must confess, I burn about a half a cord a year. It was two cords a year before I spend $200 insulating my attic better. One nice thing about wood heat, at least the carbon came out of the atmosphere in your lifetime. So it somewhat breaks even compared to fossil carbon.

The wood is bad, but I figure I earned the rest of my life using a half a cord a year by making my house so much more energy efficient. Basicly, I only light the fireplace on the second sunless day in a row, and generally burn 90% of my firewood during one week when we actually have real winter weather here. The rest of the winter, the house nearly heats itself on the passive solar heating stuff I added to the south side.

Could be worse, 40 miles away in Juarez, they burn anything. Tires are made into sandals, then the tire scrap fires tile kilns. PCB's in the air all winter in El Paso as a result. Anything flamable in the dump heats a shack, like plastic bottles or whatever. Everybody in El Paso just prays for north wind.

Back to wood heat, a lot depends on how your fireplace is set up. A proper woodstove with secondary combustion is legal to use on no burn days. The crappy instant fireplace unit typical in houses should be illegal at all times. Mine was absolutely horrible. Swear to god using it made the house colder. Several modifications to it helped a lot. Metal door, then strategicly placed vents in the door, plus a combustion air vent next to the hearth made a huge difference. Now it heats great and puts out very little visible smoke. Like the bike, gotta do a few mods to get any performance out of it.

[dnmun]

i actually like the smell of wood smoke. i had about 5-8 cords from my 85 year old chesnut and collected another 3 cords from various construction sites within a block of my house. still have about 2 cords of the chesnut tree that are too hard to split. the chesnut has it's own flavor, fir and the hemlock and larch is sweet too, but apple is really sweet, ash and oak i like.

the trick to burning wood is dry, dry, dry. then use a small hot fire with lotsa air. i have a cawley lemay inside the house and it has a special air jet door, but my little shed out here has a small chinese knockoff of the little jotul stove. it has to be small for my shed, i burn little pieces too, so i can keep the fire hot. i don't know why people worry about wood stoves in the south since there is so little heating needed, and for so short a period of time. i go from halloween to easter because the spring here is so long and cold.

i got over being self righteous about pollution from wood stoves until we run outa crude oil. the sooner the better, imo. and the wood doesn't end up in landfills.

global warming is gonna change everything. wood smoke is not gonna change anything.

[kfong]

I've been reading up on rocket mass heaters. Very efficient and simple design. Much more effective than traditional wood stoves where a good percentage of the heat goes out the chimney.

[motorino magnet]

i actually like the smell of wood smoke. i had about 5-8 cords from my 85 year old chesnut and collected another 3 cords from various construction sites within a block of my house. still have about 2 cords of the chesnut tree that are too hard to split. the chesnut has it's own flavor, fir and the hemlock and larch is sweet too, but apple is really sweet, ash and oak i like.

the trick to burning wood is dry, dry, dry. then use a small hot fire with lotsa air. i have a cawley lemay inside the house and it has a special air jet door, but my little shed out here has a small chinese knockoff of the little jotul stove. it has to be small for my shed, i burn little pieces too, so i can keep the fire hot. i don't know why people worry about wood stoves in the south since there is so little heating needed, and for so short a period of time. i go from halloween to easter because the spring here is so long and cold.

i got over being self righteous about pollution from wood stoves until we run outa crude oil. the sooner the better, imo. and the wood doesn't end up in landfills.

global warming is gonna change everything. wood smoke is not gonna change anything.

your a conasierur of fine wood-like some fine wine...same to be enjoyed like a fine old women

[motorino magnet]

being living up here in Canada trying to stay away form Georgie and hies fool friend Cheyenne,and there new comer with his hag Hillery...or is it lechery...


Canada is beautiful and almost free since that new crime minister STOL the quote with the robot-subverters..

cbc...http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=1980

and...http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2365355/


thankfully we got grapes up here kicking some ass...http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/10/ch ... ter-hornby


but this oil-sands that are killing the fish and the people....that Harper(tm) govt...

should be shot,eh?


this one will kill ya since were bickerers...


http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/wit ... 78324.html


i know generalize...


they will give you the second side of the story if ya want to listen...


yep ,Canadian rednecks are the truth slayer,,,Indians eh?