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Reliable 40mph offroad capable rc drive e-bike!SOLD!

Postby mdd0127 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:56 pm

Sold!

Edit: 1/23/13
Since this thread is so old and has been edited a few times, I think that the reason for the lack of interest might be due to confusion because of the thread layout. Quick summary. I have an awesome 40 mph capable e-bike that I'd like to sell for $1,800. I'm also willing to sell it as an almost rolling chassis, only needing a rear hub, spokes, and electronics. I'm also willing to part it out. It can run at 3000 watts until the battery runs out, 8000 watts for a few minutes at a time and has peaked at 24,000 watts, verified by the CA and castle link logging.

Pics, details, video, and testimonials as to how crazy I am for selling it so cheap below. :wink:


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It's been used/modded a little since this pic but this gives you a general idea.
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If you've been looking for an extremely high powered, off road capable, reliable, custom e-bike, keep reading.

This bike was assembled to test batteries, motors, and controllers for the ultimate e-bike project. Now that I have found a reliable drivetrain setup to power my next prototype and the test bike is refined and reliable, it's time to sell it to fund the next step in the process.



The frame is a steel hard tail, 18" Mongoose Masher. It's set up like an adult size BMX bike, making it very comfortable to ride yet still trail capable. It has vintage snowmobile handle bars, a Rock Shox Tora U-Turn Coil Fork with adjustable 4-5" travel, Sun Rhynolite/alex32 rims, DT Stainless 14g spokes, an Avid 203mm front disc setup, a NuVinci N360 in the rear wheel, and Bontrager FR3 tires. Other bike parts include, used Shimano XTR 170mm cranks, mrp bashring, Demolition sealed bearing pedals, and a Demolition Stem. In current configuration, the bike weighs 74lbs.

The electric drive consists of an Astro motor(4t 3220), a highly modified recumpence reduction drive utilizing both a CSK25 and 3/4" roller clutch, driving 219 o-ring chain to the disc mount on the NuVinci, a Castle Creations HV160 ESC, 6 Turnigy 25c 5000mah RC lipos configured at 12s,3p(44v, 15ah) using custom CNC'd parallel blocks, and a large screen RC specific Cycle analyst. The throttle is pushed with the left pointer finger. It's physically set up force the throttle to be released to apply the front brake instead of relying upon an electronic switch. Charging is accomplished with a Hyperion 1420 EOS, powered either by 12v or by a meanwell at 24V, 5A, going through a single plug into tppacks lvc/hvc boards. Meanwell not included.

Currently, I have the current limit set to 150A. The bike can be scary for a 200lb, experienced, not easily scared rider. The slipper clutch is set to prevent too much wheelie action and the acceleration is brutal. azcagiva at the advrider forums, Amberwolf one of our fearless mods here at the sphere, and the owners of both bike shops in Cottonwood,AZ, Aaron at Sultana Cycles, and Dean at Zoomers have all ridden this bike and would probably be happy to testify to the downright coolness of it and how much effort I've put into to it!

The top speed is currently gearing limited to 35-40mph(depending on state of charge). It will get there in about three seconds(haven't officially timed it), power NOT being the limiting factor. The bike must be pedaled up to 3mph to engage the drive to make life easier on the motor controller. Cruising around town with occasional high speed bursts and wheelies, the bike uses around 32 watt hours per mile. Range in between 15-85ish miles depending on terrain, headwind, riding style, and rider input through the pedals.

Even though the bike is extremely rideable and useable as is, in my mind, to be totally complete, the bike still needs three minor things done, which the buyer can finish or I can for some extra cash.

1. The bike needs a 50v 200A capable contactor/on/off switch. I've just been connecting the bullet connectors after holding a simple precharge switch for a few seconds.
2. The bike is currently using a temporary side cover made from plastic, cardboard, stainless tape, and duct tape. It is completely functional but I have designed aluminum/wood covers that haven't been a priority to complete yet. I have all of the materials and they can be done in a few days.
3. The hvc/lvc boards need to be interfaced to pull down the throttle. Very easy to do.



The parts to build this bike cost me $3,500 + and it took a few months of intense, highly skilled work to bring all of it together so this is an extremely good deal. The person that buys this bike will not only be getting one of the fastest, most high tech bikes on the market, they can also feel good because their purchase will push something AWESOME closer to reality.

All transactions will need to be cash in person or US postal money order but I will happily personally deliver the bike anywhere in Arizona or Southern California for gas money. I can ship this bike but would really like to go over everything on it in person with the new owner if at all possible! International shipping is possible but extremely expensive.



or.......

Parts:

Rock Shocks U-Turn 302 coil fork 4-5" travel $150
Alex 32 Rear Rim, DT Swiss stainless spokes for Nuvinci N360, $50
26" front wheel, Quick release with Deore XT? Hub, Rhynolyte Rim, DT Swiss stainless spokes $60
Demolition BMX Stem $25
Demolition Sealed pedals $25
XTR 170mm cranks with MRP bashguard/deore bottom bracket-rough condition $30
Avid Elixir 5 Front Brake assembly with 203mm rotor $80
Mongoose Masher 18" Steel hardtail frame with custom battery enclosure $150
Adamo Typhoon Ergonomic Seat $50
Aluminum Seat Post 31.9mm I think $20
Thumb throttle $10
1 Bontrager FR3 Tire, almost new, 1 patched, $60

All parts total $710

OR
Package deal:
Mongoose Masher Complete Rolling Chassis with:
Sun Rhynolite 26" rear rim with spokes for NuVinci N360, Rock Shox U-Turn Coil 4-5" travel, Avid Elixir 5 Front Brake assembly with 203mm rotor, Rhynolyte front wheel, alex32 rear rim, Bontrager FR3 tires, 170mm XTR cranks with MRP Bash guard, Demolition Stem and sealed pedals, custom plywood battery enclosure, aluminum seatpost, Adamo Typhoon ergonomic seat, Vintage snowmobile bars. Crappy duct tape/cardboard,plastic battery cover.
Add a motor, reduction if necessary, rear hub, batteries and controller and go ride!
$650 + shipping


Please get in touch by private message asap if you would like to make an offer or post any questions you may have here in the thread so others that might have the same question can see the answer.

Here's some video (might want to turn down your speakers):









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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby amberwolf » Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:20 am

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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:45 pm

edit: moved info to first post.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:38 pm

:D Just cleaning up the confusion in the thread. :wink:
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby amberwolf » Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:12 am

And if anyone does want that frame/etc., remember that I have a still-original-condition tan version of the same frame here that can be used to build a second one or as a spare for the first.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:53 pm

Well, I got really busy and have been asked to help build a chase truck for the next Mexican 1000 (http://norra.com/mexican1000.php)
so the bike is still together and still for sale. I will entertain any (somewhat reasonable) offers for the bike! Trades considered! I need some extra funds to get setup to enjoy the race!
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:56 pm

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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby comradegerry » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:27 pm

Wow, what a great build, solid execution and the best of parts, I am totally impressed. If I was not so close to having my own bike up and running I would grab this with both hands, it's a steal. All the bike and non of the heart ache of starting from scratch, I hope it finds a good home soon, it deserves it.

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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:18 pm

Thanks Gerard!
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:32 pm

It has been suggested that it's not that there isn't a market for this bike but that my marketing attempts are the reason it hasn't sold. Any suggestions as to better marketing ideas would be highly appreciated! I'd still like to sell this bike. As long as I have it, it's highly unlikely that I'll ever be motivated enough to build the next prototype!
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby ls7corvete » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:01 pm

mdd0127 wrote:It has been suggested that it's not that there isn't a market for this bike but that my marketing attempts are the reason it hasn't sold. Any suggestions as to better marketing ideas would be highly appreciated! I'd still like to sell this bike. As long as I have it, it's highly unlikely that I'll ever be motivated enough to build the next prototype!


Focus more on the total wattage of this bike. Try and put up some more information from riding experiences (speed, range, handing, etc). Finish those minor things and post some high quality and high resolution pictures, ie, not hosted here.

Plus, I bet you can take things out of the deal that will help bring the price down. Is someone that buys this kind of bike going to need batteries and a charger?

Just thoughts. Wish I had the means, lol.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby LegendLength » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:58 am

You should make a nicely edited short video for youtube showing some off-road action like going over mounds, berms etc.. Those sorts of thing get a lot of views from people who aren't necessarily forum readers but are interested in cool inventions. Show what it can do better than a normal bike (e.g. effortlessly boosting up short hills).

Probably a lot of us here first heard about e-bikes on youtube. The one that got me interested was just a couple of 6 cell batteries taped to the handlebars and a dodgy friction drive. Nothing does it quite like a video IMO.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby marty » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:42 pm

mdd0127 wrote:It has been suggested that it's not that there isn't a market for this bike but that my marketing attempts are the reason it hasn't sold. Any suggestions as to better marketing ideas would be highly appreciated! I'd still like to sell this bike. As long as I have it, it's highly unlikely that I'll ever be motivated enough to build the next prototype!

Finish it. Ship it. Get some cardboard boxes or build a wood crate. I have found Greyhound Bus to have the lowest prices on shipping big odd shape stuff.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:19 pm

I'd love to get more video but my camera already falls apart just going down the street. It's useless for offroad. I also don't have a video assistant anymore so that's going to be tough.

If someone would like to help me with videos, loan me a gopro, or even ride the bike hard so I can attempt to film it, I'd love some help! I haven't been able to find anyone that will really ride it hard after the initial acceleration turtleheading!

As far as "finishing it" goes, I simply don't have the time or motivation to finish getting it consumer ready. If I already can't sell it at a huge loss, and it's totally useful to me and fun as is, why on earth would I spend more time prettying it up? If I get some money saved up and an extended time off work, I'm probably going to disassemble it and use the parts for a full suspension build so sinking any more time into this one just doesn't make sense.

This bike runs extremely well, is scary fast, is very reliable, and uses the best parts you can get. If I can't sell it as is, based on what it is and what I've already put into it, I'll just keep it and ride it until I rip it apart to build something else.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:31 pm

Someone steal this thing from me!
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby biohazardman » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:21 pm

I have been collecting parts for something similar for near a year now. In reality the price you are asking would barely cover the motor drive and batteries. I have $2400+ into mine now and have to fix or by a new frame as the one I bought off craigslist was cracked. I expect over $2800 just in parts before I am done. Then a bunch of labor to put it together. So I would consider your offer a good deal can't even come close to the quality of your build for that. I hope it sells for you.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:17 am

Thanks Biohazardman. I really don't think most people realize the amount of work it takes to put something like this together and make it reliable. I have spent quite a bit on parts for this build and know it's unrecoverable but I would hope that I could get at least half of what the parts cost.... I'm even OK with giving up being compensated for any of my labor or time. I really appreciate the fact that you weighed in on this thread and definitely owe you a beer or two or a few if I can make it to Portland for the summer!
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:49 am

I can't ride this bike anymore because the acceleration really hurts my neck.. No joke. I need some money and it sucks to see this bike sitting in my trailer.

New price. $1,800 or make an offer.

If there's any interest, I can email current pics.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby Kin » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:29 am

This is a nice bike. You might want to post your location, so people have a better idea. I dont think you posted it
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:41 pm

Thanks Kin. That's a good idea. The bike is in Camp Verde, AZ. I can deliver it within a few hundred miles for the price of fuel or I can partially disassemble it and ship it. Shipping cost in the US would probably run between $100-150. If there is serious interest, I'll get an exact quote for the buyer.
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Re: 3220 HV160 Powered OFF ROAD CAPABLE!!!

Postby mdd0127 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:21 pm

Thread update. See first post.
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Re: Parts! Rolling(almost) chassis!

Postby mdd0127 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:26 pm

Moved info to first post.
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Re: Parts! Rolling(almost) chassis!

Postby mdd0127 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:13 pm

:)
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Re: Parts! Rolling(almost) chassis!

Postby mdd0127 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:57 pm

Feel free to make offers on anything!
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Re: Parts! Rolling(almost) chassis!

Postby mdd0127 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:22 pm

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