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Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Doctorbass » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:46 pm

I wonder if anyone here know about the need of any vehicule that are imported in Canada to be listed in the RIV wich is the list of all authorized vehicule to be imported i Canada.

I am in the process of geting one from the US and i'm checking to ensure that every papers and documents will be fine when arriving at the customs when going back to Canada with the Zero.
I contacted transport Canada and the Canada customs and they pointed that the vehicule must be listed in the RIV ( Registrar of Import Vehicule)
but what i dont understand is... why i can't find the Zero in the document in the section Motorcycle
see by yourself: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/menu.htm
So how the Canada Zero Stores can have them and sell them if they are not listed in that document??

Apparently, The Zero is not in the list because they didn't register with either RIV or Transport Canada that their USA Domestic Market motorcycles meet Canadian standards (they likely do, but they didn't register it). The Canadian Domestic Market motorcycles do, which is why they are sold at Canadian dealerships.

The dream of getting a zero from teh US is becoming harder and harder... :(



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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Doctorbass » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:51 pm

HEre is some steps to follow that i just got from Adventure Rider website:

But the problem remain that the RIV wich is with Transport Canada dont have the zero in the list!!! :?

A friend of mine said that since the RIV and Transport canada are linked, maybe that by having acces to the original document from Zero manufacture themself, that confirm that this motorcycle meet the Canadian requirement ( safety, light, weight etc)... but will they accept?
(I recall, it's a demo bike from a US store)

1. Go to the website www.riv.ca. This site will give you lots of information and will give you a list of bikes that are admissable into Canada.

2. Figure out how you'll transport the bike. If you are insured with State Farm, you may be able to get the new bike insured before importing it, so you can ride it over the border. More likely, you won't be able to insure it until it's in Canada, which means you will need to bring it over on a trailer.

3. 72 hours before you are going to bring the bike into Canada, you have to have the original ownership of the bike delivered to the "Export Control" division of US Customs (NOT Canadian Customs) at the border where you will be crossing. They need this time to make sure the title is clear and legitimate and that the bike is something that is allowed to be exported. You will need the seller of the bike to send the original (not a copy), to you or direct to the border. Likely you will have had to pay for all or most of the purchase price to get them to do that.

3. Go get the bike.

4. When you get to the border and are about to enter Canada, make sure you stop at US Customs BEFORE you get to Canada Customs. You have to go and retrieve the original of the ownership which you sent to them 3 days ago. They will verify that the ownership is for the bike that you've got, and send you on your way.

5. At Canadian Customs, they will fill out a form for the RIV, and charge you a $200 fee. They will also want the bill of sale and will collect GST based on the amount of the bill of sale. They will need the month and year of manufacture of the bike. You can only pay by credit card. They will fax a form to the RIV to start the process of registering the bike in Canada.

6. When you get the bike home, call the RIV. Confirm that they have the form sent to them at the border. They will then ask you for a letter from the manufacturer stating that there are "No Recall Campaigns Open". You can get this from the US Dealer where the bike was serviced at no charge, or you can get it from BMW Canada for $500. Fax that to RIV and they will let you know within the day if it is sufficient and if the bike is cleared. They will email you a "federal inspection form". Take that to a Canadian Tire and they will do an inspection of the bike, for free. They will fax a form to the RIV or they will tell you what modifications are required to bring the bike into compliance with Transport Canada's rules. If they say the bike is fine, you are done with the importation process.

At that point you have a Canadian-legal bike, and you can go and insure it and register it with the Ontario Ministry of Transportation as you would with any other bike.
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby drunkencat129 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:49 pm

Doctorbass wrote:I wonder if anyone here know about the need of any vehicule that are imported in Canada to be listed in the RIV wich is the list of all authorized vehicule to be imported i Canada.

I am in the process of geting one from the US and i'm checking to ensure that every papers and documents will be fine when arriving at the customs when going back to Canada with the Zero.
I contacted transport Canada and the Canada customs and they pointed that the vehicule must be listed in the RIV ( Registrar of Import Vehicule)
but what i dont understand is... why i can't find the Zero in the document in the section Motorcycle
see by yourself: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/menu.htm
So how the Canada Zero Stores can have them and sell them if they are not listed in that document??

Apparently, The Zero is not in the list because they didn't register with either RIV or Transport Canada that their USA Domestic Market motorcycles meet Canadian standards (they likely do, but they didn't register it). The Canadian Domestic Market motorcycles do, which is why they are sold at Canadian dealerships.

The dream of getting a zero from teh US is becoming harder and harder... :(



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doc just order one go across boarder and dissemble it and say its an nornal bike u got for parts then when u bring it back to canada put it back together and make a set of bolt on crank and pedles hook up a chain to rear motor and ur off to races with a street drivable ebike :P i converted a motor cycle to ebike just added crank set to it and hooked it to a 5304 laced in to a motor cycle rim im useing a suzuki k11p 80 cc motor cycle converted to cafe racer so far asked a friend that works with opp he told me as long as theres pedles and thay crank and chain and it works its considered an ebike
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby grindz145 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:18 pm

Doc, I would call Zero direct and see if they are aware of something in Canada.

What I would do is get the bike, and then register it as another bike. Especially if it's obscure most police won't know which bike it is. Then just insure both bikes. You will need a title from another bike of course.
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Doctorbass » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:06 pm

drunkencat129 wrote:
Doctorbass wrote:I wonder if anyone here know about the need of any vehicule that are imported in Canada to be listed in the RIV wich is the list of all authorized vehicule to be imported i Canada.

I am in the process of geting one from the US and i'm checking to ensure that every papers and documents will be fine when arriving at the customs when going back to Canada with the Zero.
I contacted transport Canada and the Canada customs and they pointed that the vehicule must be listed in the RIV ( Registrar of Import Vehicule)
but what i dont understand is... why i can't find the Zero in the document in the section Motorcycle
see by yourself: http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/menu.htm
So how the Canada Zero Stores can have them and sell them if they are not listed in that document??

Apparently, The Zero is not in the list because they didn't register with either RIV or Transport Canada that their USA Domestic Market motorcycles meet Canadian standards (they likely do, but they didn't register it). The Canadian Domestic Market motorcycles do, which is why they are sold at Canadian dealerships.

The dream of getting a zero from teh US is becoming harder and harder... :(



Doc



doc just order one go across boarder and dissemble it and say its an nornal bike u got for parts then when u bring it back to canada put it back together and make a set of bolt on crank and pedles hook up a chain to rear motor and ur off to races with a street drivable ebike :P i converted a motor cycle to ebike just added crank set to it and hooked it to a 5304 laced in to a motor cycle rim im useing a suzuki k11p 80 cc motor cycle converted to cafe racer so far asked a friend that works with opp he told me as long as theres pedles and thay crank and chain and it works its considered an ebike




Thanks for the trick :lol: .. but i doubt that the police qill like to see me on the highway pedaling a ebike/motorcycle :lol: :lol: :lol:

The goal is to repalce my car with that great Zero during the spring, summer and automn if possible.

I called the RVI guy few times and they said the frame is considered as a motorcycle... and if this motorcycle ( teh Zero) is not listed in their RVI list, it can't pass teh border.

I had also the idea to import it in parts and to leave the frame in the US... .. by that way i would have no fee to pay at the customs.. except the tax... because parts that are not a frame are not considered as a vehicule.

than to try to get a frame here in canada that is registred in Canada wich seem difficult... since a frame is considered as a motorcycle.... or import the original frame or to get it thru mail...

My contact is looking for a solution right now.. i hope to have good news!
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Doctorbass » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:08 pm

grindz145 wrote:Doc, I would call Zero direct and see if they are aware of something in Canada.

What I would do is get the bike, and then register it as another bike. Especially if it's obscure most police won't know which bike it is. Then just insure both bikes. You will need a title from another bike of course.



Well.. maybe.. but it seem risky too...

All i want is to get this bike in canada as legal bike and to be able to register it. I dont care if i have to pay for that too... i just want that great zero HERE and LEGAL in Quebec, Canada :mrgreen:

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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby MitchJi » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:56 pm

Hi Doc,

My ZENN was sold as:
don't know the mileage since it is not charged but it was at 2049 on 3/2/2010.

The CA DMV clerk, and her manager both told me I needed to have the mileage to register it. I told her since the pack was dead there was no way to display the mileage. She stapled all of the forms together and circled the line on the form where the current mileage is required and told me that I could register it as soon as I filled in the mileage.

When I returned with the mileage (2113 - displayed when I plugged in the built-in charger) the (different) clerk and his manager both said that I needed to go back to the seller (UC Berkeley) and get them to sign off on the mileage. I said that the reason they didn't put it on the form is because they don't know what it is! And that I had been told at that office,that all I needed to do to register the vehicle was to bring the papers back with the mileage filled in on my forms.

Then they sent me to a higher level manager who completed the registration using the original forms without the mileage! He said they could not register it using the mileage, even though I had it now because the original paper work stated "unknown mileage" they had to complete the registration that way. In other words I had all the required documentation and information the first time I came in.

My point is that I wouldn't trust what the government officials tell you, either positive or negative without supporting documentation, or maybe checking with a good attorney.
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby edcastrovalley » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:56 pm

I did a search on Zero Motorcycles and this webpage for a Zero dealer in Ontario, Canada came up:

http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/promotio ... .php?t=737
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Jay64 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:23 pm

Tell Zero to get themselves on the list. It is in their best interest to get their bike on the list and expand their market.
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Doctorbass » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:30 pm

Thanks guys for the help.

I think the problem is solved now 8)
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Timma2500 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:20 am

Give us an update Doc, did you get it into Canada and legally registered?


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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Doctorbass » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:12 am

Timma2500 wrote:Give us an update Doc, did you get it into Canada and legally registered?


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update soon! I promiss. hopefully this week or next week

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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Brentis » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:50 am

There are quite a few dealers of Zero in Canada now.
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/locator/
4 dealer in QC vs. 2 in ON. & 1 of the ON dealers is in TimBukToo
Not sure if it solves Doc' import issue though.
Just an update for you Canucks if you didnt already know.
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby Doctorbass » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:01 am

Brentis wrote:There are quite a few dealers of Zero in Canada now.
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/locator/
4 dealer in QC vs. 2 in ON. & 1 of the ON dealers is in TimBukToo
Not sure if it solves Doc' import issue though.
Just an update for you Canucks if you didnt already know.



Yeah i know that and there is one new dealer near Quebec city ( 20km from my home) :wink:

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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby techboss » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:58 am

If you're a costco member there is a savings on Zero S

http://www.costco.ca/service/Featurepag ... lang=en-CA
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby mistercrash » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:16 am

It pays to become a member of Costco, $55 for a Costco membership that gives $1000 rebate. I wonder if I can become a Costco member 14 times and have the bike for free.
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Re: Import a zero from the US to CANADA---Problem

Postby grindz145 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:30 am

Wow nice. That ZF9 is getting more and more attractive...
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