Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby gensem » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:24 pm

Whats the use? you need a motor that does not melt during usage.
A decent 25mph bike will cost around $1000.
A decent 35mph bike will cost around $2000.
A $1000 35mph bike will get you killed.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby liveforphysics » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:29 pm

That's the other part of the equation of course. I'm putting together my motor options right now. I may need to cut a bit of the frames upper and lower tubes away to make room for something about 4" larger in diameter.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby HumboldtRc » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:31 pm

What motor will that be?
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby flathill » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:32 pm

liveforphysics wrote:
biohazardman wrote:Ha, that was my guess but needs a second controller to0.




Winner!


A second size6 sevcon bolted to the other side.


Got to keep your battery nice and warm in a symmetry sandwich

You have really lost it now :D Hyperdrive :twisted:

Dual golden motors or dual zero motors? What ever happened to your Joby motor?
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby gensem » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:33 pm

two big sevcons....


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you might need a little more room for forced water cooling and stuff, but 500hp+ on a bicycle should fulfill your demands.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby Harold in CR » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:37 pm

You going to frock that thing. ???????
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby Nuts&Volts » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:40 pm

flathill wrote:
liveforphysics wrote:
biohazardman wrote:Ha, that was my guess but needs a second controller to0.




Winner!


A second size6 sevcon bolted to the other side.


Got to keep your battery nice and warm in a symmetry sandwich

You have really lost it now :D Hyperdrive :twisted:

Dual golden motors or dual zero motors? What ever happened to your Joby motor?


I think the Joby motor running as a 6-phase motor with the Sevcon's in master and slave running slightly different timing...
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby Ypedal » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:46 pm

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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby GITech » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:47 pm

liveforphysics wrote:
GITech wrote:Symmetry!



Bingo.

What does that require?


:shock: What do I win!?! :mrgreen:

Edit: Oh, VELOCITY! :twisted:
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby liveforphysics » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:54 pm

I haven't decided on motor yet.

There are lots of really cool motors out there these days. Mission has some awesome stuff. Remy motor has some amazing stuff. YASA motor has some awesome stuff. Formula1 KERS motors are pretty awesome (though the electric freq would be to high and the gearing would suck).

Not 100% sure what to do for the motor, but there are lots of cool options out there.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby GITech » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:54 pm

Nuts&Volts wrote:
liveforphysics wrote:
biohazardman wrote:Ha, that was my guess but needs a second controller to0.




Winner!


A second size6 sevcon bolted to the other side.


Got to keep your battery nice and warm in a symmetry sandwich

You have really lost it now :D Hyperdrive :twisted:

Dual golden motors or dual zero motors? What ever happened to your Joby motor?

I think the Joby motor running as a 6-phase motor with the Sevcon's in master and slave running slightly different timing...


Oh, I'm gonna look this up just for fun! Is this similar to what the White Zombie dragster runs?

What? Too many quotes! That's lame... :roll:
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby Alan B » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:24 pm

That's what you need, Luke. A "cool" motor option. :)
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby neptronix » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:34 pm

Just get it over with and stick one of those netgain motors on it.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby mud2005 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:43 pm

Future's all yers ya lousy bicycle!
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby bigmoose » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:45 pm

Luke experimenting in third grade:
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Secret glimpse of Luke's custom rotor being balanced:
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Guess he won't be using Hookworms anymore... :twisted:
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby biohazardman » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:03 pm

That's great Bigmoose! I kind of thought that's how it was. Good that you got the pics. :wink:
Just pretend that everything is OK maybe no one will notice.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby biohazardman » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:14 pm

Luke, this is not the average man's bike! Here I sit tinkering with my lowly 3220 and thinking what an upgrade it will be from my BMC V2s. While you build an upgrade that the average man SHOULD look at with terror in their eyes. :shock: Can't wait to see it in action. Yesss, hyper drive as mentioned in post above along with the infamous reality drive oscillator or just the inverter either one will werq.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby darkone040 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:16 am

so your going to upgrade to a motorcycle frame yeah??
i think the brakes, suspension, strength of frame/wheels/tyres, steering control, aerodynamics of the fairings and seating position
all that surely would make up for the extra weight of having a motorcycle frame
less weight means more fast
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby mrzed » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:30 am

darkone040 wrote:so your going to upgrade to a motorcycle frame yeah??
i think the brakes, suspension, strength of frame/wheels/tyres, steering control, aerodynamics of the fairings and seating position
all that surely would make up for the extra weight of having a motorcycle frame


I doubt that. I'm guessing the point is largely to kick the snot in power/weight ratio. Plus to have usable pedals.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby liveforphysics » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:00 am

mrzed wrote:
darkone040 wrote:so your going to upgrade to a motorcycle frame yeah??
i think the brakes, suspension, strength of frame/wheels/tyres, steering control, aerodynamics of the fairings and seating position
all that surely would make up for the extra weight of having a motorcycle frame


I doubt that. I'm guessing the point is largely to kick the snot in power/weight ratio. Plus to have usable pedals.



Bingo. 100hp in a motorcycle will never knock anyone's shoes off. 100hp in a bicycle will be like riding the essense of terror.
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby Dauntless » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:59 am

I thought what was missing was straightness. That might make a great secondary filter to your principle concept, especially since you probably should have said "Similitude."

liveforphysics wrote: 100hp in a bicycle will be like riding the essense of terror.


TIGER, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or aiyeee
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder and what art
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand and what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? What dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears,
And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did He smile His work to see?
Did He who made the lamb make thee?

Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or aiyeee
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

The Tiger (From 'Songs of Innocence and Experience)
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby E-racer » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:02 am

I have been eyeing the yasa and remy motors for my third (future) build. How much do these motors run price wise?
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby Arlo1 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:09 am

liveforphysics wrote:I haven't decided on motor yet.

There are lots of really cool motors out there these days. Mission has some awesome stuff. Remy motor has some amazing stuff. YASA motor has some awesome stuff. Formula1 KERS motors are pretty awesome (though the electric freq would be to high and the gearing would suck).

Not 100% sure what to do for the motor, but there are lots of cool options out there.

Are you sticking with brushless? Or maybe a AC motor??? AC50?
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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby Doctorbass » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:24 am

Luke I like the pics thatBigmoose suggested.. :twisted: :twisted: :mrgreen:

Now what about the poor wheel spokes that will just break once you will touch to the throttle :lol:

Will you keep the same wheel?

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Re: Can you spot what's missing on my bike?

Postby j3tch1u » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:43 am

ran into larry rinehart a few hours ago at taipei ev show. they were showcasing their beautiful new pm150dx. word is remy is planning to offer a smaller stack HVH-70 (which may appear at the isles of man). disclaimer: i am not saying that you should put that motor on your bike :P


liveforphysics wrote:I haven't decided on motor yet.

There are lots of really cool motors out there these days. Mission has some awesome stuff. Remy motor has some amazing stuff. YASA motor has some awesome stuff. Formula1 KERS motors are pretty awesome (though the electric freq would be to high and the gearing would suck).

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