5403/5404 US/CANADA deadline! order is made!!!

[ryan]

Just heard from Max. My motor should be delivered Thursday! Maybe I'll get a weekend with it after all!

[Evoforce]

Received my motors today, wooo hooo! What nice looking beasts. I did find metal shavings in the rim holes and sharp edges around them so watch for that otherwise a flat will occur. Can't wait to have the time to fit these to their respective projects. The spokes seem a little pretzeled around on my 26" rim but maybe thats the only way they will work. Anyway...Thanks to those that made this group buy all work out for these awesome motors!

[Drunkskunk]

Got my Motor today!

Well, it was here on the 2nd, but the Postoffice didn't leave a notice. So its been waiting for me for a week.

Damn this is a Sexy beast.

[wojtek]

has anyone made this 54xx working with Lyen controller? if so, can you confirm the colouring? thanks!!!

Lyen Controller to Crystalyte motor wire color lining:

Controller: Motor:
HALL:
Yellow Yellow
Green Blue
Blue Green

PHASE:
Yellow Blue
Green Green
Blue Yellow

[ZOMGVTEK]

has anyone made this 54xx working with Lyen controller? if so, can you confirm the colouring? thanks!!!

That's what I used, and it worked. I only have a few dozen rotations on the motor, but it appears to be correct.

...I even posted it earlier viewtopic.php?f=31&t=31332&start=240#p559736

[damcard]

Picked up my motor from the post office today. Wow, it is a beast! May have to counter the weight by using my 5304 on the front. Thanks a lot for all the work everyone. Awesome group buy. Now if I can just get my swingarms/motor/controller from Farfle. -Damcard

[Deutch420]

has anyone made this 54xx working with Lyen controller? if so, can you confirm the colouring? thanks!!!

That's what I used, and it worked. I only have a few dozen rotations on the motor, but it appears to be correct.

...I even posted it earlier http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/vi ... 40#p559736

Your right. 4 miles on my 5403, all WOT with that color combo on a lyen controller.

[Andje]

Got my 5400's today. Very happy. I was having trouble getting the side cover off, but then i knocked it over on its side and the slight shock broke the seal and the covers came off like butter as i am used to with the 5304. It has that new varnish smell; intoxicating. Can't wait to put some color into those virgin windings

Thanks for all the effort guys.

[Deutch420]

Quick update. Both sides of my axels are stripped on ONLY the top axel threads. The bottom threads are fine. Reused the hardware on my 5304 and it works fine. This means my axle material is softer than my axel nuts.
I seriously hope this isn't the case for everyone. I will never, ever buy anything from Crystalyte again.
Looks like I'm back to my good ol' 5304 until I can get pinching dropouts or a new axel. Whopping 4 miles and 2 installs on the hub, already needs new axel. Lmao
Users beware!

[ZOMGVTEK]

How much force did it take to trash the threads? I would assume you're not being too rough on it, since the GM and 53xx are perfectly fine at similar torques?

Is anyone else running one of these yet? I'll just run some bolts through my dropouts and clamp the axle hardcore.

EDIT: Just noticed both you and max claim the same issue. Probably means they're all going to be the same deal...

[Deutch420]

How much force did it take to trash the threads? I would assume you're not being too rough on it, since the GM and 53xx are perfectly fine at similar torques?

Is anyone else running one of these yet? I'll just run some bolts through my dropouts and clamp the axle hardcore.

EDIT: Just noticed both you and max claim the same issue. Probably means they're all going to be the same deal...

It didn't take much force at all. 1 finger on the wrench. Normally I snug them down with all my might. GM and 5304 threads are perfect after 50 installs with this method. 5403 stripped before I could get it tight enough to feel safe riding ( this was on my 2nd install)


Apparently Wojtek had the same problem. The threads on only the top of the axle peeled right off for him too. Looks like its going to be a headach for all...

unfortunately it is for me too

only on one side upper thread - indeed goes like onion!

[Evoforce]

I don't see anything in max's postings that about his axle stripping. Could someone please reference this?

[Evoforce]

I had the axles sticking out of the shipping boxes when they arrived at my home. Could it be possible yours were damaged in shipping?

[flathill]

I just read this on ebikes.ca:

Axle Threads Poorly Machined, Stripped

We always tell people to really do the axle nuts up as tight as possible to prevent axle spinout. However, Crystalyte turns the threads on a lathe rather than with a die and sometimes the tolerances are off. The nuts can be hard to spin on, or they can be so loose that the threads strip when the nut is tightened.

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Threading on a lathe can give better results...if u know what you are doing

[Deutch420]

I had the axles sticking out of the shipping boxes when they arrived at my home. Could it be possible yours were damaged in shipping?

Anything is possible. However, i doubt that. My box was perfectly intact. The threads appeared perfect upon arrival and initial install.
What is odd to me is that only the threads on the top of the axel are getting ruined. (having your phase wires exit out the bottom of your dropout should help determine the "top" and "bottom" im talking about). I've turned my share of bolts in my lifetime. Ive never seen any situation (other that this) where only 1/2 the threads on the same bolt peel off. And for this exact scenario to happen to both me AND wojtek...?

I just read this on ebikes.ca:

Axle Threads Poorly Machined, Stripped

We always tell people to really do the axle nuts up as tight as possible to prevent axle spinout. However, Crystalyte turns the threads on a lathe rather than with a die and sometimes the tolerances are off. The nuts can be hard to spin on, or they can be so loose that the threads strip when the nut is tightened.

Sounds like exactly what happened to me. I wasnt even close to being snug when it just kept spinning without moving. I started with my vulgor expletives and removed the hub (knowing it was useless without repair) and re-installed the 5304. Used the SAME hardware (however dumb it was) on the 5304 and it worked fine. So that rules out the nut being the cause of damage to the axle. And even if the nut was bad, the axle should ruin the nut, NOT the nut ruins the axle!!

[flathill]

someone needs to measure the major diameter of the axle and the minor diameter of the nut

[Evoforce]

I Personally don't believe that there should be grease on the axles out where the nuts need to be torqued. You wouldn't do that with automobile lug. These are also the nylon lock styles nuts that may not tolerate grease. I also have made a discovery about my 26 inch rim. It is laced incorrectly. Everyone should also check for that problem. No wonder they look so pretzeled.

[Deutch420]

I Personally don't believe that there should be grease on the axles out where the nuts need to be torqued. You wouldn't do that with automobile lug. These are also the nylon lock styles nuts that may not tolerate grease. I also have made a discovery about my 26 inch rim. It is laced incorrectly. Everyone should also check for that problem. No wonder they look so pretzeled.

What's wrong with the lace? Other than every spoke being a pretzle.

[wojtek]

and other than they are laced the way that there is no place for a pump to get on the valve...

[Evoforce]

The spokes that are threaded from inside and then wrap to outside of the cast then tuck back behind the spokes that are laced towards the inside of the cast hub. It applies side force to each pair of spokes causing them to basically spaghetti around each other. My rim does not experience the trouble of not being able get the pump on the valve.

[auraslip]

I guess now is the time to suggest that ya'll should be using clamping drop outs.

[Hyena]

I guess now is the time to suggest that ya'll should be using clamping drop outs.

I hope that's what your avatar is all about and not some campaign promoting castration!

[wojtek]

allergy against nuts?

[Evoforce]

That's pretty funny Hyena!

[wojtek]

about my faulty axle, there was a nut partly screwed in when i opened the box - what may have happened in my case is that someone at the factory placed the nut unevenly in the axle and when it didnt want to go, they just used forced to screw in and damage the thread....