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Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby Kingfish » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:25 pm

MSNBC Today - Road trip! Electric vehicle-aficionados charged up to drive cross-country

Goal: NYC to LA -> about 3000 miles in 10 to 12 Days, using 240V charging stations.

“We love road trips and this is an excuse to have a different kind of trip,” said Eric Adams, a senior editor at the magazine and a member of the Challenge team. To accomplish the feat, the trip will utilize a 2012 Ford Focus Electric, require an estimated 40 to 55 recharging stops and rely on crowdsourcing and the kindness of others to ensure a dead battery doesn’t doom the effort.

“It’ll be a ‘speed’ record in name only,” said Adams, who expects the team to reach the Santa Monica Pier in 10 to 12 days. Along the way, the team expects to promote various adventures — fitness challenges, environmental missions, etc. — during each 2- to 4-hour charging session.

Ack! Not the way I would do it, and I think I could beat these guys handily. Although I applaud the idea that they’re using 240V, it really limits where they can charge… :(

“Any business that has a welding station uses 240V,” said Adams. “We may call Firestone stores and see if we can roll up and plug in for a couple of hours.”

Or anyone having an electric dryer! :)

Anyways, I thought I’d post this because I have a predilection for Road Trips. :wink:
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby dnmun » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:38 pm

any house or shed has 240V. they can charge here and use up to 12kW of power at 240V. my charging spot is on a 50A breaker.

but of course as KF knows, there is no beer here!!! hehe

poor guy, something he never expected. no beer, after a long day on the bike too. cheers!
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby Toshi » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:01 am

dnmun wrote:any house or shed has 240V. they can charge here and use up to 12kW of power at 240V. my charging spot is on a 50A breaker.

but of course as KF knows, there is no beer here!!! hehe

poor guy, something he never expected. no beer, after a long day on the bike too. cheers!


They'd be limited by the onboard charger power, not by your breaker. The Focus Electric has a higher power charger than most (6.6 kW, same as the 2013 Leaf but twice that of the 2012-before leaf and all other contenders, iirc), at least.
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby Xanda2260 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:55 pm

It never occured to me how limiting the US 110v system is. Do you guys have sockets rated at 13amps like ours?
If so, you're effectivley limited to a meager 1400w where as in the uk our sockets can pump 3000w (more than my pack can take)
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby SamTexas » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:12 pm

MSNBC Today - Road trip! Electric vehicle-aficionados charged up to drive cross-country

Goal: NYC to LA -> about 3000 miles in 10 to 12 Days, using 240V charging stations.

Yawn...

Everyday there are tens of people who started an "around the world" or "around a continent" or "cross-country" trip on a regular bicycle. Why in the world is this trivial, easy, walk-in-a-park trip by an expensive electric car even mentioned?

Organized by Men’s Health magazine, the 2012 Electric Car Challenge (ECC) proposes to set a new record by making the roughly 3,000-mile trip without stopping at a single gas station.

??!! What a proposal! Pump in enough $$ and the task can even be accomplished by a 10 year old kid, assuming of course that he/she is allowed to drive.

Double yawn. But it's expected: Junk article, garbage proposal from a trailer trash magazine. No surprise.
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:45 pm

Xanda2260 wrote:It never occured to me how limiting the US 110v system is. Do you guys have sockets rated at 13amps like ours?
If so, you're effectivley limited to a meager 1400w where as in the uk our sockets can pump 3000w (more than my pack can take)


It's terrible. Most outlets have 15A breakers on them, sometimes 20A.

Generally, the things I plug in take 1500W or more. If more than one thing is plugged into the same circuit, the breaker trips. It would be nice if every outlet was double gang, one 20A 120V and one 20A 240V. Independent breakers for every outlet in the house, and at least 1 3 phase 50A plug in every room. The garage needs at least 100A service.

If I turn the light on in the garage while my bike is charging, the breaker trips after a few minutes. Charging needs to be staggered between me and my brothers bike.
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby Xanda2260 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:56 am

Good god, that's pants! The ring main here has a 30A breaker (7kw ish at 240v), the sockets are only rated at 13 though. My welder uses a high current plug+ socket cos it can pull 7kw. Never have anything trip unless there's an issue. No wonder electric cars are doing well over there, they take an age to charge here!

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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby dogman » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:05 am

3 wire jumper cables, and any standard US breaker box, and you can have 220v. Many houses have a dryer plug or a stove plug.

But even simpler, they just need to make it from one car repair place to another, since nearly any garage has a 220 plug for a large air compressor.

Also, there are higher amp plugs at all RV camps. Generally not further than the range of a 100 mile EV.

Saw a top gear episode yesterday where they waited till they were down to 10 miles of range left, to start planning where to charge. Typical TG stupidity, but about as smart as the average driver would be. :D
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby REdiculous » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:52 am

They only need to maintain a 10.5mph average and they'll make it.

An extremely fit biker could probably beat them. :lol:
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby SamTexas » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:22 am

Install a light 10lb geared hub, a light 20lb 2Kwh battery (laptop cells of course) on a chromoly road/touring bike and put a professional long range cyclist on it. He can then maintain an average speed of 25mph for 10 riding hours/day with a 2 hour lunch break to recharge himself and the battery. Job accomplished in 12 easy days.
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Re: Road trip! EV charged up to drive cross-country

Postby Kingfish » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:02 pm

This is an easy problem to solve:
RV Parks. They are littered across the continent – and 99% have 120 VAC at 30 A. The few I canvased (about 40%) had 50-Amp service. Therefore the challenge becomes finding an RV slot within the range of the vehicle:

I am not interested in the daily hunt for a welding shop or a tire center lurking for a line to lunch on for a pitty poverty-charge. It reminds me of spending far too much time looking for a bag of weed when I could be playing. I had enough of that last summer; it made me feel pretty bad to go over and ask for that. On the return leg of my journey I slowed down to reduce the drag and was able to get to where I needed to be without stopping. Do the math: Every hour sitting on yer bum charging is wasted trying to make up that time going fast! Better to slow down, put more effort on the legs which are cheap to feed and like the work, and make time peaceful easy. Anyway – that’s good enough for biking.

But what if yer a car? What if yer a lot of cars? Hospitality has its’ limits. You come into a new town; they’ve never seen an ebike – so asking for a charge is both odd and yet novel. Next year when 5 guys come through it becomes an annoyance. We need a different more reliable solution rather than hunting down for a place to prey and latch on like a vampire leeching off some other life.

RV Parks can offer services right away and patch us whilst we wait for the Charging Stations to sprout root. And who knows, maybe by this activity we spawn the fruition of a new type of holiday travel ...and seed 240V service :wink:

So let’s back up and see how far we can go which what is available: 120V * 30 A = 3.6 kW per hour; let’s derate by 20%; 2.88 kW/h. Derated 50-Amp service could offer 120 * 50 * 0.8 = 4.8 kW/h.

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Service   8 hours       10 hours
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30 A      23.04 kW      28.8 kW
50 A      38.4  kW      48.0 kW

Obviously if we had access to 240V life could be awesome, and even though that infrastructure doesn’t exist for cross-country, this is the next best bet. Now that we’ve boxed in the upper limit, a review of our efficiency is required. I wouldn’t want my EV to suck so badly that I am forced to spend the night after a 3-hour cruise. The arguments for going slower would certainly have merit in range extension. Might also change the routes we take... and when we take them.

I wouldn’t encourage driving north on California Hwy 1 in August at Noon! :shock: :lol:

Anyways… I see the problem at both ends, and for the moment (being these next couple of years) my cross-country plans are hemmed in by these unequivocal facts. We can make trips like this accessible to the general public in this way without resorting to super-athletes. We need to think like Henry Ford: Creative production, affordable, commonly available to all, and easy to use.

RV Parks are the first step towards accessing the untapped resource that can feed our electric revolutions.

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