SlyCayer wrote:Price is in USD but coming to Canada, Ontario. that is for 1 7S3P pack, so keep in mind that shipping goes down per "cell" more you purchase.
SlyCayer wrote:deVries wrote:I'm *guessing* it is higher because of higher Customs & Import Duties the shipper has to pay to clear Customs in Canada.
Correction, the receiver pays the brokerage and any involved fees, he told me that.
deVries wrote:Now I'm confused.
On 4/26/2012 9:26 PM, ziying yang wrote:
> Hello Cayer,
> OK, i will send u 100% packs, pls tell me your address and phone number, then we can ship to u.
> -------------------------- Original Mail --------------------------
> Sent Date: April 27, 2012 8:48 Friday
> From: Sylvain Cayer <email@example.com>
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> Recipients: ziying yang <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Subject: Re: ,A123 Prismatic module
> Is there a reason why I paid $50 more then some of my friends on the modules? Is there a reason why I paid 100$ more then if one my friends gets it from you guys and gets it shipped in the U.S?
> I am feeling a little disgusted by that.
> Thank you,
> Sylvain Cayer
SlyCayer wrote:> OK, i will send u 100% packs, pls tell me your address and phone number, then we can ship to u.
mistercrash wrote:I don't really get that, how come a Canadian citizen has to pay $334.00 for a 7S3P module and a US citizen only pays $283.00 ... The price should be the same. ... I might email Xin Wang about that.
SlyCayer wrote:Is there a reason why I paid $50 more then some of my friends on the modules? Is there a reason why I paid 100$ more then if one my friends gets it from you guys and gets it shipped in the U.S?
it's so funny, bunch of idiots are scamming people with different prices and then...
so who the hell am I emailing with? Cherry? Andy? or Ziying?
I would NEVER purchase from them as they are very unorganized and look like scammers with their prices.
oatnet wrote:No, what is funny here is idiots who expect vendors in China to behave like vendors in the USA. When you deal with a Chinese vendor, there is NO FIXED PRICE LIKE THE USA, IT IS A NEGOTIATION. That is how business is done in China, and I am sure they think it is hilarious we expect a fixed price. Further, if we were Chinese in China, we would probably pay USD 75 for a 7s3p, but we start with the Rich American price. The best negotating technique is to KNOW what the market value is, tell them what you want and how much you want to pay, and NOT extort them for warrantees and promises that nobody will be around to service anyhow.
zEEz wrote:Usually they like negotiation on the price, this is true, but there is a caveat: if you propose something too low -and here it is anyone guess- they will put you in the -BADASS BUYER GROUP- and I can assure you that even if maybe you will receive something at all from them, it will be for sure broken, damaged, underperforming and so on ...
oatnet wrote:A quicker route to get the S.R.A. label is to hassle them on specs, demand a warrantee, or otherwise conduct business in a non-Chinese fashion. Frankly, I can't out-negotiate most Chinese vendors - so I always start out knowing the market, knowing what the price should be, then I ask for that price and am ready to walk away if I don't get it.
Harold in CR wrote:Price quote I just received is, $426.60 for the 7S3P module shipped to Vero Beach, Fl.
oatnet wrote:mistercrash wrote:so who the hell am I emailing with? Cherry? Andy? or Ziying?
Who knows, who cares, what does it matter? This is SOP for dealing with Chinese Vendors, it is all smoke and mirrors, the standard picture of a vendor's "Factory" is always some other building, and I suspect that the standard picture of a cute female is typically a front that a male salesman uses to disarm the customer.
oatnet wrote:I would NEVER purchase from them as they are very unorganized and look like scammers with their prices.
Interesting words from the guy who is still selling a123 prisimatics for $55. I thought $55 was crazy when everyone was buying them for $35, then $25, and now >$18. http://www.jccayer.com/category.php?catbrand=A123&promo=on&
Ypedal wrote:Many places use open inbox for email, anyone can reply who has access to the account.
HumboldtRc wrote:Anyone else that ordered, get their tracking number yet?
I got my tracking # and it has cleared customs in San Francisco. The lady from DHL that I talked to, said I would get the shipment by Wednesday next week.
HumboldtRc wrote:I got my tracking # and it has cleared customs in San Francisco. The lady from DHL that I talked to, said I would get the shipment by Wednesday next week.
bigmoose wrote:John's cells arrived today! All in superb shape IMHO. John did a great job packaging and shipping them. I can only imagine the time it took. I know how long it took me to just unwrap, measure and photograph, rewrap and store them.
All cells measured either 3.292 or 3.293 Volts on a well calibrated DVM. No tearing or crushing of the foil packets. One thing that I didn't expect was the foils on the long edges were shaped and curled into a "C" along the long edge. They were not flat like the cells I had seen photos of before. The white plastic packaging fit the cells once curled into the "C" shape, so it appears deliberate and helps in shipping I believe. The part of the cell that takes the most "hurt" is the area between the tabs where the shaped shipping liner contacts the foil.
Center stampings were either A0, A1 or A2
First line on all was APP72161227 followed by blank, P1, P2 or P3. This varying mark did not correlate with A0, A1 or A2 markings.
What appears to be serial numbers or date codes varied:
SH(A,B,C,or D)11(A,B,D, E,F )xxxxxxx followed by blank or P1 P2 or P3
All said on the last line
Two things I noticed on two cells. After unwrapping and feeling the cells you hand gets a feeling for what is the norm, sort of like feeling currency. Let me show you one cell that had a texture anomaly. I wonder if this is the "shift" or misalignment that A123 talks about? It is on the cell that I labeled "3" a P1 cell SHA11E0400339 There was a slight ridge down the middle of the cell. About 5/8 inch wide and raised on the front and back by say 0.012 inches. The "thing" under the foil seemed to have sharp edges. Pix below are the cell, my finger points to the ridge on the front and the back.
Here I marked where it feels like there is an extra "tape" inside the foil package. It is both front and rear, and just about right down the middle.
EDIT: I have been thinking about this ridge. If I were to package this cell I would use my 0.010 in thick fishpaper and make it two layers thick. I would remove the second layer in the center, say a 1 inch wide piece to take the pressure off of that ridge. I could very easily see how if this cell was stacked with the others and compressed, all the pressure would be on that ridge. If I basically make a spacer and put the pressure on the sides of the cell and not on the ridge, I might be OK.
Then towards the bottom of the stack my cell "17" that caught my eye because it was the only one with no "P" number after the APP72161227 line. Then I looked closer and all the writing looked squished together and was blacker than all the other cells. The 17 other cells were very consistent in marking. Number 17 had the lines closer together and the line height was less for the printing that is on th body of the cell. I would say shrunk about 15% or so. However the line of printing that goes across the tabs looks identical on all cells.
Cell 18 for comparison. This was the norm.
I don't know really what to make of my observations. I would say 16 of the cells appear identical. One had the fold in the center, but it's markings were like the others. One cell looked and felt fine, but the markings were shrunk 15% and there was no P number on the first line.
The Mighty Volt wrote:Some very good advice in here, but I have one question: how do I know what the market price is to begin with?
Mavizen says the market price is X. Some unknown Chinese person on Alibaba says it is Y. Then somebody here says it is Z.