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Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby NeilP » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:56 am

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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby Lebowski » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:59 am

and I thought I had a good find this weekend :(, found a coin from 1897 in my wallet
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby rojitor » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:27 am

Jersey won't be cashing in though - by law, the treasure belongs to the Queen.

I guess your friend can get some % at least.
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby dogman » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:52 am

Smart Queen having that law. Still, must be fun for you mate. Hopefully some kind of reward for him.
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby John in CR » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:35 am

Lucky but stupid. Since they opened their mouth, it belongs to the Queen.
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby thewmatusmoloki » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:58 am

Lebowski wrote:and I thought I had a good find this weekend , found a coin from 1897 in my wallet
You might need to open your wallet a bit more often ... :D
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby Lebowski » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:02 am

thewmatusmoloki wrote:
Lebowski wrote:and I thought I had a good find this weekend , found a coin from 1897 in my wallet
You might need to open your wallet a bit more often ... :D


I'm Dutch, we invented 'cheap' :mrgreen:

but can you imagine, this (silver) coin saw the first motorcars and motorbikes, then
WW1 started, depression, WW2 etc etc. It is a 10 cent coin which nowadays
buys nothing, but back then must have had much more value...
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Postby The fingers » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:15 am

I found some steel "war pennies" at the beach once.
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Postby Tench » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:59 am

Thats it then, holiday plan, convert a detector to run a 24s lipo pack for greater power and go to Jersey! :D
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby Harold in CR » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:14 pm

Modern treasure is found better if you hunt IN the water. Coins Jewelry watches, lots of stuff lost by swimmers-tourists.

The Manufacturing business My Son and I started, was building the sand scoops needed to recover the "Targets" the detector sounded off over. There was nothing decent for water hunting, so, we developed several types and lengths of handles, especially using Stainless Steel. We were constantly dreaming up new ideas, including a "travel Scoop" that broke down into 2 pieces to fit right inside the luggage. SS did not stain the clothes, so, it was an instant hit.

We did contract work with Mel Fisher, the world famous Treasure Hunter. We found some Spanish Booty, from sunken ships off the east coast of Florida and in the Bahamas. Loved that kinda work. I could tell stories of how the Politicos (Queen included) has hoarded (Robbed) the finders of all that treasure in Europe and the USA.

Nice find though. .

That's how I got turned on to sunken log recovery in Florida.
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby NeilP » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:35 pm

Jersey beaches are a bit different from the beaches in other parts of the world. There is never any need to detect in the water, we just wait for the tide to go down below the area where people swim. Then you have a tidal rise and fall of up to 40 ft, and in places the tide goes out over a mile, there is no need to detect in the water.

Even if they had been dishonest and tried to keep this quiet, it would have been un likely that they would have been able to recover it all by them selves, it was just too deep and too close to the road/dog walkers etc, If you dig a hole over 4 foot deep and about 4 ft square nt h surface someone..like the land owner, is going to notice when they come to inspect their crops.
Then you would have the difficulty of selling this many coins that are that old without attracting attention. Not as if you are trying to sell 20 or 30..they found probably greater than 30,000 coins.
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby NeilP » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:41 pm

Mongoose frame, Fox F100 forks,26x2.3 tyres
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To illustrate the vain conceit that the universe must be somehow pre-ordained for us, because we are so well-suited to live in it, he mimed a wonderfully funny imitation of a puddle of water, fitting itself snugly into a depression in the ground, the depression uncannily being exactly the same shape as the puddle."
-- Richard Dawkins, in "Lament for Douglas" (14 May 2001)
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby number1cruncher » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:52 pm

A queen has to pay for her Diamond Jubilee somehow. Those things are not cheap.
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby dogman » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:31 pm

Money in the TV show about it, if nothing else. 8) Nothing compared to the find itself though. Man that is HUGE!
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby Dauntless » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:58 pm

One of the stories says that an "Inquest" will determine ownership. Maybe they can at least look forward to a reward.

Might this resolve debt issues in England?
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby Harold in CR » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:30 pm

Having been in the "Treasure Game" for several years, I believe that England does have some sort of compensation program. Others were allowed to keep a small percentage of the find, but, not enough to reduce the "supposed" value of the bounty.

Any land finds, unless on forbidden to hunt areas, are deemed the property of the finder, in MOST states, in the USA. ALL National battlefield items from Civil War, Little Big Horn, etc. are off limits. Old Fort sites are up to discretion of the land owner to give permission to hunt.

The biggest thing will be to do restoration of the coins using reverse electrolysis. The coins are coated with corrosion, as oxides form over the years. The reverse electrolysis changes those oxides back to hard metal, for the most part. It will stabilize the coins so further deterioration is not a problem.

When we did the shipwreck artifacts, we made up small racks with SS wires and clips, to suspend the iron or silver items. Gold and Bronze-brass does not need this, just a good gentle cleaning will do.

When Treasure from shipwrecks is found, in Florida, the State gets first choice of 20% of the total estimated value as salvage. Any Particularly fine or unusual item, USUALLY goes to the state, unless a significant amount of booty was found. Then, it is possible to negotiate with the State.

When we contracted with Mel Fisher, the State got 20%, Mels company and us split the balance 50-50. They would do the restoration in their labs, catalog the items, and once a year there would be a settling up.

Usually, extra fine items would disappear or just not be able to be located, so, a pittance was offered instead.

We never "found" anything of great value, although some salvors did. We found coins pieces of gold washed silver statues, cannons, and the like.

My youngest daughter worked first as a lab assistant, then became Mels Technical artist, doing drawings of every elaborate item brought up from wrecks, then eventually became Lab Curator. Internal BS caused her to quit, so, others got to brown-nose Mels daughter.

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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby NeilP » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:21 pm

It might increase sales of metal detectors though
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby Hillhater » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:01 pm

Big enough story to hit the prime time TV news down here too ! :wink:
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Re: Look what my mate just found..lucky bastard

Postby NeilP » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:22 am

Hell, that is great. I'll tell him
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