FYI China restricts rare earth element exports

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China cut its export quotas for rare earth by 72 percent for the second half of this year... China controls 97 percent of production of the materials, known as rare earth elements, giving it “market power” over the U.S... “China’s policy to restrict its rare earths mining and exports is out of concern for the environment and to minimize pollution,”... Rare earths are a group of 17 chemically similar metallic elements, including lanthanum, cerium, neodymium and europium. The U.S. was self-sufficient in the materials until the mid- 1980s, when lower labor and regulatory costs helped China’s climb to dominance, the U.S. Geological Survey said in a report.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-29/china-defends-control-of-rare-earth-exports-as-move-to-protect-environment.html

China controls 97% of the world's production of critical elements necessary for an all electric future... This is going to get interesting in the years ahead... :shock:
 
So when is the US launching the invasion of china :)
-Mike
 
Like I said in a post long ago, all of us will still make someone else rich. If not a oil emirate country, then a chinese communist country. Can't we figure out what to do to make our own stuff here in the states?
 
Shit can the damn Politicians and drop all the stupid laws that work AGAINST production ??
 
Hi,
The U.S. was self-sufficient in the materials until the mid- 1980s, when lower labor and regulatory costs helped China’s climb to dominance, the U.S. Geological Survey said in a report.

bigmoose said:
China controls 97% of the world's production of critical elements necessary for an all electric future... This is going to get interesting in the years ahead... :shock:

One conclusion might be that with the Chinese restrictions on export domestic production will become economically feasible. If we have similar export limits we might be able to create jobs manufacturing components.
 
They control 97% of production (Seemingly due to their low labor costs), but how much of the supply do they control? If it's not nearly as much, then boohoo if people will pay more for the material because it has to be made locally. :roll: (Yes, it's not economically optimal, but it's doesn't seem like something to cry about just because America's labor prices are higher. Which, btw, I don't think minimum wage laws should exist in the US. A price floor on labor just reduces labor demand, causing less jobs and increased costs for "basic stuff" for all.)
 
This is more an item of material resources rather than labor. China has the bulk of the world's recoverable rare earth ores (basing that on a report I read two years ago, I'm trying to find it again). Very important for our permanent magnet-based DC motors. This is one of the reasons to support induction motors (iron, copper) for any future mass-produced EVs.
 
JCG said:
This is more an item of material resources rather than labor. China has the bulk of the world's recoverable rare earth ores (basing that on a report I read two years ago, I'm trying to find it again). Very important for our permanent magnet-based DC motors. This is one of the reasons to support induction motors (iron, copper) for any future mass-produced EVs.

How are induction motors better? (Besides resource limitations are not as much of a concern)

Are they cheaper? Higher power density? Are they practical in "small" applications?
 
swbluto said:
How are induction motors better? (Besides resource limitations are not as much of a concern)

Are they cheaper? Higher power density? Are they practical in "small" applications?

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) each type has its own advantages. PM motors have really good power density and high starting torque vs. induction motors, since the induction electromagnets add weight and suck up current. So PM is better for many small apps. The induction motors are more flexible under some circumstances since you can vary the field by adjusting electromagnet current, and the motor can take more thermal abuse (no Curie temperature to pass and destroy a permanent magnet).

For vehicles, it looks like liquid-cooled, polyphase induction motors are a good choice for cars, but as the power levels and space allowed become smaller (scooters, ebikes) the induction motors don't get a whole lot lighter. There's a balance point in there somewhere.
 
Not quite what I was looking for, but found this:

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China has dominant reserves, but Russia, the US, and Austrialia are sitting on quite a pile too. This IAGS-US Army report is a great read. There is apparently quite a story to those zeros you see by the US and Australia.
 
From March:

"Recent USGS figures estimate that the U.S. holds rare earth ore reserves of up to 13 million metric tons. By contrast, the entire world produced just 124,000 metric tons in 2009 — but it would take both time and money for the U.S. to become self-sufficient in producing rare earths....

"The upfront costs seem daunting. Hedrick estimated that opening just one mine and building a new separation plant might cost anywhere from $500 million to $1 billion and would require a minimum of eight years."

http://www.livescience.com/technology/rare-earths-precious-metal-shortage-100308.html
 
Recently, China has been feeling the global economic pinch. They apparently have decided that...rather than sending boatloads of neodymium feedstocks to Japan (or other nations) to be made into profitable magnets for compact motors, they want to do the manufacturing too.

Trade restrictions usually end up in higher prices, but I'm guessing there should be no shortage of Neo magnets. They will just be made in China.
 
i think the real reason is to force the refining part of the ore processing to be done closer to the source in mongolia in order to bolster the economy inland without the guvment having to provide economic incentives to the industry. imho

>>> “China’s policy to restrict its rare earths mining and exports is out of concern for the environment and to minimize pollution,” Liu Aisheng, director of the Chinese Society of Rare Earths, said in an interview with Bloomberg News in June. “It also encourages the domestic industry to effectively use its own resources and discourages exports of raw materials, such as ore and mixed ore, without much processing.”<<<
 
Lessss said:
I always love it when US staters complain about when their slave labour pool gets uppity.

God forbid that white people do any real work. Anything less than a picket fence and 2 cars just won't do for us ;)
 
Hi,

Link with almost all of the text (the attempt to purchase Unocal is interesting):
http://www.salon.com/news/china/index.html?story=/tech/htww/2010/08/30/rare_earth_elements_and_china
...a free market believer who just realized that China dominates an industry with major implications for national defense and renewable energy technology.

That's the primary conclusion to be gleaned from a review of three recent studies of Chinese dominance of rare earth element mining and processing, "Rare Earth Elements: The Global Supply Chain", a report published by the Congressional Research Service in July, the Government Accountability Office's "Rare Earth Materials in the Defense Supply Chain", published in April, and "China's Rare Earth Elements Industry: What Can the West Learn?" published by the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security in March.

The last report, written by Cindy Hurst, an analyst for the U.S. Army's Foreign Military Studies Office in Fort Leavenworth, KS., is the most interesting and detailed. But all three studies underline the same message. Rare earth elements are critical to advanced military technologies, computer and cellphone hardware, hybrid car batteries and wind turbine magnets. In other words, if you were going to target an industry crucial to dominating key technologies of the 21st century, rare earth element processing would be near the top of the list.

The U.S. used to be self-sufficient in both the supply and processing of rare earth elements. But today, China is far and way the dominant player at all stages of the supply chain -- and the United States has zero capability for processing the most important minerals. The difference between the two countries? China realized the strategic importance of rare earth elements very early on and directed significant state resources to their development. But when Chinese overproduction crashed world prices in the 1980s and 1990s, American companies abandoned the industry. Now the best guess is that it would require ten to fifteen years for the U.S. to reestablish the domestic infrastructure for processing rare earth element ores into usable materials.

Since global consumption of rare earth elements is growing much faster than production, that means a big squeeze in rare earth element prices could be coming in the next decade. Naturally, those nations with access to the raw material and processing infrastructure will be much better positioned than those without. And a lot can happen in just ten years. For example, Cindy Hurst notes that between now and 2020, China plans to expand domestic wind power electriity productiont from from 12 gigawatts (GW) of wind energy in 2009 to 100 GW in 2020. Wind turbines require neodymium magnets. Chinese control of the resource neatly fits into Chinese goals for ramping up its own renewable energy usage, not to mention dominating the global industry for wind turbine manufacturing.

The U.S. defense establishment tends to understand that sometimes long-term strategic considerations aren't best left to the free market. Since rare earth elements are critical to "jet fighter engines, missile guidance systems, antimissile defense, and space-based satellites and communication systems," as noted in the Congressional Research Service report, the U.S. military has become quite vocal about its concerns -- and Congress is listening. There are pending legislative proposals in both the House and Senate aimed at restarting an American rare earths industry.

We'll see how far that gets. I'm guessing that it will be a tough chore catching up with China, no matter how much industrial policy religion the U.S. government suddenly gets. Whatever kind of government support Congress authorizes for rare earth element development in the U.S. is likely to be dwarfed by ongoing Chinese investment, if the relative expenditures on renewable energy in the two nations are any guide.

One thing that I did not realize until reading the Hurst report was that the controversial, and ultimately unsuccessful attempt by the state-owned Chinese oil company to buy Unocal back in 2005 may have largely been a rare earth element play. There is one currently operating rare earth mine in the United States, California's Mountain Pass mine, owned by Molycorp.

In 1978, Unocal purchased Molycorp. In 1982, Mountain Pass Mine began processing samarium oxide and in 1989, it began processing neodymium oxide, both critical components of two types of permanent magnets. In 2005, China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) submitted an $18.5 billion cash bid for Unocal, outbidding Chevron by half a billion dollars. CNOOC's bid raised a great deal of concern for U.S. energy security. While there was a media frenzy over these concerns, one issue received little attention -- repercussions of China gaining control over Molycorp through CNOOCs purchase of Unocal. If the deal were to have gone through, China would have gained control over Mountain Pass and therefore the country would have had a complete monopoly over all the current major rare earth element resources in the world.

In retrospect maybe it was a smart decision to block the Chinese purchase of Unocal, though I suspect that most of the politicians who were grandstanding the loudest about the dangers of letting China gobble up a U.S. oil company didn't have a clue as to the rare earth angle, and would likely have dismissed renewable energy technologies as hippie self-indulgence. But the bottom line is that China has its eye on the prize, while the U.S. continues to flail.
 
I saw these sets of 216 rare earth "bucky balls" at woot.com's 2fer Tuesday, 2 sets for $33. Made in China I guess?

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gogo said:
I saw these sets of 216 rare earth "bucky balls" at woot.com's 2fer Tuesday, 2 sets for $33. Made in China I guess?
Keep from small kids.

Recalled: Magnetix, Polly Pocket Magnetic Playsets.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetix
 
The new Sept 2010 issue of Popular Science states that Afghanistan has a suprising amount of Lithium. Also lots of copper, and China has just signed a 2.9 Billion USD deal to build and run a copper mine on the best known pocket. Lots of iron (yawn...) but also lots of niobium and cobalt (Huh?).

Its my understanding that the US govt was looking for resources that could be built into the type of industries that Afghanistan could start up relatively quickly, so they can grow some global income with which to stabilize their government...at least thats the hope.

If the US wanted to "take over" any assets that Afghanistan had, I doubt we would have allowed the China deal to go through.
 
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