Hubless (centerless) wheel

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Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by 1of3 » Nov 17 2009 1:12pm

Now wouldn't this be interesting as a bike wheel/RC design type.
http://www.toxel.com/tech/2009/10/18/mo ... ss-wheels/
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 17 2009 7:39pm

I've always enjoyed the unusual, but I don't think these will ever have a wide application...

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by AussieJester » Nov 17 2009 8:05pm

Billy Lanes has done 3 with hub less rear wheel builds also..they cost around $US25k a pop for the rear rims ...basically a BIG sealed bearing.

Can also be done DIY stylin' On the cheap...using wheelchair push rails and roller blade wheels

http://bikerodnkustom4.homestead.com/hu ... seman.html


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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by ekingsting » Nov 18 2009 11:16pm

Future hubless electric- frame is to be covered with solar coatimg.
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by 1of3 » Nov 20 2009 9:46am

Ever see (any size) a motor like that.....?.......uuummmm

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by will_newton » Nov 20 2009 9:14pm

wow. how 'bout an rc motor drive or stokemonkey on that bike? :)
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by AussieJester » Nov 20 2009 9:27pm

will_newton wrote:
wow. how 'bout an rc motor drive or stokemonkey on that bike? :)

Yeah thats exactly what it needs a big heavy hub motor hanging in the center of the frame :roll:

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by 1of3 » Nov 20 2009 9:44pm

what is a 'stokemonkey'......?

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by AussieJester » Nov 21 2009 5:34am

A hub motor mounted and used as a non hub motor...i.e mount hub motor in the frame NOT the wheel with a sprocket on it and chain connecting it too rear wheel hub by chain...basically..

http://cleverchimp.com/products/stokemonkey/


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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » Nov 21 2009 5:03pm

design skools have had a stiffie for the donut wheel for as long as i can remember.
it's against their religion that they can't bring themselves to draw a normal wheel.

what are the supposed benefits?
guess one ride would tell ya if ur fillings all fell out.
would be cool to have at least one hubless bike tho.

i think it's more the case that it's simply different rather than cool.
if the hula-hoop bicycle wheel had been invented first, making it the the 'normal' wheel, would we be ooh-ing & aah-ing over what a breakthru concept spoked wheels are?

there's a lot of things like that, just different for different sake.
i still can't figure out the popularity of text messaging.
if teletype was the only form of long distance communication (after supplanting telegraphing morse code), i would expect that it too should quickly disappear with the invention of the telephone where u can actually hear! the other person's voice (amazing).
yet here we are, seems like a step backward to me & i wonder if a hubless design might also.

btw, wheels aside, that boardman frame is a straight clone of a softride rocket.
strange that he didn't copy the lotus frame that won him olympic gold.
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real men don't need a hub.
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by 1of3 » Nov 21 2009 5:22pm

1of3 wrote:what is a 'stokemonkey'......?
thanks.......

the one thing I was thinking about using these types of wheel set-up.... is stability whilst on the bike..... instead of the gross weight being a foot off the ground, it could be 3-4 inches....

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by Drunkskunk » Nov 22 2009 2:02pm

1of3 wrote:
1of3 wrote:what is a 'stokemonkey'......?
thanks.......

the one thing I was thinking about using these types of wheel set-up.... is stability whilst on the bike..... instead of the gross weight being a foot off the ground, it could be 3-4 inches....
On a Bike, that isn't nessessarily good. Generaly, the higher the weight, the more stable.

Hubless may be pointless, but it sure looks cool :D
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by AussieJester » Nov 22 2009 6:11pm

I so want to make that in aluminium...^^^^^ think
i just found the inspiration for a project bike

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by 1of3 » Nov 24 2009 7:26am

good....?
ever drive forklifts w/2 ton lifted up 40' w/same wheelbase....big diff from lower axle (load force height) between 'em....midget (little people) & Kramer wrestling in Jerrys' apartment Seinfeld episode comes to mind....
hub-less is not the point.... stability is... that wooden bike is probably made by a bored framer, but as with that chopper & a crotch rocket I saw (British dude I think), hands down w/everything else being the same, would most likely be more stable to handle than a centered load point....
geez.... all the things to make an e-bike work can be loaded into one wheel or split between the two.... sorta like that one kit for $$+ but with more power/range for less $$..
but then again being a mason to get beyond mud & brick for materials, I'd have to read the next chapter in my study book........
haha......... slate 4 wheel covers.........

and another.... just came outa bathroom..... g-friend showering.... ya says higher is more stable in general..... dunno she's pretty much a klutzo.... bet her DD weight would serve her better down 'round her ankles.... oooooohhh... yuk......
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » Nov 24 2009 1:55pm

but the bike's c of g don't change any.
well, not by much, it's still the big ape's big behind which determines that.
same thing goes for yer gf's wide boot.

as for mounting ev components into the limited hub space, how do u figger it should be less $$??
have u ever seen a laptop sell for less than the equivalent desk model?
not to mention the difficulty of cramming square lipo into a round hole.

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by gestalt » Dec 01 2009 6:30pm

1of3,

I had no idea what was going on with that blue hubless vehicle untill I stumbled upon a YouTube video featuring it. Of course they edit out the anoying buzz of the ICE blaring on and on. Instantly my eyes glazed over with the thought of sliping silently through the streets with an electric brushless model. The inquiry email has allready been sent on a riling chassis. It has disk brakes and supposedly goes thirty MPH and thirty miles on a tiny tank of gas, maybe a gallon.
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by 1of3 » Dec 03 2009 2:19pm

GO GREEN with METHANE.....
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.....and another idea frum 1of3......
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Post by def215 » Dec 03 2009 3:01pm

now thats what i call "gas" powered...lol
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by AussieJester » Dec 03 2009 11:54pm

Welcome to the site, if you would like a link to the tutorial to put together this setup
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by gestalt » Dec 06 2009 4:16pm

okay, some more on that bushpig, wheelman, g-wheel, revolution or whatever you want to call it conversion. I just can't get the idea out of my head and if I found one with a busted engine I would scoop it in a heart beat. so here is what I'm thinking, gut the engine and anything ICE related out of there then rework the motor mounts to work with a small but powerfull bldc motor. shoehorn some batterypacks in there and cover the whole thing up with a fiberglass cowling so the controller and charger keep out of the dirt and elements.

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and what electric concept wouldn't be complete with some post apocalyptic troopers to rule the roads.

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consider this just barely above napkin level, so the more brutal the crutisism is encouraged.
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by gestalt » Dec 10 2009 1:45am

So it turns out someone has done an electric conversion on one of these things http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPl3IFtXdNQ. This guy has also done some craze ICE mods doing a 110cc version and a out of hand 250cc one as well. The electric one he made looks like it has just a big ol SLA where the motor used to be and not much is shown on the motor. But I will tell you one thing, after seeing some video of these wheelman, bushpig, g-wheel things taken apart I must say they are simple as all get out. made mostly of plastic and what looks like skateboard wheels on a plastic frame for the wheels attatched to a steel box for the motor. but then again there seems to be two classes, cheap plastic friction drive ones, and more complicate but more durable chain driven models. right now I'm thinking of going diy all the way and pretty much building one from scratch. seems like the rolling chassis could be built for around $100
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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by 1of3 » Jan 20 2010 7:05pm

I was thinking along the way of a chopper bike rear rim with an attached (welded) drum ring to it's inner.
.....sorry.....I guess I need to allow time @ like 3am to compose anything..........
Anyone gotz ideas of g-friend intrusion tactics...? bitch......

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by spinningmagnets » Jan 20 2010 7:20pm

AJ, that reminded me of "Indian Larry". And yes, he died because he kept doing this.

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Re: Hubless (centerless) wheel

Post by AussieJester » Jan 20 2010 7:35pm

I have that chopper challenge episode where he dies...Side wind knocked him off the bike
he cracked his head on the ground and it was all over red rover for Indian Larry.
He has made some very unique choppers was well known and respected in the industry too..

RIP Indian Larry

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