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Now This Really Sucks

Post by Knuckles » May 08 2010 6:58pm

Hey BP ... SUCK THIS!



Track the Oil Spill Here
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And for the Beach ...




So far BP is Scratching Their Heads while ignoring these solutions. WTF!
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And This is VeruCOOL

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Oil Spill Cleanup w/ VeruTEK
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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » May 08 2010 8:53pm

but at least no precious raptors have been harmed.
unlike those blood sucking nasty windmills.
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No Oysters ... No Sex

Post by Knuckles » May 08 2010 9:11pm

Just the Lowly Oyster.
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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by dnmun » May 09 2010 1:47am

turns out windmills really eat the bats up too. and migratory passerines.

if this wellbore clears of the debris that is clogging it now, you might get some of that oil on long island. this is gonna be bad. they shoulda had more heads in the room when they were talking about the hydrates. bosses are so stupid.

i was really disappointed to read of the comments some of the deckhands made of how halliburton was really rushing to finish the cementing job, and they wanted to get the casing crew off the deck right away because of pressure to move the floater to another location.

of course you won't read the truth in any of the muckraking stuff. as though BP is such a horrid and incorrigible capitalist agent.

it wasn't BP!

halliburton already had several bad cement jobs blow out recently. could be poor crew training or bad procedures or carelessness, but having congress decide is gonna stop oil drilling in the gulf and off the coasts so it will finally terminate the only expansion of production in the US. bakken is the only big play now.

because congress will block deep water drilling, all the floaters will go overseas now as the contracts stop, and less continental production in the future. our future determined by ignoramuses spouting off made up for tv anti drilling diatribes in order to get a bigger payoff from the lobbyist.

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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by dequinox » May 09 2010 3:19am

dnmun wrote:turns out windmills really eat the bats up too. and migratory passerines.
Yeah turns out the bats don't just hit the blades... They fly around the windmills in and out of the wake of the turbines. In the wake the air pressure is quite a bit less than that of the surrounding currents after passing through the blades. Bat carcasses were discovered to have lung embolisms... a bit like being jettisoned into the vacuum of space. Not as extreme of course but apparently it's enough to kill them.

This study was done by a group at Oregon State University but I can't seem to find the link to it at the moment. A little more hunting or you can google it. Sad really.
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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by dogman dan » May 09 2010 6:37am

Easy fix, take the bug attracting lights off the windmills, and let airplanes fly into them.

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The Truth Really Sucks

Post by Knuckles » May 09 2010 6:43am

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Gulf Tragedy Update

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Based on the interviews, Bea believes that the workers set and then tested a cement seal at the bottom of the well. Then they reduced the pressure in the drill column and attempted to set a second seal below the sea floor. A chemical reaction caused by the setting cement created heat and a gas bubble which destroyed the seal.

Deep beneath the seafloor, methane is in a slushy, crystalline form. Deep sea oil drillers often encounter pockets of methane crystals as they dig into the earth.

As the bubble rose up the drill column from the high-pressure environs of the deep to the less pressurized shallows, it intensified and grew, breaking through various safety barriers, Bea said.

"A small bubble becomes a really big bubble," Bea said. "So the expanding bubble becomes like a cannon shooting the gas into your face."

Up on the rig, the first thing workers noticed was the sea water in the drill column suddenly shooting back at them, rocketing 240 feet in the air, he said. Then, gas surfaced. Then oil.

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Rig Workers: Bubble Of Methane Triggered Rig Blast

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As bad as the oil spill looks on the surface, it may be only half the problem, said University of California Berkeley engineering professor Robert Bea, who serves on a National Academy of Engineering panel on oil pipeline safety.

"There's an equal amount that could be subsurface too," said Bea. And that oil below the surface "is damn near impossible to track."
-US Gulf Coast dreads oil spill creep toward shores

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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by Lessss » May 09 2010 6:21pm

Now take this negligence occurrence (don't use the word accident) and move it to the bearing sea in the arctic. can you imagine trying to use booms in THOSE waves to corral the oil slick? Imaging trying to keep the oil off the ice!

They have no idea how to handle that kind of arctic disaster thus just say no to arctic drilling.

Most oil dispersant's are more TOXIC than the oil they disperse.
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WHAT THE HEY!

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Top Hat? Junk Shot?

Post by Knuckles » May 12 2010 5:15am

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A pollution containment chamber, known as the "top hat", is loaded onto the deck of the motor vessel Gulf Protector at Wild Well Control Inc. in Port Fourchon, La., May 10, 2010. The chamber is the second built by Wild Well Control and will be used in an attempt to contain an oil leak following the mobile offshore drilling unit Deepwater Horizon explosion.
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A pollution containment chamber, known as the "top hat", is lowered into the Gulf of Mexico by the motor vessel Viking Poseidon, May 11, 2010. The chamber will be used in an attempt to contain an oil leak that was caused by the mobile offshore drilling unit Deepwater Horizon explosion.
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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by dnmun » May 12 2010 10:36am

i have read that they did not set the final plug. they pumped the mud out and set seawater on the lower plug, maybe because they figured the depth of the water column would hold it since they were at 5k feet ocean depth. if a BP engineer requested that they not set the final plug then they are entirely liable, not halliburton like i assumed.

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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by Knuckles » May 12 2010 11:56am

Halliburton sucks by default IMHO. :twisted:
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Not Sure if This Sucks or Blows?

Post by Knuckles » May 12 2010 4:18pm



Oil and gas stream from the riser of the Deepwater Horizon well May 11, 2010. This video is from the larger of two existing leaks on the riser. This leak is located approximately 460 feet from the top of the blowout preventer and rests on the sea floor at a depth of about 5,000 feet.

Some Good News ... NALCO UP 6% Today
NALCO sells the toxic dispersants used in the Gulf of Mexico. GOD I LOVE the USA! :mrgreen:

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BP could try pipe before 'top hat' approach
Sounds like a good line to "Lay Some Pipe" :wink:
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Re: Now This Really Sucks

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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by dnmun » May 16 2010 8:20pm

4" may be the only coiled tubing they can lower that deep. they obviously need something that they can turn sideways and insert into the riser, and with pumps on the surface, this is the best option available imo.

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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by Lock » May 16 2010 8:42pm

More math... 4" diameter circle has an area of 12.566" approx.
21" circle area is about 346.36"

...so 4" tube fills only about 3.6% of the area of the 21"... wall thickness of the smaller tube ignored.
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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by Knuckles » May 16 2010 8:46pm

Thank You Lock,

Isn't 6th grade math wonderful? :roll:
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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by Lock » May 16 2010 10:21pm

No man... I freekin' hate algebra... calculus defeats me... but GEOMETRY... yah baby! Fav geometry is piloting - coastal navigation - but ebikes have lots like wheel diameters and gearing that make `em kinda fun too. Errr, apart from all the other efun bits.
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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by dnmun » May 16 2010 11:19pm

you missed my point. the ONLY tubing option that they can get to that depth may be 4". i am not familiar with the coiled tubing options that they can get onto a working platform that can operate at that depth. the floater that sank is part of a very small fleet of floaters that can work to that depth. so the coiled tubing option may be a function of what can be done with the current technology. all imho

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Re: Now This Really Sucks

Post by chvidgov.bc.ca » May 17 2010 8:38am

Hasn't BP ever learned about "Locktite Red"?

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