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Methy and LFP's DIY flamethrower fun. :)

Post by liveforphysics » Jan 30 2011 2:36am

Methy and I decided to make something exciting out of old fire extinguishers. As a highlight (that we sadly didn't get on video), a neighbor opened the door, saw us, and said, phew! It's just you guys, I thought the world was ending in flame. I figure that's always a sign you're doing something right if your actions cause others to believe the world is ending in inferno.

Always playing it safe. ;)
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Post by Evoforce » Jan 30 2011 4:45am

Mount it off the rear of your e-bike for those special occasions.
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Post by dingoEsride » Jan 30 2011 6:00am

Evoforce wrote:Mount it off the rear of your e-bike for those special occasions.
I reckon it would give a fair bit of boost too and probably burn your bum
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Post by dogman dan » Jan 30 2011 7:34am

Ohhhhh Yeahhhhh! That's my kind of fun. I'm such a pyro, no wonder I spent 20 years hanging around hot air balloons with 20 million btu burners. Anything that shoots fire 30 feet is big fun.

We do a nighttime electric light parade here on the 3rd of July. The balloonist float always wins the $750 prize. Christmas lights vs flamethrower is no contest at all.

I took a regular balloon burner and modded it to shoot flame further, and ended up with a thing that when manipulated right throws fire rings like smoke rings. One year a guy standing next to me on the float had to move away because his shoes started smoking. :twisted: Very very hard to make 40 gallons of propane last till the end of the 45 min parade. Big fun! One year I made a metal dragon for the float and put the burner in its mouth. My neighbors are used to me now, and don't dial 911.

The poor mans flamethower is of course, a can of aqua net .

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Post by bigmoose » Jan 30 2011 7:52am

I had a feeling this was going to go hypergolic when you two ended up within commuting distance of each other! :mrgreen: You both have my number, so when you end up in the back of the bus run by the guys in black ninja suits, have methy's wifey call me, and I will do my best to get you out of solitary... :wink:
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Post by Jeremy Harris » Jan 30 2011 12:27pm

Just for those with enquiring minds, and not for one moment because anyone would dream of replicating these things, how about posting details of the way you put this together?

I'm guessing that the fire extinguisher is pressurised, filled with something that's pretty volatile and that the jet is designed to squirt, rather than atomise. Is that a glow plug for ignition that just shows by the nozzle?

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Post by oldpiper » Jan 30 2011 12:58pm

Well, the fire extinguisher ain't filled with CO2, that's for sure. Must not be Freon, either, it wouldn't burn so hot (I don't think) and the flame would be green. Come to think of it, couldn't be any kind of stock FE, one (well, most people) wouldn't want to use it on a small fire and end up with a deflagration.

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Post by Tiberius » Jan 30 2011 2:30pm

Why all the high tech approach?
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Jeremy, I don't know about Luke and Patrick's system, but with fire breathing you have to atomise the stream rather than squirt it.

Another good tip is not to do it into wind.

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Post by liveforphysics » Jan 30 2011 2:34pm

Jeremy Harris wrote:Just for those with enquiring minds, and not for one moment because anyone would dream of replicating these things, how about posting details of the way you put this together?

I'm guessing that the fire extinguisher is pressurised, filled with something that's pretty volatile and that the jet is designed to squirt, rather than atomise. Is that a glow plug for ignition that just shows by the nozzle?

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I took some pics for you my friend.
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This was a dry chem one, so I blew out all the nasty powder, took it apart, cleaned and serviced the valve and it's seals (because the powder makes a mess of the seating surfaces). Then I tapped the proprietary thread-end where the discharge hose threads into the valve with 1/8" NPT (which didn't even require drilling). Then threaded in a 1/8" NPT x 1/4" compression fitting, slid a 3ft section of 1/4" copper pipe into the fitting, tightened it down, taped and zip-tied a scripto BBQ lighter wind-proof mini-jet torch onto the tip. Then mounted a Tee into the gauge port, and threaded an air compressor check-valve into 1 side so it can be pressurized easily (I wanted a thread-in shraeder valve, but at 8pm on a saturday trying to locate one was a fail).

The valves just unscrew from the bottle when you want to add more white gas. After a few experiments, it seems filling it up roughly half way with white gas and leaving the rest for the compressed air pressure head worked out pretty well.

These videos were just operating at 100psi. The dry extinguishers are supposed to be able to hold 600psi, so I will charge them from my nitrogen tank up to 600psi or so, which should perhaps make the range go from around 65feet to around 100ft (hopefully).
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Post by liveforphysics » Jan 30 2011 2:45pm

Tiberius wrote:Why all the high tech approach?
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Jeremy, I don't know about Luke and Patrick's system, but with fire breathing you have to atomise the stream rather than squirt it.

Another good tip is not to do it into wind.

Nick

Only gotta atmoize the stream well when you're using something that doesn't burn as well as white gas.

I'm thinking the next evolution will be electronic ignition, nitrous solenoid for the valve, 3000psi paintball tank for the pressure head, and napalm for the liquid. Then mounting that first onto one of my large scale RC cars for testing. The once refined, onto my massive Cessna RC plane, or my giant trex-700 helicopter.

I was also thinking maybe on the giant scale cessna with a 16" prop, adjusting it so it sprays onto the prop and slings off the napalm in a ring, so it's like the plane if flying through a tunnel of fire.
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Post by Tiberius » Jan 30 2011 2:48pm

Hi,

What is white gas? We don't have that term over here; it must be called something else.

I use lamp oil, white spirit, barbecue lighting fluid. It's all basically paraffin with different flavourings added.

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Post by liveforphysics » Jan 30 2011 2:54pm

Tiberius wrote:Hi,

What is white gas? We don't have that term over here; it must be called something else.

I use lamp oil, white spirit, barbecue lighting fluid. It's all basically paraffin with different flavourings added.

Nick

I will take a picture of the jug for you. It's what we've always used for our camping stoves, lanterns, etc.
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Post by Jeremy Harris » Jan 30 2011 3:04pm

Thanks LFP. I'm pretty sure that white gas is what we call lighter fuel over here (pretty much pure petroleum spirit, with no additives).

I feel an experiment coming on...................

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Post by beast775 » Jan 30 2011 4:17pm

cool 8)
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Post by johnnythefox » Jan 30 2011 4:23pm

Jeremy, What are you up to? Do we have a Bigmoose counterpart in the Uk? :lol:

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Post by northernmike » Jan 30 2011 5:53pm

White gas: Naptha?

This is awesome. My girlfriend is now SURE I'm insane. Sitting here laughing at giant flames, eyeing our fire extinguisher.... yes, she looks worried...

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Post by Hillhater » Jan 30 2011 6:13pm

Many of the big sports events use pyro displays to celebrate a big score or key event ( EG, 4' and 6's in cricket) using what appears to be liquid fuel burners .
Impressive, but worrying when the igniters dont work and there are large clouds of flammable fuel floating around the stadium ! :shock:
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Post by Gordo » Jan 30 2011 7:00pm

Tiberius wrote:Hi,

What is white gas? We don't have that term over here; it must be called something else.

I use lamp oil, white spirit, barbecue lighting fluid. It's all basically paraffin with different flavourings added.

Nick
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Post by katou » Jan 30 2011 8:00pm

Naptha is white gas, camp fuel, very, very volatile. Anything that you can spill on your hands, and have dry hands 3 minutes later is pretty damn volatile.

If my wife had any idea I was building something like that, she would disassemble it with a hammer or divorce me. You have very understanding neighbours too!

My pyro-ism is limited to throwing cool things into my coke (yes, coke) burning blacksmith forge. If it doesn't burn in the intense fire there, it doesn't burn.

Just for fun, check out the burners on a blast furnace sometime. 8" diameter burner, powdered coke injected into compressed (20 psi) preheated (just below flashpoint) air. I can't even conceive of how much heat that makes.

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Post by liveforphysics » Jan 30 2011 11:09pm

This is the back yard at my pad. A reasonable activity.


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Post by methods » Jan 30 2011 11:35pm

Jeremy Harris wrote:Just for those with enquiring minds, and not for one moment because anyone would dream of replicating these things, how about posting details of the way you put this together?

I'm guessing that the fire extinguisher is pressurised, filled with something that's pretty volatile and that the jet is designed to squirt, rather than atomise. Is that a glow plug for ignition that just shows by the nozzle?

Jeremy

Mine was actually a bone stock fire extinguisher. The whole thing unscrews without a wrench - dump the powder, fill with gas, screw back together. I then just attached the blow gun to the air compressor, jammed that in the discharge hose and pressurized. Did not even have to press the handle while filling. To light it off I just used a hand held torch.

Externally my flame thrower appears to be a fire extinguisher in every manner.... which - depending on your perspective - is either very good or very bad. :wink:

Kids - don't try this at home - and if you do - just use a super-squirt (pump pressurized squirt gun) and tell your mom that you saw it on YouTube. Make sure to try it out in the garage before going outside.

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Post by Jeremy Harris » Jan 31 2011 2:14am

Thanks guys.

For those in the UK that might want to try this, liquid lighter fuel is naptha (the stuff used in Zippo's and the like), as is the stuff used in some liquid fuel camping stoves (Coleman fuel is also naptha, I believe). This is a heck of a lot more volatile than the lamp oil that Nick mentioned with regard to fire breathing, so doesn't need to be atomised finely to burn well. It also has a lower flashpoint, so is easier to ignite.

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Post by Tiberius » Jan 31 2011 3:01am

Jeremy Harris wrote:Thanks guys.

For those in the UK that might want to try this, liquid lighter fuel is naptha (the stuff used in Zippo's and the like), as is the stuff used in some liquid fuel camping stoves (Coleman fuel is also naptha, I believe). This is a heck of a lot more volatile than the lamp oil that Nick mentioned with regard to fire breathing, so doesn't need to be atomised finely to burn well. It also has a lower flashpoint, so is easier to ignite.

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Yes, I would suggest being very careful with the more volatile fuels. All the fire performers I've ever known use paraffin (or the various equivalents). For fire juggling, swinging chains, breathing, etc, you want something that is relatively slow burning.

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Post by oldpiper » Jan 31 2011 8:55am

The fire breathers/torch jugglers I've seen over here all use kerosene. It's not as volatile, not really toxic, and, most importantly, burns slower, therefore not nearly as hot as other possibilities.

BTW, I don't know about in England, but over here what we call "paraffin" is candle wax (although it technically means a "saturated hydrocarbon," which would include many liquids, and even gases like butane and propane).

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