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Re: Bitcoins

Post by TheBeastie » Mar 14 2020 11:21pm

The Crypto coins have massively dropped over the last few days, ironically they are touted as the safe haven, but traditional gold has done far better only dropping single digit %, while major cryptos lost around 50% over the last week.

I am not really a crypto coin enthusiast, the only thing I am interested in is it actually being used as practical use of money, rather than investment.
The great thing about market crashes is they tend to shake out all the old shit and allow it to be flushed away to be left with a cleaner slate, and also flush out fraudsters like Bernie Madoff etc.

To me, BitCoin as money is the shittest of them all, because it's slow and illiquid.
Stockmarket experts always say the best things to reliably trade for the sake of fairness and safety are markets that are the most liquid so you can get in and out fast.

So I have looked at the "major crypto coins" for the one that has done the most transactions and appear to be the most liquid and thus fair/reliable/fast, this to me is Ripple.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/xrp/

You can see it has fallen more than BitCoin etc, but that is simply because it is the most liquid/fast/fair coin.
I can't stress this sentence enough, in time, the cryptocoin that behaves the most like Ripple in terms of liquidity will be the most popular, simply because it is the most practical and least manipulable coin to use, in the end (but it will take years) the cryptocoin currency wars/popularity winner coin will be the one that offers the fairest and practical to use, that is something that is incredibly fast and incredibly liquid, anything else is scammy shit.

This "Tether" coin looks pretty good as well.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/
The way how BitCoin is still popular while being incredibly shit and impractical shows how long it's going to take before a practical/cheap/fast/liquid cryptocoin technology surfaces to the top, and then BitCoin can be forgotten old garbage and viewed as the same as MySpace/GeoCities/AOL/Napster etc, BitCoin will join MySpace it's just going to take time.
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Post by stan.distortion » Mar 15 2020 7:17am

TheBeastie wrote:
Mar 14 2020 11:21pm
The Crypto coins have massively dropped over the last few days, ironically they are touted as the safe haven, but traditional gold has done far better only dropping single digit %, while major cryptos lost around 50% over the last week.

I am not really a crypto coin enthusiast, the only thing I am interested in is it actually being used as practical use of money, rather than investment.
The great thing about market crashes is they tend to shake out all the old shit and allow it to be flushed away to be left with a cleaner slate, and also flush out fraudsters like Bernie Madoff etc.

To me, BitCoin as money is the shittest of them all, because it's slow and illiquid.
Stockmarket experts always say the best things to reliably trade for the sake of fairness and safety are markets that are the most liquid so you can get in and out fast.

So I have looked at the "major crypto coins" for the one that has done the most transactions and appear to be the most liquid and thus fair/reliable/fast, this to me is Ripple.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/xrp/

You can see it has fallen more than BitCoin etc, but that is simply because it is the most liquid/fast/fair coin.
I can't stress this sentence enough, in time, the cryptocoin that behaves the most like Ripple in terms of liquidity will be the most popular, simply because it is the most practical and least manipulable coin to use, in the end (but it will take years) the cryptocoin currency wars/popularity winner coin will be the one that offers the fairest and practical to use, that is something that is incredibly fast and incredibly liquid, anything else is scammy shit.

This "Tether" coin looks pretty good as well.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/
The way how BitCoin is still popular while being incredibly shit and impractical shows how long it's going to take before a practical/cheap/fast/liquid cryptocoin technology surfaces to the top, and then BitCoin can be forgotten old garbage and viewed as the same as MySpace/GeoCities/AOL/Napster etc, BitCoin will join MySpace it's just going to take time.
Ripple doesn't really qualify as a cryptocurrency, it's essentially a private company issuing cryptographic tokens and totally centralised, a single point of failure. They're facing some major legal challenges at the mo and that's only going to get worse as time goes on. Tether is also highly dubious, the amount they issue and the amount they claim to hold in reserve don't add up, it's highly likely they're running a fractional reserve and so vulnerable to "bank runs".

The "stable coin" name is also totally unjustified imo, to my mind simply linking to a central bank issued currency doesn't qualify as stable. It's certainly true that cryptocurrencys don't offer a whole lot of stability today but what they do offer is the potential to develop and implement stabilising mechanisms that can offer total stability. For example energy backing is one option that's never been explored by banking (and almost certainly never will be), like 1 monetary unit equals 1kw/hr. Henry Ford proposed that one about a century ago and I'm pretty sure he wasn't the first.

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Re: Bitcoins

Post by Lootsef » Apr 04 2020 6:50am

Hey All new to EV stuff but not new to crypto. The most important thing you need to know if thinking about getting into crypto is be very carful and do not get scammed. I repeat do not get scammed security need to be you number one concern at all times because it like cash once it’s gone it’s gone the technicial ability of scammers in the crypto world is next level...


The market is quite volatile and there are over 1000+ coins available a large part of which have no real purpose or value. I’m a big fan of XRP Ripple because it have a real use case in the payments sector I was lucky enough to buy in at 0.01 cent and it’s been as high as $3,50

Happy to answer and questions I’m no expert but learnt the hard way so if I can save you some heartache I’m all for it

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Re: Bitcoins

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Post by TheBeastie » May 08 2020 12:44am

I like to consider my self someone who goes far and wide looking at various interesting YouTubers and now also BitChuters because it's easy to get banned (or demonetized) on YouTube with no reason, and even use a lawyer to try and find out why you are banned from YouTube and not get an actual reason.

I thought you guys might like to listen to this guy "Quoth the Raven", he used to work at the major the wall street firms (as far as I know) but is a bit of an outcase, he prefers investing in gold rather than bitcoin, but its all the same thing.
He often interviews hedge funds managers etc who are interesting.

You gotta skip forward to able 6minutes because it starts off with 6minutes of hellos and thank yous (literally!)

https://youtu.be/1TsugExWsto?t=354

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Re: Bitcoins

Post by Dauntless » May 08 2020 4:31pm

When the Fed buys, someone else sells. If cash leaves the market, it goes elsewhere in the economy. There's more than just market protection when the Fed buys.

I love the beginning with 'Nothing Actionable.' Being actionable means you missed out already. Jim Cramer would agree with him on that. His old radio show talked about what just IMMEDIATELY collapsed and was fresh kill. YOU get to provide that dead cat bounce right that moment.

Buffet I believe is managing retirement accounts. Maybe that's only part of it, but that's what I always hear of it.
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Re: Bitcoins

Post by Dauntless » May 16 2020 2:34pm

NBA Player, crowdfunding, you get to pick his team if you buy him enough bitcoin. The basis of the story anyway, still not making much sense.

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Post by markz » May 17 2020 5:38pm

Dauntless wrote:
May 16 2020 2:34pm
NBA Player, crowdfunding, you get to pick his team if you buy him enough bitcoin. The basis of the story anyway, still not making much sense.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/289 ... m=referral
Does it need to make sense no
We'll see whats said on that

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Post by Dauntless » May 18 2020 12:12am

markz wrote:
May 17 2020 5:38pm
Dauntless wrote:
May 16 2020 2:34pm
NBA Player, crowdfunding, you get to pick his team if you buy him enough bitcoin. The basis of the story anyway, still not making much sense.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/289 ... m=referral
Does it need to make sense no
We'll see whats said on that
Uh, yes it does, to me. Sounds too much like a troll when he makes no sense. Are you suggesting I'm missing the spirit of Bitcoin?

What's said on what?
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Post by markz » May 18 2020 2:04pm

Dauntless wrote:
May 18 2020 12:12am
Uh, yes it does, to me. Sounds too much like a troll when he makes no sense. Are you suggesting I'm missing the spirit of Bitcoin?

What's said on what?
Bitcoin doesn't make sense, the value in a computer mining numbers for what goal, imaginary value that gets higher because its harder to mine numbers and takes longer to mine. I would have loved to have gotten into the game, bought some asic cards or high dollar gpu's and went to picking the axe at numbers for some green backs. Maybe I still can at the hundreds of other crypto-currencies out there. But like the ancients and their rocks as currency, and the feds and banks wanting to shut the door on crypto's for some deep state manifesto, finance industry cant make money off it, governments cant control it or see it or any transactions to some extent. Well I guess they can see transactions, but its anonymous and thats a big problem to Uncle Sam and his janitor Turdoh.

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Post by Sunder » May 22 2020 4:07am

What part of Bitcoin doesn't make sense? The mining is not to create the value of bitcoin. The mining is to provide the trust in bitcoin and as that has value, the miners are paid a cut.

Not much difference between you walking out of a store with goods you haven't paid for - just a promise to pay later, and the trust of your card issuer to back it up by. For that service, they take a small cut.
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Post by Smoke » May 23 2020 12:26am

Crypto makes at least as much sense as any fiat currency that's not commodity backed.

Personally, I like the idea of cryptographically strong tokens to guard private information and transactions but they need to be quantum resistant or else they will be garbage in a few years.

Instead of having a crypto wallet to hold your coins, I think it would be better to have a crypto token that holds your stock brokerage account, gold certificates and other assets.

The only thing that wouldn't do is insulate you from governments stealing your assets through taxation.

But using crypto to dodge taxes is another discussion.

Once we have crypto that is quantum resistant with distributed transactions that is near impossible to hack or counterfeit, it will be really interesting. I'm not sure if it is there yet, I don't think so but I'm not too well informed with the latest developments in crypto.
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Post by Dauntless » May 23 2020 1:47pm

Smoke wrote:
May 23 2020 12:26am
Crypto makes at least as much sense as any fiat currency that's not commodity backed.
Well, no, because NO ENTITY backs crypto. The original fiat currency coin came about because there just wasn't enough gold and silver, so they made I think it was bronze coins. It had denominations that the bronze could never be worth. And the slogan 'Not the metal, the TRUST!'

You can't do that with crypto. The American dollar is so far beyond crypto in the trust, but even third world countries in risk of currency collapse hold more trust.
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Post by Smoke » May 23 2020 3:20pm

I hear bitcoin is very popular in Venezuela so I think it is more like entity's forcing people on to their monetary system and cryptocurrency's popularity is a function of distrust in those governments.

Trust in fiat currency is just big brother telling you what to believe when you think about it.

I would rather have my savings backed by securities, commodities or other durable goods than government promises. That's why I want to use crypto to protect those assets from unauthorized transactions but I'm not too interested in placing value on pushing bits around (minimg).
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Post by stan.distortion » May 24 2020 4:58am

Smoke wrote:
May 23 2020 3:20pm
I hear bitcoin is very popular in Venezuela so I think it is more like entity's forcing people on to their monetary system and cryptocurrency's popularity is a function of distrust in those governments.

Trust in fiat currency is just big brother telling you what to believe when you think about it.

I would rather have my savings backed by securities, commodities or other durable goods than government promises. That's why I want to use crypto to protect those assets from unauthorized transactions but I'm not too interested in placing value on pushing bits around (minimg).
Bitcoin is trying to gain ground in Venezuela but the most used cryptocurrency over there is Dash. Bitcoin isn't likely to catch up any time soon, BTC transaction fees are over $4 and rising and can take over an hour to finalise, Dash transaction fees are less than $0.01 and settled in under 2 seconds. The Petro was based on Dash, the Petro whitepaper was mostly a copy and paste of the Dash whitepaper.
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Once we have crypto that is quantum resistant with distributed transactions that is near impossible to hack or counterfeit, it will be really interesting. I'm not sure if it is there yet, I don't think so but I'm not too well informed with the latest developments in crypto.
Quantum resistance is mostly media hype, only some cryptographic functions are completely broken with quantum computing, others are completely unaffected by it and can easily be implemented in place of a vulnerable method. Bitcoin uses the SHA256 algorithm and that's vulnerable to quantum computing but if it's broken we've got far bigger problems than just bitcoin. It's also used for military communications, banking infrastructure, all sorts of really important stuff that would take much longer to re-implement than open source cryptocurrency code.

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Post by Smoke » May 24 2020 1:44pm

Yep, big problems are coming and sooner than people think. I know Microsoft has a serious cold computing program that is aiming to make quantum computers with hundreds and thousands of q-bits, that will make most encryption vulnerable overnight. I'm sure Microsoft isn't the only one trying that. My guess is there are at least 2-3 parallel efforts, maybe a lot more as state sponsored cyber warfare infrastructure.

The Microsoft plan which should be typical for quantum computing is 3-4 levels of computer with the quantum bits operating at near absolute zero temperatures and a few stages at higher temperature before the data comes out at ambient temperature. I know at least one of the stages is at the testing phase and they were all designed in parallel so they should all be testing but I think the number of q-bits will start pretty low, like 32 or 64 and then ramp pretty quickly up to 512, 1024 and more.

From what I understand, the cryptographic implications of quantum computing start to show up around 128 q-bits and getting in to the 1,000+ level makes pretty much any encryption that is not quantum resistant easily broken.

It's no longer a question of if, it's a question of when. Could it be this winter, next summer? I would be surprised if we don't see major announcements before the end of 2022.
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Re: Bitcoins

Post by Needmorespeed » May 29 2020 9:27am

Bitcoin was the first mover so had an advantage over other Crypto’s but Xrp has a far better future and real utility in moving cross border payments around the world completely eliminating nostro/vostro holding accounts. Bitcoin is too Centralized with most mining in China nowadays.
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