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bit of a stupid question but....

Post by nechaus » Feb 16 2012 4:46am

Can you fill the bike tyres/tubes with helium ?? would it make the setup lighter? and would it work?

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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by markobetti » Feb 16 2012 4:49am

you can fill it with water if you want but you will not get a water - jet . Helium inside tires to make them lighter...man forget that ...

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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by rojitor » Feb 16 2012 4:56am

The wheel will not be noticeable lighter, its particles are smaller than air's so the tyre will lose the pressure in no time,hellium is more expensive than air (free so far) therefore you better not bother.

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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by nechaus » Feb 16 2012 4:58am

Forgotten lol

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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by Ypedal » Feb 16 2012 6:51am

I"m going to add this to the faq .. lol...
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by full-throttle » Feb 16 2012 7:13am

:lol:

It's been asked many times before
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.ph ... weenies...

as well as helium filled frames
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... p?p=520678

you're better off filling your tyres with latex sealant - it WILL save weight AND stop punctures :wink:

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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by rojitor » Feb 16 2012 7:15am

Ypedal wrote:I"m going to add this to the faq .. lol...
You can not even imagine how many people ask that question, i have seen it on several forums. Btw as soon as you move this to faq i am sure pixar will increase "up" sales.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by Hardcarve1 » Feb 16 2012 1:42pm

The same question is asked in kitesurfing and the answer is no as well.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by Sunder » Feb 16 2012 3:36pm

Pure nitrogen is sometimes used for better heat dispersion, and even pressures, which can very slightly improve efficiency at high speed. It's commonly been used n race cars and airplane tyres, but I think is a bit of a gimmick in normal cars, let alone ebikes. Maybe if you were a constant high speeder?
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Nitrogen is supposed to remain constant at various temps..
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by Hillhater » Feb 16 2012 3:48pm

Ypedal wrote:Nitrogen is supposed to remain constant at various temps..
sorry YP, but that is not true.
All gasses behave in the same way with regards to pressure and temperature ( Boyles Law).
Any gas will increase in pressure when heated in a confined vessel.
The reason why nitrogen is used in tyres for race cars and aircraft is because it is almost completely uncontaminated with water vapour (which is in most compressed air).
Water vapour behaves very differently to a pure gas when heated.( more pressure increase)
Also nitrogen is inert, and cheap !
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Post by heathyoung » Feb 16 2012 5:15pm

AND nitrogen is a much larger molecule than helium - your tyres would go flat every day - this is why they have those special foil balloons that stay inflated and floating for weeks versus 1 day for normal rubber balloons.

The only thing that would go flatter even faster would be hydrogen.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by TylerDurden » Feb 16 2012 7:57pm

When my tire guys ask if I want nitrogen, I tell them I already run a 78% blend.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by nechaus » Feb 17 2012 7:43am

Yeah I was just looking at the periodic table..
something i should of figured out myself...
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by Nehmo » Feb 18 2012 1:14am

nechaus wrote: tyres/tubes with helium ?
That would be useless. However-
If you happen to be in an area where the wind is relatively constant, and it might be in Brisbane, Australia, and if you are travailing with the wind, and you don't exceed the vector-calculated speed of the wind, and you tether a helium filled (experiment for size) balloon so that the total height isn't enough to reach overhead obstacles (<4m), you would assist your forward movement as with a sail.
You could even use cheap hydrogen if you are careful about ignition. Then you can afford to deflate the balloon for trips opposing the wind.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by wineboyrider » Feb 18 2012 1:24am

Fill your tires with Red wine from Wineboy of course that way when your motor breaks down you can at least taps some off waiting for ride!
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by Kin » Feb 18 2012 8:58pm

It's a sad truth, as a kid, that one only realizes what could be done with a 60lb lift weather balloon, once they themselves get older and weigh 90+pounds. (dear metric friends, 27kg and 41kg).
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by The fingers » Apr 28 2012 11:03am

An automotive tire guy told me that his nitrogen might freeze the inner tube in a bicycle tire and cause it to crack. True?
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by Kin » Apr 28 2012 12:47pm

If you're talking liquid nitrogen, that can drop the temperature enough to crack rubber (not sure if it's about glass-transition temp, or if it's just how polymers generally become more brittle with lower temp.)

If you're talking about air nitrogen...Idk, i don't see how that should cause the rubber to crack. Air is already mostly nitrogen. For kicks, I just googled http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/ho ... ns/4302788.

I somehow doubt this is all that important though.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by ThirtyFerretsInAManSuit » Sep 28 2013 9:38pm

heathyoung wrote:The only thing that would go flatter even faster would be hydrogen.
Actually helium atoms are smaller than hydrogen molecules.

The fingers wrote:An automotive tire guy told me that his nitrogen might freeze the inner tube in a bicycle tire and cause it to crack. True?
This isn't to do with the temperature he keeps his nitrogen at, it's about the thermodynamics of the process of inflating the tyre. As the gas enters the tube, it does work on the side walls (pushing them out) which means the gas loses energy. The gas also probably would have been stored at a higher pressure than it would end up at once inside the tube - in this case as it expands its temperature would drop. Both these effects would make the nitrogen get colder as it is released into the tube.
Since polymers do indeed get more brittle with lower temperature, the risk of cracking the tube would be greater than normal. Polymers also tend to act more brittle the faster you change their shape; if the nitrogen is blasted in quite fast that risk is elevated further. And I imagine the machine your tyre guy uses is designed to inflate larger car tyres and might be automatic - so it really could blast the nitrogen in too fast.

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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by dnmun » Sep 29 2013 2:49am

use bionitrogen in your tires!

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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by MikeFairbanks » Sep 29 2013 7:04pm

I saw online an article about a guy who (this is real) made a hot-air balloon using trash bags and was able to lift himself off the ground.

It wasn't a crazy thing at all. It was real, and I tried it myself when teaching.

The directions said to find the thinnest trash bags possible (black, of course) and then tape them together with the lightest tape possible (masking tape) and then let the sun heat it.

The ideal conditions are a cold, cold winter day with no wind but lots of direct sunlight. The temperature inside the bag will increase, the air will increase, and it will float.

Pretty cool science.

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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by Dauntless » Sep 29 2013 8:01pm

dnmun wrote:use bionitrogen in your tires!
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by beast775 » Sep 30 2013 6:00pm

I cant get over stan the tire guy riding through that channel so many times :lol: .I would probably wipe out.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Post by rust » Sep 17 2016 12:51pm

Hillhater wrote:Also nitrogen is inert, and cheap !
Nitrogen is FAR from being inert.

If it were, there would be no fertilizers, no nitrous oxide, no ammonia, no LIFE.

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