Car drivers blame bicyclists when they are killed

Chalo

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Car drivers love to make it the victim's fault, when all the deadly force involved was something the driver chose to bring along with the car.

"I didn't see him, he just jumped out in front of me while I was spraying cyanide/shooting my gun/slashing this chainsaw around for no good reason." The net result of car driving is that people die for the laziness, obliviousness, and convenience of callously indifferent jackasses, and nobody faces consequences for it except the victim and his or her survivors.

Dying in a car crash is only a just outcome when the person who dies was the one who willingly chose to be in the car. The rest of the time it's a form of homicide, negligent at least-- even if the law and the opinions of callously indifferent car driving jackasses don't agree.
 
40,000 dead per year in the USA alone, because of cars, make cyclist blaming a non-argument. How many peds got taken out by cyclists in 2016? I'm guessing more than that got killed by other peds. And that neither number is statistically significant.

40,000 killed per year on the other hand, is not anomalous, and not ignorable-- unless you're a car driver trying to justify antisocial behavior.

P.S. -
That's about the same number of US deaths per year as caused by colon cancer or firearms.
 
Of course im a car driver. ....As well as a bike rider.
I couldnt live a reasonable life style without a car (we actually have 3 in the family...all necessary)
Infact civilisation as we currently have it would come to a pretty nasty quick halt if cars were suddenly unavailable with 75% of the workforce unable to get to work, and much commerce grinding to a stop.
currently, there are not even any EVs that can substitute for the ICEs most people use around here either !
A car is not just a convenience to many, its an essential means of transport for various reasons, and i get pissed at folk who assume all car drivers are just lazy speed maniacs with a intent to kill every cyclist and pedestrian they see.
That is just concieted , dumb ass, simple thinking.
 
None of what you say makes it a cyclist's fault when a car driver kills him or her. The driver brings the violence. It doesn't matter how much you and others conflate convenience and bad choices with so-called necessity.
 
Cyclists love to make it the drivers fault when it's the cyclists, which it usually is. So many ride like they're attempting suicide anymore. Amazing to hear them demand immortality just because they're on a bike. As though there's some sort of moral superiority.
 
35000 not 40000. get your facts straight. just as many dumb bicyclists as car drivers. get off your high horse. I commute by bike and i see just as many dumb bike riding people who do not obey the law as motorists. I guess we are not all as perfect as you. good luck with your delusional thought process. You know who you are?
 
Chalo said:
Car drivers love to make it the victim's fault, when all the deadly force involved was something the driver chose to bring along with the car.

"I didn't see him, he just jumped out in front of me while I was spraying cyanide/shooting my gun/slashing this chainsaw around for no good reason." The net result of car driving is that people die for the laziness, obliviousness, and convenience of callously indifferent jackasses, and nobody faces consequences for it except the victim and his or her survivors.

Dying in a car crash is only a just outcome when the person who dies was the one who willingly chose to be in the car. The rest of the time it's a form of homicide, negligent at least-- even if the law and the opinions of callously indifferent car driving jackasses don't agree.

Id like to see you last somewhere with Buffalo N.Y. weather with your anti car attitude it really annoys me and doesn't contribute to the post I don't get how no mod has called you out on it, its every post and never benefits the topic at hand.Not saying you are not knowledgeable you probably know way more about bikes then I do but you are way to set in your ways and view points. I bike year round I am somewhat anti gas but your constant car bashing on this forum is absurd. How would you expect the world to function with out cars. I can see wanting the cutting back of cars but being completely anti car is ridiculous especially living as a I am assuming A single adult in a fair weather city. You just can't be anti car in those conditions. I bike in one of the worse cities to bike and even I can't be completely anti car its the equivalent to being anti house. How would stores get stock with out cars, How would cable lines get maintained with out cars, Electricity, Plumbing etc. Everything revolves around vehicles.Its not that we centered cities around cars for the sake of it the human population demanded it theres to many of us for it not to work. Unless you have some plan to cut back on the human population. At the civilian level compact less polluting means of transport should be promoted but bashing cars completely is absurd. You can't even keep up the cars are dangerous argument because in 10 years most 4 wheelers will be self driving eliminating human error aside from luxury cars and sports car in which the option to self drive on will be a paid luxury or death sentence depending on how you perceive it.

Actually thats the perfect comparison I came up on being anti car is the equivalent to being anti house. When you compare the pollution produced by a home indirectly its responsible for more deaths then a car. Just electricity of a average home produces 7.2 tons CO2 per house hold cars produce 4.3. I don't need a gaming pc, I don't need a 4 bed room house, I don't need my 2 door garage plus shed with a server in it. Also eating meat leads to pollution I know someone vegan due to the costs the meat industry has on the environment. The point is cars are a luxury every luxury is bad and has someones blood on its hands. The very technology we use to post on this forum has blood on it and people exploited for the luxury of us to use it. You can suggest people not to over indulge like not be a dumb ass and get a oversize suv they will under utilize when a compact car will be fine for their needs. Unless you are a complete minimalist that can promote your minimalist life style to others in a plausible way you can't sit on a high horse and bash someone elses luxury.
 
Boytitan, your poor choices are not valid reasons​ to make even more poor choices that have grievous effects on everybody, even those who are too smart and/or ethical to do as you do.

Nobody is forced to live in the suburbs, or twenty-five miles from where they work, or in a frozen postapocalyptic pit toilet of a city. These are choices you can make that might screw things up for you-- but when you cope with them by driving a murder vehicle, that's a result of your own choices, not a matter of necessity. And it screws​ up not only your own life, but everybody else's around you.

Which brings us back around to the famous person mentioned earlier, who was murdered by a car driver and then blamed for his own murder right here in this forum. I'm calling bullshit on that. The one who brings the violence is to blame for the violence.
 
Chalo said:
Boytitan, your poor choices are not valid reasons​ to make even more poor choices that have grievous effects on everybody, even those who are too smart and/or ethical to do as you do.

Nobody is forced to live in the suburbs, or twenty-five miles from where they work, or in a frozen postapocalyptic pit toilet of a city. These are choices you can make that might screw things up for you-- but when you cope with them by driving a murder vehicle, that's a result of your own choices, not a matter of necessity. And it screws​ up not only your own life, but everybody else's around you.

Which brings us back around to the famous person mentioned earlier, who was murdered by a car driver and then blamed for his own murder right here in this forum. I'm calling bullshit on that. The one who brings the violence is to blame for the violence.
I love how you ignored all my arguments. How would you get food with out a delivery truck bringing the food to a store. Where are people who live in a city it snows in supposed to move too humans are already over populated, where are people in suburbs supposed to move too not like there is enough room. I am sure you have a counter argument aside from cars are murder weapons.

You also ignored the fact cars will be self driving soon.

Unless you life out in the woods in the middle of no where and grow your oqn food the things you call murder weapons are a necisty of lif le you need. I have seen reasonable explanations of down sizing cars. But you are completely anti car yet can't come up with a reasonable infastr to match the population density. Its just cars are murder weapons cars are bad.

Sorry about typos primary cellphone is down till I replace its screen currently using my spare. Ill fix the typos on my desktop when I get home.
 
boytitan, do not bother reasoning with chalo as he still lives in obamas fantasy liberal land. its all flowers and unicorns with him. delusional and out of touch incapable of real thinking. He should be forced to work on a automobile assembly line as punishment. Most people put him on their ignore list as he brings nothing to a e-bike forum except crapping on peoples threads who ask for advice. Good luck and good day.
 
slacker said:
boytitan, do not bother reasoning with chalo as he still lives in obamas fantasy liberal land. its all flowers and unicorns with him. delusional and out of touch incapable of real thinking.

Obama's liberal fantasy land is looking better and better every day, when all we get now is what Russia gives us...
 
The fingers said:
I postulate that more celebrities die in automobiles and airplanes than on bicycles. :cry:

Hotel rooms should be banned. More celebs die in those than anything.
 
boytitan said:
I love how you ignored all my arguments. How would you get food with out a delivery truck bringing the food to a store.
With a truck, not a car.
Where are people who live in a city it snows in supposed to move too humans are already over populated, where are people in suburbs supposed to move too not like there is enough room.
To a place near a rail line, or near their place of work.

It's perfectly possible to live without cars - we did it for centuries, and we could do it again if we wanted to. We just don't want to.
 
billvon said:
boytitan said:
I love how you ignored all my arguments. How would you get food with out a delivery truck bringing the food to a store.
With a truck, not a car.
Where are people who live in a city it snows in supposed to move too humans are already over populated, where are people in suburbs supposed to move too not like there is enough room.
To a place near a rail line, or near their place of work.

It's perfectly possible to live without cars - we did it for centuries, and we could do it again if we wanted to. We just don't want to.

What size was the human population before cars. Population boom, Industrial Revolution and car centric infrastructure all happened at the same time. Now we need more people on bikes because theres to many of us to all drive at once but we also still need cars. We need to scale down not get rid of.
 
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/05/31/17/32/cyclist-trapped-in-rope-dragged-by-truck :shock: We need to ban trucks.
Cyclist trapped in rope is dragged down road by truck in ‘sickening’ CCTV
A cyclist has survived becoming tangled in a rope and dragged hundreds of metres behind a large truck, with the “sickening” brush with death caught on camera.
Rod Little, 57, from the NSW Central Coast, was cycling on the Scenic Highway at Terrigal yesterday morning when his spokes became entangled in a rope dangling from a council truck.
Because he was clipped in to his pedals, Mr Little was unable to free himself and was dragged 200 metres down the road.
The driver of the truck was unaware of what was happening.
“It was sickening, it was sickening to see,” witness Nick Markovina told 9NEWS.
“I couldn’t believe it. I thought, you’re dragging a 30-40 metre cable and you’re driving some equipment - but not a cyclist by your ankles.”
Remarkably Mr Little, a specialist doctor who counts cycling as his passion, was sitting up and talking just minutes after the ordeal.
He was flown to John Hunter Hospital where he underwent surgery after losing skin in the accident.
“I couldn’t believe how far he was dragged along the road,” Mr Little’s wife Nicolette Gregory said.
“[He’s got] an awful lot of skin missing. Pretty bad actually. He’s got a lot of work to be done on him.”
A neighbour said his car is normally parked on the side of the road and would have been in Mr Little’s path yesterday had he not been due in Sydney.
Central Coast Council told 9NEWS it was an accident and the driver of the truck is receiving support.
Police are investigating whether the truck’s load was properly tied down.
 
boytitan said:
What size was the human population before cars. Population boom, Industrial Revolution and car centric infrastructure all happened at the same time.
Nope. Industrial revolution and population boom started around 1760. Cars arrived en masse (i.e. affordable for regular people) in the 1908 with the arrival of the Model T. Before that people got to work via trains, subways, streetcars and walking. For example, there were hundreds of streetcars in San Francisco in 1890 - split among 23 separate companies. On the busiest lines, a streetcar left every 15 seconds.

Even today, more than half the people who work in NYC take the train, and there are a dozen cities in the US where more than a quarter of all commuters don't drive cars.
Now we need more people on bikes because theres to many of us to all drive at once but we also still need cars. We need to scale down not get rid of.
Agreed there. Significantly scaling down the number of cars is a good goal.
 
billvon said:
Agreed there. Significantly scaling down the number of cars is a good goal.

Good thing Uber, Google, Tesla, and others are working on that issue with automated cars. There would be less cars on the road and in ownership if the current number of cars were doing more work. For the most part, a majority of cars spend a majority of their time taking up parking spaces. We'd have more room for people if we didn't have to have all this room to park all these cars that are just sitting there most of the day.

Then, we won't be blaming cyclists for causing accidents, we'll be blaming software. :shock:
 
billvon said:
boytitan said:
Now we need more people on bikes because theres to many of us to all drive at once but we also still need cars. We need to scale down not get rid of.
Agreed there. Significantly scaling down the number of cars is a good goal.

We need to reduce their numbers to what's necessary, and keep their operational behavior in check. Slower than cycling speeds would be appropriate within the city environment where they share space with humans. On limited access thoroughfares, they should go slow enough that they don't make disruptive noise.

We need a certain number of wheelchairs, too, but not just because people are too lazy to stand up and walk, or because it pleases them to make others yield the way, or because a wheelchair is considered a mark of status.
 
cal3thousand said:
Good thing Uber, Google, Tesla, and others are working on that issue with automated cars. There would be less cars on the road and in ownership if the current number of cars were doing more work.

Yes. Not only are robot cars law-abiding and attentive, but they only have to be present when they're being used, and there's an economic imperative to keeping them operating as much of the time as possible.

The second best promise of autonomous cars,--after their elimination of the largest form of mass murder-- is that they become a service, not a possession or some perverse kind of personal identity badge. Not only does that mean we need many fewer of them, but people will stop attaching their egos to them and will use whatever mode of transport makes the most sense under the circumstances.

Heck, when people stop taking cars for granted, they'll probably stop making as many stupid lifestyle choices that only make sense when you assume you'll only ever travel by car.
 
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