Bittersweet Nightshade

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Wow, with a name like that it's got to be good right?

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Well no, most mainstream sources simply say it's 'poisonous'.

But so are most things when you overdose on them . . . . Duh.
Take too much boner medicine, heart medicine, painkillers, etc etc etc, and they're 'poisonous'.
But take snake venom ('poisonous') and we can make 'anti-venom'. Take mold and we can make penicillin. And how do we make tetanus and flu shots? //End rant.


Anyway, this stuff is growing freely in my yard, and I want to learn more about it medicinally. There's several plants of the nightshade variety: common red peppers, potatoes, and tomatoes . . . And also 'belladonna' which is super concentrated. One berry can kill a man.

But it turns out, the bittersweet nightshade berries have a sedative quality when ingested. The entire plant has various historically recorded medicinal properties too. I'm still looking for more specifics, but yes I've eaten about a half dozen, kinda for fun/ education. Learning SHOULD be fun, right? :wink:
I like the green ones best, more crunchy, but probably wouldn't eat 6 of those!
 
Definitely don't go and smoke any jimson weed.(locoweed) Was a guy we knew in high school named Jimson Joe who did and never fully recovered. :shock:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium
Leaves of the tomato plant are toxic also.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato
Was surprised to learn that the potato is a nightshade plant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato
 
In high school I smoked some jimsonweed, saw things out of the corners of my eyes. Next tried eating a handful of the seeds. BIG MISTAKE!!!! True hallucinations,
just like you read about. NOT a good time. I had done LOTS of acid before. No comparison. Don't ever try it! :roll: :mrgreen:
 
Apparently DMT is the new 'trip'. It's derived from fairly normal grass but theres been something removed that would normally counteract the dimethyltryptamine iirc. It's 15-30 minutes in-and-out but people say it's a lifechanger like no other. But I have little interest in hallucinogens as 'medicine' (maybe a decade or two ago), plus I think we have some threads on them already.

I consider caffeine and nicotine 'medicinal', and do use both. Hell maybe chocolate too. Anyway it's nice to add another 'whole' plant with a completely different property - I think it's funny most literature says 'poison stay away!'.
But yeah, my life is interesting and challenging enough without hallucinogens. Feel like they hold me back at this point in life.
 
The nightshade family is full of poisons..
Tobacco is a nightshade. Good example.. slow killing poison :p

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Here's a talk about all kinds of various poisons in plants, some we eat regularly and have had to modify to reduce their levels.

Personally i have a problem with a certain kind of potato ( another nightshade ), and i'm not sure which. I will begin to hiccup 24/7 and my stomach will inflame.. it can go on for months until it's treated with an antacid. I don't eat carbs anymore, so i'm lucky i don't have to worry about that anymore.
 
nutspecial said:
Ugh. Maybe you should use google brah

Why does anyone take anything medicinally, or even research it for starters?

Medicinal is totally different then wanting to get high brah.
 
markz said:
nutspecial said:
Ugh. Maybe you should use google brah

Why does anyone take anything medicinally, or even research it for starters?

Medicinal is totally different then wanting to get high brah.

I guess that explains why so many in California call marijuana "Meds." One can take a class to learn what to say to a doctor to get marijuana "Prescribed," as well as what NOT to say. Once one has a prescription, one can sell what one does not use. And they do, they do. A 'Schedule 2 drug" has some sort of medical allusion but a high degree of abuse. While it's SUPPOSED to be totally different, the people who want to get high don't see it that way at all.
 
That throws grey into the mix with medicinal weed, many will swap addictions and many will fall into that trap of "Oh well my doctor prescribed it"
That is precisely why main strea doctors werent for it. You have to go to the stores doctor to get the prescript.

Doctors have over prescribed harmful prescripts all the time, does not make it right or ethical.
Oxy-Contin was one bad drug used for pain.

To each their own, but countless have to die.
 
Thing is, marijuana isn't addictive. Aside from the negative effects of smoking, it's basically harmless. Which is why it's weird that a doctor would prescribe it to be smoked.
 
but countless have to die

Think about that for a sec. We ALL have to die. What is death? Let's hope it's an improvement? Anyway. . .

The problem is, people LIVE with potentially unnecessary dependancies on some variation of nature that possibly detracts some happiness/healthiness from their LIVES. And other people have to LIVE with/around those people. BUT we all probably can find stuff we are over-dependant on, if we search- I doubt any person has quite reached perfection. It's actually a fun self mental exercise imo.

My first tenant ever was this single guy about 50yo. 'Chronic pain' sufferer. That's when I learned that much of the time pain meds actually compound, complicate, multiply, or otherwise simply extend the original issue by treating (overtreating?) the symptom of pain. Pain is there for a dam reason.
This guy got perks and oxys, and soma muscle relaxers, and fentanyl patches, and fentanyl lolipops. Was super high 3 weeks a month on hundreds of pills, and super sick and miserable for at least a week. This is not to mention the valium etc he was also on, that likewise seemed to complicate a fairly level head. He ended up catching fire to his apartment one night when all messed up, and blaming it on aliens. No lie. The other tenant got to him/it just in time, or dude might have been cashing his check with god right then.

Anyway, hopefully someone sees this that knows something about this nightshade or similar. I've not found a whole lot about it on the net, yet.
 
Oh come on nuts you know exactly what I meant brah.

Dying from overdoses, choking on their own vomit, crashes all due to addiction.
Sure we all die at some point.

I watched a show on Netflix titled Heroin (E) it was interesting to see the opiod crisis in that specific state. They followed a "lifer" Fire Marshal who is really a EMT, a Drug Court Judge and a Religious Outreach worker, all very interesting stories of the dark fog. I was asked to learn to administer the drug at Canadian Blood Services, but I have never been around that dark dark fog. Besides I wouldnt be carrying around whats needed for that administration anyways.
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/wild_things/2014/08/18/poisonous_plants_belladonna_nightshade_is_the_celebrity_of_deadly_flora.html
Big, Bad Botany: Deadly Nightshade (Atropa Belladonna), the Poisonous A-Lister
By Michael Largo
Atropa belladonna
All week on Wild Things, we’ll be presenting our favorite dangerous, horrifying, and monstrous plants, excerpted from The Big, Bad Book of Botany: The World’s Most Fascinating Flora by Michael Largo. Out now from William Morrow.
Atropa belladonna is a Eurasian perennial with reddish, bell-shaped flowers that bear glossy-coated, black berries. Other names for the plant include belladonna, deadly nightshade, devil’s berries, naughty man’s cherries, death cherries, beautiful death, and devil’s herb. The plant earns its sinister nicknames, as its foliage and berries are extremely toxic, containing potent dosages of tropane alkaloids. Its most common name, belladonna, derives from Italian, meaning “beautiful woman.” Historically, women have used the herb’s oil to dilate and enlarge the pupils for seductive effect. But it’s best known as the plant of choice for assassins through history.

A native to Europe, North Africa, and Western Asia, the herb grows wildly in many parts of the United States, mostly in dumps, quarries, near old ruins, under shade trees, or atop wooded hills. Belladonna is a branching plant that often grows to resemble a shrub of about 4 feet in height within a single growing season. Its leaves are long, extending 7 inches, and its bell-shaped flowers are purple with green tinges, about an inch long. The fruit and berries appear green when growing, but, as the toxins get stronger in the ripening stage, turn a shiny black color. Belladonna blooms in midsummer through early fall, and its roots are thick, fleshy, and white, growing to about 6 inches or more in length.

Deadly nightshade is one of the most toxic plants in the Eastern Hemisphere. While the roots are the most deadly part, the poisonous alkaloids run through the entirety of the plant. Scopolamine and hyoscyamine are among these toxins, both of which cause delirium and hallucinations. Deadly nightshade berries pose the greatest danger to children, as they are attractive and are deceptively sweet at first bite. Yet just two berries can kill a child who eats them, and it takes only 10 or 20 to kill an adult. Likewise, consuming even a single leaf can prove fatal to humans. Cattle, horses, rabbits, goats, and sheep can eat deadly nightshade without ill effect, though many pets are vulnerable to its lethal effects. Symptoms of deadly nightshade poisoning present quickly, so if medical aid is far off, drink a large glass of warm vinegar or a mixture of mustard and water, which may dilute and neutralize its toxicity.

Though today we understand the risks involved in using deadly nightshade outweigh any potential benefits, it has a long history in medicine and cosmetics, and as a weapon. Ancient Romans harnessed the effects of the plant to make poison-tipped arrows guaranteed to kill, and still others found it an effective anesthesia for surgery, as numbness and drowsiness are side effects of its toxic mix.

If you wish to grow your own crop of the herb, soak the seeds in refrigerated water for two weeks, replacing the water daily. Plant the seeds immediately after two weeks—the young seeds will need sufficient moisture if they’re to germinate successfully, so choose a plot outdoors in May, when there is no fear of frost, and after a strong rain, when the soil is fairly moist. Place the seeds 18 inches apart from one another, and make sure to keep the soil free of weeds or other plants. First-year plants should be thinned out to about 2 1/2 to 3 feet to avoid overcrowding in the next year.

Because it’s so difficult to grow, belladonna rarely appears in gardens. Though it’s cultivated for medicinal purposes in England, France, and North America, the herb has no major value as food. Some home gardeners plant it for its large, colorful display of berries, but remember: This beauty blooms with no printed warning signs, and it’s a risky and deadly choice to grow it haphazardly.

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The Nightshade family includes potatoes, tomatoes and eggplant. Is the genus described in the article the very same deadly nightshade? You know, you can graft a tomato stem onto a nightshade.  More...

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Belladonna is rightfully known as the plant used most throughout the history of stealth assassination. Spies, as well as taste-testers hired by kings and the wealthy to sample food for poisons, learned that it’s possible to develop a tolerance to belladonna. By exposing himself to the toxins by taking small sips of a brew made from the plant over time, an assassin could demonstrate a drink was safe to consume, and his mark would swallow the poison willingly. Made from the plant’s berries, such a drink retains a sweet taste, and can pass as a fermented beverage. According to history, Scotland’s King Duncan I, in 1030, passed around bottles of the deadly drink to an army of Danes, which killed them all without his having to lift a sword. For so-called witches, belladonna is the supposed main ingredient allowing broomsticks to levitate. And perhaps it did, even if only in their hallucinations.

Excerpted from The Big, Bad Book of Botany: The World’s Most Fascinating Floraby Michael Largo. Out now from William Morrow, an imprint of HarperCollins Publishers. Reprinted by permission.
Update, Aug. 20, 2014: A drawing originally at the top of this post did not depict the flowers correctly; it has been replaced with a photo of Atropa belladonna. In addition, the post has been updated to clarify that the nightshade being discussed throughout is deadly nightshade.
Michael Largo is the former editor of New York Poetry and the author ofThe Big, Bad Book of Beasts: The World’s Most Curious Creatures.
 
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