Alta Motors Redshift

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by Rix » Mar 10 2019 12:13am

Arlo1 wrote:
Mar 09 2019 7:23pm
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I found what you are looking for, glad I could help you out.
http://www.tacita.it/t-race-enduro/
Lol that's not where you want the weight of a battery.
looks like a converted MX bike.
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Yah Arlo, that is correct and puts a lot of weight up higher than I would like. It does look like a converted MX bike. Still, 9kwh battery would give me all of the off road range I would every need. My Alta is good for 40 miles of trail riding, and that covers 95% of my needs. But if the Alta had an 8 or 9kwh battery, I would never have to entertain a gas bike again for extended trail rides.
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The battery can't be that hard to rebuild in the Alta. Once there is some better cell tech just swap them out.
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I may have to employ your services Arlo when the time comes.

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by Arlo1 » Mar 10 2019 12:38am

Lol.

Well I am 100% serious about building or buying a MXR.
So when the time comes... I might have something ready ;)

I could use some help though. Anyone who can help me cast/machine parts this is the time.
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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by benjamin84 » Mar 10 2019 11:39am

engate wrote:
Mar 08 2019 7:49pm
benjamin84 wrote:
Mar 08 2019 2:48am
And the suspension is actually pretty good too ;)
The DNM suspension on the qulbix is actually horrible.The fork is sticky,small bump sensitivity is non existent.It's acceptable as long as you don't ride fast.I have a Q140MD as well and after a hard high speed off-road ride my hand hurts. It shakes the handlebar hard.My other ebike with fox fork (only 130mm travel) is butter smooth compared to this chinese garbage.The front fork needs to be replaced with a FOX 40 or something similar for sure.The rear DNM shock isn't that bad,but a fox shock wouldn't hurt there either just to get a bit better performance.
Interesting, I find it works quite well for low speed single track but I can imagine the fork could struggle with higher speed stuff. It isn't too supple, but again for slow (below 25kph) and quite bumpy / rocky single track I found it worked fine for me. Cool to see someone else with a Q140MD! Feel free to post a picture and some thoughts about yours in this thread I started when I was looking for my new bike :) If you do replace the front suspension I'd be very interested to hear how that turns out too - I guess you'd have to get a fairly stiff spring on it to cope with the bikes weight?

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by engate » Mar 10 2019 3:05pm

benjamin84 wrote:
Mar 10 2019 11:39am
I'd be very interested to hear how that turns out too - I guess you'd have to get a fairly stiff spring on it to cope with the bikes weight?

You don't have to. The Fox 40 Float is an Air fork so you can dial it in based on your requirements. Put more air in it if you want it to be harder,or let some out and then it will be more plush.I will post some thoughts about it for sure. I have 1000+ km in the bike already.So far it's a nice bike but it's not as well designed as a Sur ron.You can tell that this bike was designed by "low quality" engineer(s) who made stupid decisions there and there.

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by Rix » Mar 10 2019 6:20pm

engate wrote:
Mar 10 2019 3:05pm
benjamin84 wrote:
Mar 10 2019 11:39am
I'd be very interested to hear how that turns out too - I guess you'd have to get a fairly stiff spring on it to cope with the bikes weight?

You don't have to. The Fox 40 Float is an Air fork so you can dial it in based on your requirements. Put more air in it if you want it to be harder,or let some out and then it will be more plush.I will post some thoughts about it for sure. I have 1000+ km in the bike already.So far it's a nice bike but it's not as well designed as a Sur ron.You can tell that this bike was designed by "low quality" engineer(s) who made stupid decisions there and there.

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That may be, but its ride able and neat to boot.

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by benjamin84 » Mar 11 2019 1:49am

engate wrote:
Mar 10 2019 3:05pm
You don't have to. The Fox 40 Float is an Air fork so you can dial it in based on your requirements. Put more air in it if you want it to be harder,or let some out and then it will be more plush.
Makes sense. Expensive set of forks though, so I think I will give the DNM a try this season and see if it is good enough for my use. Good thing about the bike using normal downhill bike components is that much of it can easily be changed later if needed :)
engate wrote:
Mar 10 2019 3:05pm
I will post some thoughts about it for sure. I have 1000+ km in the bike already.So far it's a nice bike but it's not as well designed as a Sur ron.You can tell that this bike was designed by "low quality" engineer(s) who made stupid decisions there and there.
Would be interested to hear more about this - from my winter of looking longingly at the bike and not riding it I get the impression it is pretty solidly put together to be honest. The welds look neat, the packaging is about as tight as you could get for a motor like that, especially considering the whole motor has to rotate while the hub is stationary in order to get the wiring in. If QS did a mid-mount specific version they could certainly have changed quite a bit of the design and made it neater, like the Sur-Ron has done. That said I haven't done more than 3 short rides on it so far, which is hardly enough for a long term review ;)

Pretty much the only thing I don't like so far is the pedal setup. It looks a bit janky with the dual reduction, and being a fixed gear ratio it is only useful once you are moving at a fairly high speed (for a bicycle). That said a gearbox at the same location would have added quite a bit to the price, and Qulbix are working on a set of components to reduce the gear-ratio for those like me who only want to pedal at lower speeds and would like a backup should the battery run out.

Edit: I think we have exactly the same colour combination on the stickers! :)

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by ButchtheBARFdude » Mar 11 2019 8:04pm

New guy here...
I have come across this site, and recently a buddy from Joby said it is the leader for this stuff.
I have two Redshifts, a 2017 MX019 and a 2018 EX006.

They so rock. i sold my KTM250MXC, but still have a 2001 TM 250 2T, and an R6, and. TM 530 BlackDream. And an ATK.
I am not an addict. I could stop anytime.

I am in San Jose CA if anyone is near. We have a bit of an Alta network here.
I will surely make the ReFuel event at Laguna this year.
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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by Rix » Mar 11 2019 8:37pm

ButchtheBARFdude wrote:
Mar 11 2019 8:04pm
New guy here...
I have come across this site, and recently a buddy from Joby said it is the leader for this stuff.
I have two Redshifts, a 2017 MX019 and a 2018 EX006.

They so rock. i sold my KTM250MXC, but still have a 2001 TM 250 2T, and an R6, and. TM 530 BlackDream. And an ATK.
I am not an addict. I could stop anytime.

I am in San Jose CA if anyone is near. We have a bit of an Alta network here.
I will surely make the ReFuel event at Laguna this year.
Welcome to ES Butch. This thread is really small and quiet, but ES itself is HUGE!!!! You could spend 10hrs a day reading past posts for a year and not see it all.

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by Arlo1 » Mar 11 2019 9:47pm

ButchtheBARFdude wrote:
Mar 11 2019 8:04pm
New guy here...
I have come across this site, and recently a buddy from Joby said it is the leader for this stuff.
I have two Redshifts, a 2017 MX019 and a 2018 EX006.

They so rock. i sold my KTM250MXC, but still have a 2001 TM 250 2T, and an R6, and. TM 530 BlackDream. And an ATK.
I am not an addict. I could stop anytime.

I am in San Jose CA if anyone is near. We have a bit of an Alta network here.
I will surely make the ReFuel event at Laguna this year.
Yeah very welcome here. I want to see some take apart pics of the motor and controller :)
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RC and most types of Lithium batteries you MUST know your individual cell voltages charging and discharging.
Don't keep them were you cant afford smoke or fire!
Never above 4.2v never below 2.7v EVER!!!
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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by liveforphysics » Mar 11 2019 10:13pm

ButchtheBARFdude wrote:
Mar 11 2019 8:04pm
New guy here...
I have come across this site, and recently a buddy from Joby said it is the leader for this stuff.
I have two Redshifts, a 2017 MX019 and a 2018 EX006.

They so rock. i sold my KTM250MXC, but still have a 2001 TM 250 2T, and an R6, and. TM 530 BlackDream. And an ATK.
I am not an addict. I could stop anytime.

I am in San Jose CA if anyone is near. We have a bit of an Alta network here.
I will surely make the ReFuel event at Laguna this year.
We will race together at Laguna! Along with a dozen or so other ES members!

I love Joby and Joeben so much!!! Such an amazing team with amazing projects!

Pictures of Alta drivetrain guts!!!
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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by ButchtheBARFdude » Mar 11 2019 11:58pm

Since Alta closed last October we are figuring out how to make all the stuff we need. Fortunately there is a lot of resources here. The DIY community is pretty amazing.
Philip started altaownersforum.com shortly after buying his. He’s like a Fiat Chrysler engineer. The site is filled with geeks who like to take this stuff apart. There are pictures.

I look forward to the next ReFuel. I am a little more knowledgeable than my past visits. I’ll bring my EX.
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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by Arlo1 » Mar 12 2019 9:56am

ButchtheBARFdude wrote:
Mar 11 2019 11:58pm
Since Alta closed last October we are figuring out how to make all the stuff we need. Fortunately there is a lot of resources here. The DIY community is pretty amazing.
Philip started altaownersforum.com shortly after buying his. He’s like a Fiat Chrysler engineer. The site is filled with geeks who like to take this stuff apart. There are pictures.

I look forward to the next ReFuel. I am a little more knowledgeable than my past visits. I’ll bring my EX.
Yeah I just joined the Alta forums. I will volunteer my team for controllers :) Luke was on of the battery guys I was thinking of :) Luke there is a grassroots movement happening to make a Alta kit and we will need battery people :)
My Leaf motor controller build. http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 27#p963227
My YSR build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRo8r5g4NBg
RC and most types of Lithium batteries you MUST know your individual cell voltages charging and discharging.
Don't keep them were you cant afford smoke or fire!
Never above 4.2v never below 2.7v EVER!!!
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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by macribs » Mar 14 2019 11:59pm

Hm a DIY open source Alta, where the community pulls together. I like that. I wish you the best and hope you can gather enough brain power and dedication to hit a home run.

It is really too sad if BPR just will sit on the inventory and patents the picked up from the Alta closing.

I applaud the initiative.

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by Arlo1 » Mar 15 2019 2:12am

macribs wrote:
Mar 14 2019 11:59pm
Hm a DIY open source Alta, where the community pulls together. I like that. I wish you the best and hope you can gather enough brain power and dedication to hit a home run.

It is really too sad if BPR just will sit on the inventory and patents the picked up from the Alta closing.

I applaud the initiative.
The motor was not Owned by Alta.

My team and I can develop a new inverter.
The frame is a challenge but do-able battery is a challenge but the OEM battery was not that good.
Brp does not want to do anything with bikes.
My Leaf motor controller build. http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 27#p963227
My YSR build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRo8r5g4NBg
RC and most types of Lithium batteries you MUST know your individual cell voltages charging and discharging.
Don't keep them were you cant afford smoke or fire!
Never above 4.2v never below 2.7v EVER!!!
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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Mar 15 2019 2:13pm

Bombardier Recreational Products Bought Up Alta Motors Assets To Kickstart Electric Production :

https://jalopnik.com/bombardier-bought- ... 1832915056
some ride & sk8 videos:
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i have nothing for sale.. :)

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Re: Alta Motors Redshift

Post by Arlo1 » Mar 15 2019 3:04pm

efMX Trials Electric Freeride wrote:
Mar 15 2019 2:13pm
Bombardier Recreational Products Bought Up Alta Motors Assets To Kickstart Electric Production :

https://jalopnik.com/bombardier-bought- ... 1832915056
I don't see a lot of Tech worth Owning or I should say worth the effort of buying it.

They are going to need someone who can make things happen a team actually.
This team will have to understand what Alta has done to a level high enough they would be able to develop the Tech or better tech themselves.
My Leaf motor controller build. http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 27#p963227
My YSR build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRo8r5g4NBg
RC and most types of Lithium batteries you MUST know your individual cell voltages charging and discharging.
Don't keep them were you cant afford smoke or fire!
Never above 4.2v never below 2.7v EVER!!!
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