Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

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Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by Grendelkhan » Jan 14 2021 4:42pm

https://sondorsx.com/pages/metacycle
Here you go, they just had their live press release on this bike. 8k rear hub motor, 4000 watt battery, 80 mile range all for the cost of 5k. I like the looks of it and at 5k seems to be a reasonable price.

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Post by LeftieBiker » Jan 14 2021 4:58pm

Shame they don't know "kwh" from "kw."
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Post by Yermommy » Jan 14 2021 6:40pm

This is very promising. I don’t see it being a game changer, the technology is nothing special. The price point is perfect. Hopefully they’ll make a “dirt” version with a better suspension. Maybe there will be a future option to double the battery and I’ll in the empty frame space. They could begin to compete with Zero if the battery was 8kwh.

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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by Grendelkhan » Jan 14 2021 6:44pm

I have sent in questions about the battery size with voltage and ah, who the hub driver maker is, does it have regen braking, and what type of controller it has. I'll post if they answer these questions.

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 14 2021 8:21pm

Grendelkhan wrote:
Jan 14 2021 6:44pm
I have sent in questions about the battery size with voltage and ah, who the hub driver maker is, does it have regen braking, and what type of controller it has. I'll post if they answer these questions.
It's 72v 4000 Kw 200 lb weight

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 14 2021 8:24pm

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 14 2021 8:27pm

For $5000 bucks it beats the crap out of an Onyx.

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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by markz » Jan 14 2021 8:48pm

Hey Theodore Voltaire, how have you been?
We missed you since the last launch of Sondors products, but we all knew you'd be back when Sondors was selling a new product.

Hey Theodore Voltaire, since you are the "unofficial" Sondors company representative, can I ask you how far will the new product go in terms of mileage for one charge?

Theodore Voltaire wrote:
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Post by efMX Trials Electric Freeride » Jan 14 2021 8:56pm

tv is also a stealth superfan and has been here the whole time lol.. :thumb: :P
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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by Grantmac » Jan 14 2021 9:18pm

Yermommy wrote:
Jan 14 2021 6:40pm
This is very promising. I don’t see it being a game changer, the technology is nothing special. The price point is perfect. Hopefully they’ll make a “dirt” version with a better suspension. Maybe there will be a future option to double the battery and I’ll in the empty frame space. They could begin to compete with Zero if the battery was 8kwh.
No point with a hub motor.

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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by Yermommy » Jan 14 2021 10:00pm

Grantmac wrote:
Jan 14 2021 9:18pm
Yermommy wrote:
Jan 14 2021 6:40pm
This is very promising. I don’t see it being a game changer, the technology is nothing special. The price point is perfect. Hopefully they’ll make a “dirt” version with a better suspension. Maybe there will be a future option to double the battery and I’ll in the empty frame space. They could begin to compete with Zero if the battery was 8kwh.
No point with a hub motor.
IF they made a dirt kit, I wouldn't expect anybody to competitively race it. It would just be for the average weekend warriors whose definition of "off-road" means hopping a curb every now and then with the occasional ride down a gravel trail at their local state park. Lots of people on here have built capable dirt bikes with hub motors. Hub motors are not ideal for dirt, but there are lots of great builds that use them.

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 14 2021 11:23pm

All my information about this bike comes from the video I posted above, which I found a few hours ago. My impression is this bike is strictly a street bike, which makes sense to me, because if you want to sell a lot of motorcycles they need to be street bikes. This is a light weight city commuter bike with capability to ride on a highway for short distances. I assume 55 amp hours @ 72v 8000w with 14,000w peak. 200 lb curb weight? Claimed $5000 price, and 80 mph top speed.

What's not to like? This is like a bigger faster Onyx for only a few hundred more dollars. Riding around town I would expect at least 40 to 50 miles range, but riding at speed on the highway probably more like 20 miles, just a guess. For this power level I think a hub motor is a good choice. I like low maintenance hub motors, but there's limit how far you can go without some form of cooling, and this is probably pushing the envelope.

Personally I'm happy with my Stealth because I can ride it at will in traffic without registration, and I don't really need to go on a highway. I have a 35 ah battery so my range is probably comparable, considering my 4500w and 120 lb curb weight, and I can keep up with traffic now so I don't see a huge advantage for myself. I think this bike would be well suited for someone that lives in a more restrictive area were registration would become desirable, and occasional 80 mph top speed is a trade off for the hassle of licensing. I agree with the reviewer that this bike fills a void in the middle between smaller, lower powered bikes like Onyx, and Sur Ron, and larger more powerful eMotorcycles costing twice as much or more. Being as familiar with Sondors products as I am, I expect this will be a pretty good bike, but that remains to be seen, just like any other new bike that comes out. When they become available and I find out more about them I'll let you know what owners think about them.

Considering that the seat looks like a motorcycle version of a ass hatchet, the range is probably good enough lol.

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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by fechter » Jan 15 2021 9:27am

At least it looks pretty cool. We'll have to wait until somebody (we trust) actually test rides one. There's room in the frame for more batteries :wink:
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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 15 2021 10:42am

This article has a little additional information.

https://jalopnik.com/the-sondors-metacy ... 1846060600

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 15 2021 11:11am

This is a link to the Sondors sight

https://sondorsx.com/pages/metacycle

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 15 2021 11:22am

31.5" seat height looks pretty good. For comparison that's about 1.5" lower than the seat height my bike, but my seat has padding.

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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by SunCoaster » Jan 15 2021 4:49pm

Here's a good image of the metacycle along with the coming soon 3-wheel and the Fold ebike:

https://sondorsx.com/

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Post by LeftieBiker » Jan 15 2021 5:21pm

Speaking of padding, that new bike looks like whoever designed the seat thought it was going to be a Trials bike. Fail.
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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by c70r » Jan 15 2021 8:20pm

I honestly don't understand the hype as it's not really game changing nor it's market position or even it's design.

Design:
Essentially useless area in the frame which could have been used for greater capacity or at a minimum future OEM upgradability.
A hub motor "motorcycle" will never be on par with a true mid-motor motorcycle.
Weird seat style for its intention.
Honestly seems like the designer used a mountain bike running a hub motor for his inspiration.

Market position:
Won't sell in Europe because it can't be ridden on a 125cc/150cc license. If you have an A2 or full license might as well get something a lot more powerful.

I know I know, but the price.
For the price I'll forgive the hub motor but I honestly think they shot their own foot with the "futuristic" or whatever they want to call it design. Could have given it internal storage which would be a huge selling point or advertise some sort of range extender at an extra price.

It's definitely going to sell especially when compared to the horrible examples other manufacturers are producing at abhorrent prices.

Sondorsx, if you ever see this post.
Make another with an 11kW continuous motor with a hub motor designed to achieve 65mph top speed, modify the chassis design to allow OEM upgradability such as a range extender that serves as internal storage by default and I promise you they will sell like hot cakes in Europe at least. Would be on the limits of A1/L3e license capability while undercutting every single other choice by price & design (storage/range extender).

Edit:
Also what's with the website itself as well as all the news articles of this bike quoting the power in kWh :mrgreen:

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 15 2021 10:06pm

This is probably the best one yet

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Post by LeftieBiker » Jan 16 2021 12:27am

"Sondors: We put our engineering skill into our frame. The rest of the bike is ok, too!"
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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Jan 16 2021 9:36am

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Post by LeftieBiker » Jan 16 2021 1:28pm

"Imperial data"??? Geez... What the bike needs is a real damned seat. The app isn't a bad idea, either.
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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by JimVonBaden » Jan 16 2021 2:14pm

I like it a lot. Being a lifelong motorcycle rider, this bike has significant visual appeal, reasonable power and range, and the price is good.

That said, there are a few things about the bike that are pure concept. The headlight with the built in turn signals would not pass, nor will the rear light and signals, especially in the US. The seat will never make the cut to production either. Mirrors are too small, and I will bet that it will have rear passenger foot pegs. Rear fender will not go in any country, plus no license plate holder.

But, if they can keep it close to the look, and fix the few issues, I would buy it in a heartbeat!

Oh, and that cool hole, you just know they will have a battery to fit that and extend range, at a $1000 more, which I would also buy.

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Re: Sondors x new bike the Metacycle

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Jan 16 2021 7:31pm

JimVonBaden wrote:
Jan 16 2021 2:14pm
... plus no license plate holder...
Well, at least there certainly is a license plate holder as shown in the many photos of the bike.
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