Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

General Discussion about large electric scooters and motorcycles and other things with no pedals.

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Apr 29 2014 1:20am

"China's Knockoff Electric Carmakers"
http://content.time.com/time/video/play ... 65,00.html

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Aug 03 2014 1:25pm

Attachments
2014_Chin_ Cycle_tianjin_ebike_show_2014_lifan_tianjin_IMG_6662.JPG
2014_Chin_ Cycle_tianjin_ebike_show_2014_lifan_tianjin_IMG_6662.JPG (118.89 KiB) Viewed 929 times
Last edited by sk8norcal on Aug 03 2014 11:14pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Aug 03 2014 2:16pm

nanjing,
ebike traffic violators must either pay fine or stay for one hour "re-education" by the side of the road.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzQ5NDgxNDky.html


=====
cops enforcing "no passenger" rule,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQpILuAr1w8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpeNxoRO3ls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSLMwbNN5dQ

==========

jackie chan in escooter ad,
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzQ4MzI2NzY0.html
Last edited by sk8norcal on Jan 02 2015 1:45am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Jan 01 2015 3:36pm

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2014/1 ... ss-growth/

Posted by Dave McMullan On December 04, 2014

China’s Electric Two-Wheel Progress

One of the effects of the ban on traditionally powered motorcycles in China’s urban centers is the growth of the electric scooter, electric motorcycle and electric bicycle industry.

This growth has had a noticeable effect on the export of EV and the research and development of new technologies attached to it.

After coming out of a difficult economic time, demand for Chinese produced electric powered two-wheelers (e-PTW) (electric motorcycles [e-motorcycles] and electric scooters [e-scooters]), has been increasing gradually over the last few years.

On the export market, sales volumes are always likely to be lower than the traditionally powered 2-wheelers, due to the continued higher costs for better quality components and the lower levels of demand yet the market seems poised for growth in many countries and regions and this is reflected in the increase in product quality and the number of electric vehicle suppliers that are able to manufacture EV to export quality.

China now has an in excess of 130 million “e-bikes” (electric bicycles, scooters and motorcycles) on its town and city roads creating enormous EV production bases with over 2000 separate companies producing electric vehicles and parts in areas such as Wuxi (which has a business park that it the biggest center for the production and research and development of electric bikes in the world).

The majority of these manufacturers produce principally for the home markets although a noteworthy minority has manufactured EV’s of export quality and in 2013, 579,000 electric bikes and scooters were manufactured in China for the export market.

Export represents fewer than 3 percent of total Chinese EV production but the development is shifting with several of the top tier EV manufacturers choosing to devote a good chunk of their research and development budgets on improving the charge and range capabilities of the lithium ion batteries that have replaced the lead acid batteries of previous generations.

In terms of sheer numbers the electric scooter, motorcycle and bicycle production market is led by the Chinese industry. China is the country where the most electric bikes (of all sorts) are manufactured and sold and this has its own effect on the export market.

The Chinese electric motorcycle industry has been targeting the European market over the last few years and has had considerable success in Holland with imports over one hundred thousand electric scooters and bicycles from China every year.

One of the problems is that out of the dozens of Chinese electric bike manufacturers, only a handful has the technological nous to produce products suitable for the western markets. Summer He of China E-Vehicle explains “In the past Chinese electric bikes have not had the ranges suitable for the type of commuter travel distances necessary for London, New York, Paris etc.

Another factor is the availability of charging points in major cities, they aren’t really totally geared up for longer distance electric travel and anyone riding a standard Chinese EV scooter may well find themselves without enough range to get either to the next power charging point or to their destination.

This is something that’s being addressed by the bigger and more progressive EV manufacturers such as Yadea who are one of the leading electric bike makers in the world now; we are hoping that others may follow their lead to make the Chinese EV industry as a whole more competitive in markets outside of Asia.”

The Chinese EV industry is hoping that its relative success in Holland will be followed by further successes in other EU countries. Summer He continues “it’s the top European Union countries such as the UK, France, Belgium and Germany that the more technologically savvy Chinese electric bike makers want to target as they tend to have a more progressive attitude to environmental issues that other less affluent countries have.

“This is in stark contrast to the traditionally powered two wheeler factories who are more likely to target Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and similar countries in which the vogue for all things ‘environmentally friendly’ has not reached the heights of that in what we would call more ‘western’ countries.”

Although Yadea are typically considered the flagship EV brand in China it is one of the giant Chongqing motorcycle manufacturers that leads the way in terms of research, development and marketing. Zongshen have developed an electric racing bike which is taking world records and winning world championships.

On August 8, the MotoE racing championship was held in Assen, Holland; Zongshen’s ZSE002R led from start to finish. The following day saw Zongshen win the sprint race with consummate ease.

China EV magazine recently published a report by Navigant Research which forecasted that global annual sales of e-motorcycles will grow from 1.2 million vehicles in 2014 to 1.4 million in 2023, while sales of e-scooters will grow from 4.1 million to 4.6 million.

China’s EV push into export markets is reflected in its noticeable presence at exhibitions both in China and internationally. Canton fair (held in Guangzhou every year in April and October), which is only for the export market, features over 20 different EV manufacturers and China’s more traditional 2 wheel expo CIMAmotor has seen an increase in EV exhibitors over the last 3 years. On foreign shores the Chinese EV finery can be seen the Las Vegas EV expo (when held) and at Eurobike in Germany.

For the biggest increase of exhibited electric bikes a visit to the huge Bicycle Trade Expo (China Cycle in Shanghai in June) is a must as EV now takes up a significant proportion of this expo that has been for many years a showcase of Chinese made bicycles and attracts over 200,000 visitors. Anyone wishing to visit the Shanghai show (or Canton fair) can write to me for further information at the usual address.

User avatar
Kent   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 382
Joined: Jun 04 2011 3:14pm
Location: Vermont, USA

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by Kent » Jan 01 2015 8:26pm

SK8NORCAL once again thanks for keeping us up to date on what's happening in China. A great educational read!

A couple of things caught my eye and got my mind to thinking. There are some references to "export quality" and the higher costs associated with that (!). I wonder how they would define what "export quality" is ?

With 130 million e-bikes currently on the road in China, does "domestic" quality mean that they are all riding around on the rims and spokes that we here in the west find to be so dismal? :?:

Clearly they don't consider products designed and sold for their domestic market to be cheap junk.

Well maybe Chinese domestic products are indeed overall better quality then we envision. Perhaps one of the factors in why we frequently receive low quality products is because western buyers go overseas primarily searching for price and Chinese manufacturers who export to the west are geared into that. How many? Very cheap.

How many of our suppliers brag about the exceptional design, quality of materials and craftsmanship that go into their products? Very few. I would guess a majority have their noses stuck behind their calculators reviewing their profit margins.

my 2c
72 V, (2x36v, 11.5 ah in series) Cellman, HS3540, 18fet Lyen, Jamis Dirtjumper Hardtail. Its streetlegal w license plate, inspection sticker.

Only by setting an example of good road manners and public courtesy can we convince the general public to take the electric bike seriously as a transportation option. Obey traffic laws!

My build: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=45706
Going legal: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =3&t=49390

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Jan 01 2015 9:47pm

thanks Kent!
With 130 million e-bikes currently on the road in China, does "domestic" quality mean that they are all riding around on the rims and spokes that we here in the west find to be so dismal? :?:
that's the thing, they are not riding e-bicycles.

from the videos I been posting, most eveyone is on e-scooters,
my guess is that 90+% of the 130 million "e-bikes" are e-scooters
130 million “e-bikes” (electric bicycles, scooters and motorcycles)

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Jan 03 2015 2:32pm

"e-bikes" getting plates in Sichuan.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODYyMTcwNDEy.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODYyOTQ1MTky.html

"e-bikes" getting plates in Nanjing
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk2NDI5OTIw.html

"e-bikes" getting plates in Shanghai
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzcwMzQxNTQ4.html


电动自行车上牌

User avatar
Kent   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 382
Joined: Jun 04 2011 3:14pm
Location: Vermont, USA

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by Kent » Jan 03 2015 5:37pm

sk8norcal wrote:"e-bikes" getting plates in Sichuan.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODYyMTcwNDEy.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODYyOTQ1MTky.html

"e-bikes" getting plates in Nanjing
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk2NDI5OTIw.html

"e-bikes" getting plates in Shanghai
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzcwMzQxNTQ4.html


电动自行车上牌
Yeah your right. Scooter city.

It looks like the DMV is the same everywhere except their forms look alot simpler.

I wonder how tough it would be to try to register a high power home made e-bike?
72 V, (2x36v, 11.5 ah in series) Cellman, HS3540, 18fet Lyen, Jamis Dirtjumper Hardtail. Its streetlegal w license plate, inspection sticker.

Only by setting an example of good road manners and public courtesy can we convince the general public to take the electric bike seriously as a transportation option. Obey traffic laws!

My build: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=45706
Going legal: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =3&t=49390

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Jan 04 2015 2:44pm

if you cheat, it's probably easy :wink:
bring 24v to register, and back to 100v when u get home. :D

from what i understand,
the two criteria are speed and weight.
The national law is 20km top speed / 40 kg weight limit (I did see a 48v limit in some local defintion)
which probably 90% of the scooters are non-conforming.
There was some talk of changing the speed/weight limit.

from the above videos, it looks like they are giving plates for non-conforming e-scooters as well.
(there is one old guy in the video with the junky looking e-bicycle, and they were saying he got the first plate for a "conforming" e-bicycle)


here's my other thread on this topic,

China ebikes/escooters, license/ban/confiscation/law
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =3&t=34872

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Mar 21 2015 10:53pm

Guigang/贵港


User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » May 14 2015 12:53am

wuyang honda prinz
http://www.wuyang-honda.com/
五羊本田

Wuyang-HONDA Motorcycle(Guangzhou) Co.,Ltd is a joint venture formed by Guangzhou Motor Group Co.and Japan HONDA Technology Development Kabuskiki Kaisha together on Aug.1992. The contract term is 30 years. China and Japan share respectively 50% of the registered capital of $30,000,000.


===


User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Jun 05 2015 2:16am

Changsha, China.


4LivesPerGallon   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 305
Joined: Jul 02 2015 5:12pm

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by 4LivesPerGallon » Jul 03 2015 10:42am

Thanks for the links. Extremely informative, especially the Time video on Chinese electric cars' small-scale industry. Love their resilience and tenacity.

4LivesPerGallon   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 305
Joined: Jul 02 2015 5:12pm

I cannot find the Time magazine video clip of the "clone" sm

Post by 4LivesPerGallon » Jul 09 2015 1:12pm

I cannot find the Time magazine video clip of the "clone" small car business in China.

Could someone please post that link, here? Thanks in advance.

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Jul 09 2015 11:39pm

?? 2nd post on this page?




4LivesPerGallon   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 305
Joined: Jul 02 2015 5:12pm

People are relaxed, perhaps spiritually, as well.

Post by 4LivesPerGallon » Jul 22 2015 12:22pm

Even though the traffic/people are "chaotic" in China (not Taiwan, land of the Gogoro speed nutz) , the people/drivers are actually civil, to each other.

There is no covert or overt agression, imo.

People are relaxed, perhaps spiritually, as well.

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Jul 22 2015 10:08pm

^ maybe for the escooter riders,
not sure about the car drivers.
Road rage is probably less common
(I did see a recent video where a guy dragged a woman out of her car and kicked her in the head)

I am assuming this is what you gathered from looking at these videos, not first hand experience?

interesting link here, (some info on e-scooters at the end)
http://wikitravel.org/en/Driving_in_China

4LivesPerGallon   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 305
Joined: Jul 02 2015 5:12pm

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by 4LivesPerGallon » Jul 23 2015 1:38am

Yup, gleaned from watching your video links.

Here's a snip from the link in your last post:

The Mindset of a Chinese driver

Another point to understand driving in China is that there are lots of people and that affects how they interact with each other. For example, when buying tickets, instead of lining up in an orderly queue, they crowd around and push their way in. In the Canada, if this happened, a fight would start. In China, they just go about their business.


4LivesPerGallon   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 305
Joined: Jul 02 2015 5:12pm

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by 4LivesPerGallon » Oct 07 2015 10:49am

I hope that the NIU N1 $800 electric scooters will be sold in North America someday soon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WDh4SGL1FM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CehrdG2tsY



Even Honda now has an electric scooter on the streets of Asia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtJjBXZjpFw

User avatar
sk8norcal   100 MW

100 MW
Posts: 2991
Joined: May 16 2010 5:29am
Location: San Jose, CA
Contact:

Re: Motorcycles and E-scooters in China

Post by sk8norcal » Oct 07 2015 11:45pm

4LivesPerGallon wrote:
Even Honda now has an electric scooter on the streets of Asia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtJjBXZjpFw

I posted about that somewhere in this thread,
It's not really a true "honda"

search "wuyang honda"

edit,
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... a#p1046434

speaking of honda,
http://insideevs.com/quick-look-honda-e ... pt-photos/

Post Reply