New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

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New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by SHiFT » Jan 15 2012 3:08pm

Hi guys,

I know this is near-sacrilege on Endless Sphere, but I got a great deal on an I.C.E. scooter called a Sachs MadAss 125, and I'm not planning to e-convert it...

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I have been sorta secretly hoping someone else would convert one - maybe someone has and I missed it?

Anyway, just wanted to share, cuz I was excited to get it and thought maybe some of you hadn't ever heard of these before.

If you haven't heard of these, they are 4-stroke with a 4-speed transmission, not auto like most scooters. Rated at 8hp, not much. About $2200 brand new at a dealer. Even at $2200 they are cheap, but you can find knock-offs for as little as $1200.

Not your typical scooter look. Personally this is much better than a typical scooter which makes you look like "an old lady sitting on a toilet" as I once read somewhere.

Thanks for looking,

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by neptronix » Jan 15 2012 3:14pm

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by SHiFT » Jan 15 2012 5:42pm

Hah. Maybe I went about it the wrong way then cuz my bike cost me about $3400: Complete running bike, Recumpence components, batteries, charger + PSU, ancillaries. I'm into $4,000 total investment if I count my screwups and tools...

And my bike isn't even done.

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by Hillhater » Jan 15 2012 5:52pm

The "MadAss" has a lot of good points for a powerful Emoped..
Strong frame
full suspension
Strong Brakes
tough wheels & big tires

...But, it does have a few drawbacks also..
,,heavy frame
no bodywork to hide the battery and electrical components

If it were me, i would swap out the motor for one of those 20hp "pit bike" versions ..and just ride it for fun ! :lol:
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by Whiplash » Jan 16 2012 9:22am

I wish the US got those cool moped ish motocross bikes like the Greyborg guy just electrified! Those are much cooler looking in my opinion, but this one is nice as far as US stuff goes!
Power is a fascinating thing, the more you have, the more you want, but the real power is having the restraint not to use it all at once...............Um...Yeah..

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by sk8norcal » Jan 18 2012 3:52am

^ they are called supermoto or supermotard,
http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/1365/ ... ger-125-sm
(KTM have a electric one called the Freeride)

I dig the MadAss, more moped than scooter.
havent seen an electric one,
but there's other electric mopeds on here...
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by Lebowski » Jan 18 2012 3:55am

Ah that takes me back to my moped days, the madass has the same
motor as my old Honda C50 Super Cub

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by Whiplash » Jan 18 2012 9:13am

sk8norcal wrote:^ they are called supermoto or supermotard,
http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/1365/ ... ger-125-sm
(KTM have a electric one called the Freeride)

I dig the MadAss, more moped than scooter.
havent seen an electric one,
but there's other electric mopeds on here...

Are these available in the US? Sorry about the hijack!
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by sk8norcal » Jan 18 2012 3:52pm

^ the 125cc supermoto ?
I dont think any of the quality brands import them... only the larger cc's

maybe chinese ones, search "chinese supermoto 125cc"


edit:
SACHS X-Road 125cc conversion,
http://plugbike.com/2010/07/30/native-x ... prototype/

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by StudEbiker » Jan 18 2012 4:03pm

There's been one of those for sale in my town for awhile and it looks pretty cool and I have been interested, but all my transportation dollars go to e-bikes these days. :)

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by SHiFT » Jan 19 2012 1:19am

Thanks for the comments. Yeah, I am a big fan of KTM's 125cc duke, and but it's not available in the US, and would probably be around $6-7K if it was.

The freeride is cool, and I would really like to buy a Husqvarna e-Go. But again, none of that stuff is available. My MadAss cost me only $1800, so I figured it'd was probably amongst the best bang-for-buck options on the US market.

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by Hillhater » Jan 19 2012 3:16am

I guess you know there is a ton of tune up kits for those "Honda cub" style , horizontal 4 strokes as used in the Madass.
The Mini Moto /pit Bike racers all use them and they can get some impressive outputs..( 25+bhp !?)
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by SHiFT » Jan 20 2012 11:47am

Yeah, aside from head kits that bump your capacity up to as much as 180cc or so, you can swap in a few different motors, a cub motor being one option. Should be fun to tinker with, but I aam going to wait until I'm bored with the stock configuration before I consider or attempt any mods like that.

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by heathyoung » Feb 02 2012 8:01pm

They are a lifan motor or something from memory - on fleabay all the time.
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by dkw12002 » Feb 06 2012 7:10pm

These 125-250 motorbikes and scooters are great fun. Modern scooters are fantastic machines too, although I don't mind shifting. I do have to remember what I am on or I will squeeze the rear brake on my scooter thinking it is a clutch. Worse yet is to grab for the left brake handle on the Zero before realizing there isn't one.

The Madass reminds me of the Honda Ruckus a little.

It is amazing the range of power available..pedal only, hybrid e-bikes, electric and gas-powered motorcycles and scooters. I love them all. A 50 cc scooter is great fun too. You can ride them wide open throttle nearly all the time and they seem to love it. Very practical transportation too.

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by wineboyrider » Feb 20 2013 7:47pm

Lebowski wrote:Ah that takes me back to my moped days, the madass has the same
motor as my old Honda C50 Super Cub
3 times the bore cylinder!
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by Aaron Andrusko » Mar 07 2013 9:27pm

I'm doing an electric conversion on a madass 125.
Cut out the bottom of the fuel tank member and installing headways.
Sevcon gen4 where the muffler was mounted. Cromotor.
Should be a hoot.

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by Drunkskunk » Mar 09 2013 4:53pm

Aaron Andrusko wrote:I'm doing an electric conversion on a madass 125.
Cut out the bottom of the fuel tank member and installing headways.
Sevcon gen4 where the muffler was mounted. Cromotor.
Should be a hoot.
This I can't wait to see.
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by Dauntless » Mar 10 2013 4:19pm

wineboyrider wrote:
Lebowski wrote:Ah that takes me back to my moped days, the madass has the same
motor as my old Honda C50 Super Cub
3 times the bore cylinder!
There is, or at least was a 50cc Madass. I've got one of the engines laying around useless after I was burned by an eBay seller who called it "Complete" with a photo but decided to keep the CDI and even waited on shipping to push the comment time to expire. Just plain takes the fun out of things.
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by NeilP » Mar 10 2013 4:40pm

I almost bought a 50cc one, and wanted to convert it to the 100 or so cc. but they only did an 80cc kit.

I saw the 125 the other day, and thought it a bit of a big bike ..bit heavy for a 125, but the 50cc frame with the 125 motor or electrify the 50cc version ..that would be a good bike
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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by grindz145 » Mar 10 2013 8:25pm

The 50 is amazingly slow even with the transmission. My friend offered to sell me one for 500 bucks. I just can't do much with a 30mph loud little bike. My ebike is alot more valuable. I've seen guys with GY160 motor conversions. They're actually really compelling. 80+mpg and 60+ mph. Still a tinker toy, but a cool little bike if you ask me.

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by SHiFT » Mar 23 2013 11:50am

I ended up selling the thing about a month ago.

The bike was fun, but I tired quickly of the low power, and sorta feeling oversized for the thing. The KTM 390 Duke that's coming later in the year caught my eye, so I thought I'd dump this MadAss and save up for one of those.

I'm not a speed demon, and I was certainly following traffic laws, but eventually, you don't want to have to hold it at WOT just to keep up with traffic, looking like the little engine that could all the while.

Maybe if I already had a primary bike, and this was just to tinker with and tool around on, that'd be different, but as a serious motorcycle, it just didn't make the cut for me. Great first bike, but now I want an upgrade.

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by sk8norcal » Apr 07 2013 1:36pm

Shift, still ride that ebike?

check this,
mini madass

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Re: New toy - Sachs MadAss 125cc

Post by SHiFT » Apr 28 2013 10:48am

Hah. That is pretty awesome. But no, don't ride it anymore. Sold it to a guy who, literally, immediately put a 201cc pit bike engine in it.

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