ElectronMan
1 mW
Greetings,
I bought a not-so-used (130km) 2012 XPn for $1400, which was a steal considering it was in a showroom condition and the battery was well kept. Lucky for me, the guy lived a few blocks from me, near Ottawa's IKEA.
Click on each picture for a larger version.
Since I had 4 new 12V 22AH SLA batteries, I decided to put them in parallel with the existing 4x12V 20AH batteries for extra range.
After charging them individually, I hooked them up and used expanded polyurethane foam ($7 @HomeDepot) and nothing will ever move these lead weights. It's very easy to take out with a large kitchen knife when the time comes. I uses left over household wire from electric dryer wiring. I think is 8 AWG, composed of 7 strands conductors (Red, Black, White) and a separate solid copper ground wire. A lot cheaper ($0) than buying wires. I am pretty sure they are at least twice as hefty as what is currently being used.
before:
I cut the rear wall out.
and after:
Does anyone have a more detailed and complete wiring info? It will save me hours trying to find what goes where on the small signal wires?
I don't like the way the current controller's throttle responds. Or should I say the inability to keep a steady or linear speed movement. Also I would like to be able to go to Li batteries when these fatsos die. Speaking of fatsos, I weight 210 lbs and the batteries are around 120 lbs. That's one fat pig of a scooter! The range I got from the original setup was about 40 Km on the economy setting. about 20 Km on speed setting which did about 45Kph. Now I get about 60 Km on Torque setting which goes around 40 Kph.
Hard to tell with the crappy stock speedometer, so I checked with 2 different GPS makes and they both showed that the speedometer was 2-3 km faster than actual. which isn't a big deal.
I got in touch with motorino and asked for a wiring diagram! They must have had a good giggle! They said they don't, but sent me this crap as an official motorino knowledge base.
View attachment XPWiringDiagram.pdf
I asked the guy "What does the factory use to wire the scooters? From memory?" the guy tells me "that's all we have" :x
Well, I wanted to say "maybe you could contact the factory and ask them to email or fax you a copy?", but then realized, the whole story of any part of this scooter was designed in Canada, is bogus. I am beginning to think that some Chinese company copied the Yamaha Vino 125 chassis and converted them to electric with new fiberglass panel designs and are selling them to whomever fulfills factory's quotas. I bet If I knew which company, I could approach them and ask them for the exact same thing but with a different name. I was thinking 100 units a month should do it. Not an expensive new business to start!?
That would explain why Motorino Canada does not even have a wiring diagram. The Factory won't give it out. The Chinese copycat factory is afraid that someone will copy them if they gave out this sort of detailed info.
Has anyone in the XP family owners, experienced front rotor warping?
Mine has warped now and I hardly ever used the front brakes and the regen slows down the bike so much that I could come to a stop the "Fred Flintstone's" way.
The wobble when braking is very slight, but enough to bug me.
I think my next order of business is to take all the paneling off (again) and attack the wires with a multimeter and tag the wires before messing with it and figure out what the hell am I dealing with, before I dive in and find the pool empty halfway in the air.
I am a retired electrical engineer. In my 30 years, I only got to design about half a dozen H-Bridge controllers but they were all for brushed DC and under 50 Amps.
Did a bit of training using the Microchip's BLDC motor kit for the PIC18. These boards where for educational purposes and only handled 1/2 Amp. So, I am quite familiar with small scale hardware. Which mind you, with the right FETS and FET drivers, you can get any power you want, as long as you don't go over the limit of the output stage's design specs.
I could use your experience if you've done a conversion with a Kelly controller (KEB72451X) or if you can comment your ideas and experiences with your conversion.
I am curious to see what would stop working? Any of you around the west end of Ottawa?
I bought a not-so-used (130km) 2012 XPn for $1400, which was a steal considering it was in a showroom condition and the battery was well kept. Lucky for me, the guy lived a few blocks from me, near Ottawa's IKEA.
Click on each picture for a larger version.
Since I had 4 new 12V 22AH SLA batteries, I decided to put them in parallel with the existing 4x12V 20AH batteries for extra range.
After charging them individually, I hooked them up and used expanded polyurethane foam ($7 @HomeDepot) and nothing will ever move these lead weights. It's very easy to take out with a large kitchen knife when the time comes. I uses left over household wire from electric dryer wiring. I think is 8 AWG, composed of 7 strands conductors (Red, Black, White) and a separate solid copper ground wire. A lot cheaper ($0) than buying wires. I am pretty sure they are at least twice as hefty as what is currently being used.
before:
I cut the rear wall out.
and after:
Does anyone have a more detailed and complete wiring info? It will save me hours trying to find what goes where on the small signal wires?
I don't like the way the current controller's throttle responds. Or should I say the inability to keep a steady or linear speed movement. Also I would like to be able to go to Li batteries when these fatsos die. Speaking of fatsos, I weight 210 lbs and the batteries are around 120 lbs. That's one fat pig of a scooter! The range I got from the original setup was about 40 Km on the economy setting. about 20 Km on speed setting which did about 45Kph. Now I get about 60 Km on Torque setting which goes around 40 Kph.
Hard to tell with the crappy stock speedometer, so I checked with 2 different GPS makes and they both showed that the speedometer was 2-3 km faster than actual. which isn't a big deal.
I got in touch with motorino and asked for a wiring diagram! They must have had a good giggle! They said they don't, but sent me this crap as an official motorino knowledge base.
View attachment XPWiringDiagram.pdf
I asked the guy "What does the factory use to wire the scooters? From memory?" the guy tells me "that's all we have" :x
Well, I wanted to say "maybe you could contact the factory and ask them to email or fax you a copy?", but then realized, the whole story of any part of this scooter was designed in Canada, is bogus. I am beginning to think that some Chinese company copied the Yamaha Vino 125 chassis and converted them to electric with new fiberglass panel designs and are selling them to whomever fulfills factory's quotas. I bet If I knew which company, I could approach them and ask them for the exact same thing but with a different name. I was thinking 100 units a month should do it. Not an expensive new business to start!?
That would explain why Motorino Canada does not even have a wiring diagram. The Factory won't give it out. The Chinese copycat factory is afraid that someone will copy them if they gave out this sort of detailed info.
Has anyone in the XP family owners, experienced front rotor warping?
Mine has warped now and I hardly ever used the front brakes and the regen slows down the bike so much that I could come to a stop the "Fred Flintstone's" way.
The wobble when braking is very slight, but enough to bug me.
I think my next order of business is to take all the paneling off (again) and attack the wires with a multimeter and tag the wires before messing with it and figure out what the hell am I dealing with, before I dive in and find the pool empty halfway in the air.
I am a retired electrical engineer. In my 30 years, I only got to design about half a dozen H-Bridge controllers but they were all for brushed DC and under 50 Amps.
Did a bit of training using the Microchip's BLDC motor kit for the PIC18. These boards where for educational purposes and only handled 1/2 Amp. So, I am quite familiar with small scale hardware. Which mind you, with the right FETS and FET drivers, you can get any power you want, as long as you don't go over the limit of the output stage's design specs.
I could use your experience if you've done a conversion with a Kelly controller (KEB72451X) or if you can comment your ideas and experiences with your conversion.
I am curious to see what would stop working? Any of you around the west end of Ottawa?
been a while for me since I have been working with ccts
They take orders first, then order it from the real factory and ship it to you when he gets it.
