2010 Zero gauge cluster pin-out

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Does anyone know if there's a pin-out diagram for the Zero 2008-2013 gauge clusters? (This type: https://i.imgur.com/DyxPOHT.jpg)

I reached out to Zero directly, but chances are they had a 3rd party building these for them. Anyone have any ideas on how this thing pins-out and whether I can hook it to any random CAN-bus controller?
 
That's a Koso RX-1N

https://kosonorthamerica.com/shop/motorcycle-mx/rx-1n/

And here's the "pinout", which you'll have to reverse-engineer:

https://kosonorthamerica.com/instructions/BA011B02.pdf

BTW, this is a great Zero resource:

http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual
 
Mattbastard said:
That's a Koso RX-1N

https://kosonorthamerica.com/shop/motorcycle-mx/rx-1n/

And here's the "pinout", which you'll have to reverse-engineer:

https://kosonorthamerica.com/instructions/BA011B02.pdf

BTW, this is a great Zero resource:

http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Unofficial_Service_Manual

Awesome! thanks so much! I'll probably just end up writing myself an arduino program to convert the CAN on the controller to what I need for the gauges.
 
You're welcome

Be advised, on my 2011 XU a lot of the information between everything on the bike went thru the MBB (which I tossed in the trash on my build). Depending on your build you may be better off wiring direct between speedo and whatever device you're measuring. Heads up on the battery voltage level indicator though, that requires a resistance level to read properly and I have no idea how to convert a battery pack voltage into a resistance.

If you figure it out, please let me know.
 
Mattbastard said:
I have no idea how to convert a battery pack voltage into a resistance.
some info on that; probably the best documented / easiest is the Maxim solution
https://www.google.com/search?q=voltage+to+resistance+converter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
 
amberwolf said:
Mattbastard said:
I have no idea how to convert a battery pack voltage into a resistance.
some info on that; probably the best documented / easiest is the Maxim solution
https://www.google.com/search?q=voltage+to+resistance+converter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Sweet! Now how's a mechanical engineer go about making that up? :oops:

I suppose a blank PCB with them two chips is a start? I can solder, that I've got down. I'll have to get my pack voltage down to reasonable levels with a voltage divider cause I assume them chips can't take 105VDC.
 
Mattbastard said:
I suppose a blank PCB with them two chips is a start? I can solder, that I've got down. I'll have to get my pack voltage down to reasonable levels with a voltage divider cause I assume them chips can't take 105VDC.
You can power it off a "cigarette lighter USB charger" that runs off the bike's lighting DC-DC, if there's no 5V power source in the existing bike's electronics.


PDf with the circuit and operational description.
http://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN3284.pdf

You'd need to make a PCB for it cuz they're tiny parts (SOT23, surface mount). Unless you're really good at point to point wiring and have much better eyes and less shaky hands than I do. :oops:

The specific parts listed in that appnote are either 50kohm, 100kohm, or 200kohm. If the resistance you need it different, there are other digipot chips; you'd have to see if they can be used the same way.


Also you'll need an oscillator, probably run it at 5khz as that's middle of the range. Google 555 timer in astable multivibrator mode to get a bunch of pages with circuits to use to make the oscillator. Or if there's a clock signal on the bike's electronics with the right frequency you can use that.

There's a signal "lock" that has to be grounded to change the pot's value, but leaving it grounded makes the pot toggle constantly between two values. If it's a fast enough toggle (high enough clock frequency) it may not matter. It depends on what you're doing with the resistance (what is controlling it and what it controls) as to how you'll want to implement the lock signal.

On the bike right now, what specifically is controlled by the resistance? How is the resistance controlled?
 
Wow, I really appreciate the answer there but in all honesty, only about 25% of it I actually understand.

I know what a resistor is and what ohm's are
I know what a 555 timer is but not how to use it

That's about it.

Right now the "fuel level sensor" on the Koso gauge is designed to read a decreasing resistance based on bike manufacturer from 100 ohms to zero. This is because that's how the fuel level senders work in a fuel tank. Since we don't have tanks, somehow Zero did some magic like you're talking about so their FMB (fuckin' magic board) that controls the whole bike replicates this resistance probably exactly like how you're describing it. My problem is I ditched the FMB (actually called the MBB) because it's a glitchy POS (you can figure this one out) and electric motorcycles don't need it to begin with.
 
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