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3D Plastic Printer

Post by marty » Jun 29, 2015 8:31 am

Want to have a flange made from plastic. Drew it with eMachineShop Free CAD Design Software. Easy to learn software.
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Material - plastic any color.
Strength does not have to be super strong. Should not break if you drop it.
Quantity - One to see how it looks. 10 to 40 after that depending on price. Possibly more?
Dimensions in inches:
Base 8 x 8
Height 2.5
Inside dimension of hole 3.125 x 3.125

Who has a 3D Plastic Printer and is looking for a job? I know where to find metal fabrication shops and wood millwork shops. Where are the plastic people?

Found this web site http://www.makexyz.com/ Uploaded STL file. Waiting for a quote from a local plastic printing guy.

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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by amberwolf » Jun 29, 2015 2:22 pm

this search
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/search ... mit=Search
turns up these on the first page (probably more in the other two pages):

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... ilit=print*

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... ilit=print*

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... ilit=print*

and then there is the thread about 3d printers by Nechaus, where a bunch of people with such printers congregate. ;)

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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by marty » Jun 30, 2015 8:20 am

Amberwolf - Good search job. I see you use print* to find print, printer, printed, printing. Make a list of topics, member name, and location. Will send them private messages.

USA: 3D Printed & Aluminum Cast Parts
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... ilit=print*
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3D Printed Parts For The Community
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... ilit=print*
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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by riba2233 » Jun 30, 2015 9:41 am

Before you go any further, your part is too expensive for 3d printing. Try milling it out of plastic block, it's very simple. I put it in slicer, it would print for about 20 hours and would cost about 100$ (or even more) with shipping.

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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by dequinox » Jun 30, 2015 10:03 am

Just curious, have you looked around on the internet for a part that might be similar? Like this?

You really have to watch out for 3D printing parts for the sake of 3D printing... it isn't as cheap if you're doing larger parts.
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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by marty » Jun 30, 2015 7:48 pm

Using eMachineShop software to make flange a little smaller. Every thing is fine till I export as STL. View with SolidWorks and see that something has gone horribly wrong.
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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by marty » Jul 03, 2015 8:37 am

My flange is not too big for 3D printers. Your printers are too small to print big stuff. Look at this 3D printer.
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Buy a small 3D printer. Use it to print parts for a bigger printer. Use the bigger printer to print parts for a bigger printer. Repeat
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Post by marty » Jul 03, 2015 8:54 am

Drew smaller flange with SolidWorks. SolidWorks program is much harder to figure out then eMachineShop. SolidWorks can do lots more.

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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by riba2233 » Jul 03, 2015 2:02 pm

Ok, now it fits! :)

If you want, I will try to print it, and if it turns well, I send it to you? If it's fine price would be 38$ + 10$ shipping (fast but non tracked), plus paypal fee (I will only accept paypal gift).
What do you say? And what color would you prefer, I have black, white, silver, red, green, yellow, and blue. (Black is already installed so it would be easiest for me.)

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Post by marty » Jul 03, 2015 4:48 pm

riba2233 wrote:Ok, now it fits! :)

If you want, I will try to print it, and if it turns well, I send it to you? If it's fine price would be 38$ + 10$ shipping (fast but non tracked), plus paypal fee (I will only accept paypal gift).
What do you say? And what color would you prefer, I have black, white, silver, red, green, yellow, and blue. (Black is already installed so it would be easiest for me.)
$48 :shock: How you do this so cheap? Flange is 7.75 x 7.75 x 2.5 INCHES. One inch is the distance from your thumb knuckle to the tip of your finger nail.

Black is good. Black is beautiful.

See you are on the other side of the earth. How can you ship something that big for only $10? Here in the USA shipping would be about $10 to send a box that big around the corner.

Yea $48 SOLD! please send me a PayPal address and I will zip money over to you. Gift is no problem. Not sure how to figure out what PayPal fees are? I be happy to pay that also.

[38$ + 10$ shipping] US dollars correct? Here in the US we put the $ sign before the number, like this $48
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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by riba2233 » Jul 03, 2015 5:46 pm

Sorry, didn't know that about dollar sign, thanks for the explanation! :)

Well I think it's a fair price, it's good enough for me, and still you're not being robbed, like with many other 3D printing services.

Shipping is not expensive because the weight is very low, it's about 150 grams. Shipping cost is mostly based on weight, up until a point where the volume is really big and then it's another category.

I will print it, and if it's good we will continue to talk :) Paypal fees are usually few dollars I think, they are some percentage of the money transferred.

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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by riba2233 » Jul 05, 2015 11:03 am

Hi, I tried to print it but I'm not satisfied with result, it's hard to print such large ABS parts, and it's near my printers edge so that also causes problems. I need to do some modifications to the printer to be able so print objects like this, so for now I can only say sorry! Unless you have some smaller parts :)

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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by marty » Oct 01, 2015 8:22 am

Riba,
Thanks for trying. Got a second prototype made by the local 3D printer guy. Material is PLA. Color is grey because he ran out of black. First prototype was $60. Second was $55 because I made it thinner (.18 inch) Hole ID is now (3.06 inch) Few other minor changes. Looks beautiful and feels strong. Will take pictures when I get my camera fired up.

Local 3D printer guy is using a $800 Robo 3D printer. He don't seem too impressed with the quality of the Robo machine.

Going to ask for a price on 24 flanges. At this point I want a lower price. Might be cheaper to buy my own 3D printer?

Wondering about making a mold and pouring two part plastic? Look at YouTube videos from this place http://shop.brickintheyard.com/
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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by riba2233 » Oct 01, 2015 9:42 am

PLA parts are much easier to print, size doesnt matter. But they are completelly useless except for decoration. Let him try print same part in ABS, and check the result :)

It would be much more appropriate to make that flange using mold, because it's large and pretty simple.

But I'm working on my printer and there is a good chance that I'll be able to print it in near future.

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Post by marty » Oct 10, 2015 8:45 am

dequinox wrote:Just curious, have you looked around on the internet for a part that might be similar? Like this?

You really have to watch out for 3D printing parts for the sake of 3D printing... it isn't as cheap if you're doing larger parts.
I have searched the whole planet as best as I can. No find plastic flange like I want.
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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by marty » Oct 10, 2015 9:31 am

riba2233 wrote:PLA parts are much easier to print, size doesnt matter. But they are completelly useless except for decoration. Let him try print same part in ABS, and check the result :)

It would be much more appropriate to make that flange using mold, because it's large and pretty simple.

But I'm working on my printer and there is a good chance that I'll be able to print it in near future.
PLA seems fine for what this is. Tested by washing flange with hot water. Flange did not warp. Tested by trying to break it with my hands. No break. Note that my hands are incredibly strong. Tested by dropping onto concrete from a height of 7 feet. It made a disturbing brittle plastic sound when it hit the floor. Very minor ding on a corner. No cracks. Drop test temperature was 60º Fahrenheit. Next test will be the time test. Also called the test of time.

I would love to learn how to make a mold and learn how to make stuff from 2 part plastics. I have no time for more projects. I don't know what the strength of 2 part plastics is?

It would be much more appropriate to hire someone else to make the flange using mold. Anyone want a job? I also thought about building flange from flat stock plastic and glue or welding to hold it together.

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Local 3D printer guy wants $30 each for 30 pieces. I am going to offer him $700 for 24 pieces. That's $29.17 each.

If I saw this flange sitting on a shelf in a store or a picture in a catalog, I could imagine paying $30 for it.

If my idea catches on I will change my name to The Flange Man and I will be in the flange business.
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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by riba2233 » Oct 10, 2015 11:02 am

I don't know what for you are going to use it for, but be aware that PLA degrades over time, it may be strong now, but just be careful. Also, it starts to get softer above 70 degrees C so be careful on that one too...

It would be best to find local molding company. The mold itself is expensive, but after you have it each piece is almost free.

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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by marty » Oct 11, 2015 8:15 am

I was thinking of this kind of mold.
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This type of mold looks expensive.
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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by riba2233 » Oct 11, 2015 12:17 pm

Second one looks complicated and is expensive because it's multi part, yours would be two part and much cheaper.

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Re: 3D Plastic Printer

Post by marty » Oct 13, 2015 6:44 am

Doing one final test. Flange is in bucket of water. It floats so I put a weight on it. Don't expect any problems with my soak in water test.

Here is a PDF drawing for those of you who don't have SolidWorks.
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SolidWorks made the whole page with one click. I moved things around a little. Some dimensions are missing. Other dimensions are not as I would have drawn them. I have a lot to learn with SolidWorks. All dimensions are in inches.
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