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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Buk___ » Mar 03 2018 6:02pm

Rovii wrote:
Mar 03 2018 8:45am
Ready for 2k18
Warning: I know nuffin; nuffin I tell ye.

But I gotta ask: Is there no advantage to getting your arse lower?

From looking, it looks like you'd be pretty much wrapped around the thing to ride it, but to this casual observer that seat position look very high. There must surely be some benefit to getting the major weight component that is your own body as low as possible?

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 03 2018 10:26pm

Of course, getting the rear tail lower will also bring a benefit!
Last year I run a 160/60-17 tire and this year I want to test the little Hoosier tire and therefore I can’t lift it more down. But I also used the standard lowering links with 3 different positions in the lowest position.
For next year I will change back to chain drive and standard rim and then I will create my own link to lower the rear tail.
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 04 2018 10:52pm

- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 12 2018 7:02am

Now the cooling system is maintained
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 15 2018 3:15am

I prepared the front fender and now I am ready for the energy exhibition!
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 21 2018 4:32am

Took part last weekend on an energy exhibition with my motorcycle and my ex e-bicycle.
Had a lot of good conversations. People who are interested in my work and want to have my help by their projects.
Saw a lot of lucky faces by sitting down on the vehicle´s for taking a picture.
Get also some negative critic regarding do not fit to registration in GER or using LiPo batteries.
But at the end this event made a lot of fun for me and I got no a short introducing to be an exhibition presenter :-).
Well I drove to the exhibition by motorcycle and my brother took the bike.
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by emmgee » Mar 21 2018 4:53am

hehe, nice one! Exhibition in winter with snow, the stand is outside and the ice cream trailer idles around aside. Wrong continent :)
Incredible work you're doing!
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 21 2018 6:31am

Exactly one year ago ...
shit happens ...
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by madin88 » Mar 21 2018 10:19am

Sounds like you had fun on the exhibition :)
Where did it took place?

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 21 2018 12:26pm

I had fun, of course!
It took place at Hirschaid (near to Bamberg, Bavaria, Germany). It was a little exhibition... only 2000 visitors at two days but that was absolutely ok!
I made now some short test runs @ 650A and it feels much better than before regarding the acceleration.
I think I will go now directly to 800ARMS :-).
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by SlowCo » Mar 21 2018 1:59pm

Good of you to attend such an exhibition. I bet your bike drew some attention 8)

If you go higher on amps and will seriously go drag racing you might want to read Cowardlyduck's work with fans inside a hub motor for cooling. The burst you will put in won't be cooled instantly but it can help greatly between runs to cool the motor back down. Here is his thread:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... &start=450

And I still think that if you want to further improve acceleration you should consider to add a motor on top of your swing arm just in front of the tire with chain drive to your hub motor. :twisted:

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by madin88 » Mar 21 2018 3:08pm

SlowCo wrote:
Mar 21 2018 1:59pm
And I still think that if you want to further improve acceleration you should consider to add a motor on top of your swing arm just in front of the tire with chain drive to your hub motor. :twisted:
There is so much space that even the large hubmotor would fit on the swingarm behind the damper.
Than doubling the volts (or up to max RPM the motor can take) and a 1:2 reduction! I think it could do a wheelie than 8)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 22 2018 7:27am

Well it´s 144V version motor. So actually there is no controller on the market that can handle this high voltage, except Emsiso H300 (400V, 450A) and Unitek 700/400 controller. But The phase current with 400A are to weak and also the price with 5k€ is very high!
I tested now 650A:
https://youtu.be/TzGoCUG-H8o

But only on real short distance!
For weekend I will go to 800A and check out for one run!

BTW: I found out now that the motor is not good for drag racing cause of too high Kv (12,08).
It should be lower or I should have to divide the windings but with 7T I will have one left!

In autumn I will change to chain drive!
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by John in CR » Mar 24 2018 8:29am

Rovii wrote:
Mar 22 2018 7:27am
BTW: I found out now that the motor is not good for drag racing cause of too high Kv (12,08).
It should be lower or I should have to divide the windings but with 7T I will have one left!
In autumn I will change to chain drive!
Your Kv is too low, not too high, but that's only because of a lack of controller options to high enough voltage. Of course with a higher Kv, which can then handle proportionally more amps, high enough current controllers become hard to find. If I recall correctly the tooth count on those motors are ok to wind as 6 phase, or the other alternative is to do split windings. Either option requires 2 controllers, which is easier to find and more economical with 2 controllers to sum to the current you want.

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Mar 26 2018 3:41am

The current now seems to be enough:
https://youtu.be/LDEAdqyNhtA

I changed now to max phase currents and got the wheel spinning by full acceleration.
Normally I should lower the wheel base distance but then I will got some problems with tire-rear tail distance.
I made also a short introduction to my motorcycle:
https://youtu.be/3oYI6uO11dk

and some nice pics at -3 Grade Celsius.
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 03 2018 10:16am

Found now a good position to measure the motor phase current.
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 05 2018 11:24pm

Now I installed also a bicycle lamp called Supernova to be able to take part during night runs at some events where lightning system is required. Hopefully they accepted an bicycle lamp at a motorcycle.
So it´s battery type (model: Airstream II) and I can quickly remove it.
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I changed also the cam position to the upper fork bridge side and therefore I can also record the GPS speed value in parallel!
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 13 2018 2:16am

Sorry, only in German language

https://youtu.be/CNIIn2OOZ7Q
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 23 2018 9:01am

Made now some small tests at last weekend...
https://youtu.be/dZ25locZpec

So I will start now wit this setup on 13th of May to get my first official test result!
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by liveforphysics » Apr 23 2018 9:40pm

Nice runs!! So glad it's making torque now at real phase currents.

Your rear tire is only spinning because it's way over pressure. Your Kv being high is how to do it right and have epic pull all the way down the track if you can just feed it the phase current it needs to make the torque.

To function the tire needs to be so low air pressure it deforms the carcass heavily and wads up a big flapping mess of slipping tire under your wheel. It is for this capability to wrinkle up and deform in a big flat patch against the ground that you use the Hoosier tire you've got.

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by SlowCo » Apr 24 2018 7:33am

In addition to Luke's remarks: with very low air pressure the radius from the axle to the ground (contact patch tire/ground) will be smaller resulting in a little lower gearing at take off. As soon as the speed goes up the tire will "grow" to its maximum diameter and so to the highest "gearing". It's only a few percent but everything counts in (drag)racing! :wink:

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 25 2018 1:33am

I know but thanks for your feedbacks.
On combustion bike I put rear tire pressure only to 0,6 bar (normal 2,8 bar/35PSI).
But as I said before the Hoosier tire I used is a car front drag tire with only 2,8 kg of weight (6lbs).
The tire itself has a very thin running surface and the side walls of it are more thin.
Inside the video clip from Luke you can see that most of the rear tires are screwed.
As Frank Papp, from Hoosier/Continental, told me that this tire is absolutely not foreseen to use it as rear tire on motorcycle rim I believe him (but it fits perfectly)!
Therefore it will have not the performance as you can see inside the video!
As you can also see inside my video when I am running early in the morning, the rear wheel slipped because of the under ground (dust surface). On air plane landing field he did not slip!
But the landing field surface in Bamberg is special one (transverse rib over the whole distance to avoid water puddle) which will be not the same as in Eisenach @ German Race Wars or in Alkersleben @ Speeddays King of Germany!
So I will see/ feel the difference there.
If it´s starts spinning I will lower the pressure for sure but not too much!
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by liveforphysics » Apr 25 2018 1:42am

The drag strip is so sticky you might not have any issues at all even at 25-30psi.

I personally ran my slicks at 6-8psi and they would sometimes bog my clutch drop from 9500rpm on a 2.4liter running a +175hp shot of nitrous at lunch with an 1800lbs FWD car.

With rear drive and that tire on a drag strip at the right pressure you can definitely find traction.
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 25 2018 6:02am

Well not all drag strips are sticky here in GER!
We do not have special drag racing tracks here.
The big event´s who have enough money prepare the track to get it sticky.
The tracks here are normaly airplane fields or race parks like Nürburgring or Hockenheim!
But at this big event´s I did not take part.
There are driving bigger cars and motorcycles with much more power than my XX kW vehicle and I am only at the beginning and probably in two or three years I will reach my personal limited kW class and will be able to run at such tracks. Give me a little bit of time to save money and fulfill my dream step by step!
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Suzuki GSX-R e899 K2

Post by Rovii » May 06 2018 11:36pm

I have installed now two voltage display´s, one (red) for the controller circuit, led, fan and pump and another one for the drive train (blue).
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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