Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

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Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by kebekua » Aug 08 2018 10:15pm

Hi board here is a little video I shot last weekend:

Dui and I have the same battery, we both have 3KW QS hub motors but he has a 273 and I a 205.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRTDp5t ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by icherouveim » Aug 09 2018 12:08am

kebekua wrote:
Aug 08 2018 10:15pm
Hi board here is a little video I shot last weekend:

Dui and I have the same battery, we both have 3KW QS hub motors but he has a 273 and I a 205.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRTDp5t ... e=youtu.be
Hello, Nice video!

So you are faster at the beginning but later QS273 overtake you .
What is your battery pack ?

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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by kebekua » Aug 09 2018 12:41am

Yep, Dui has flux weakening and the 400cc has a gearbox!

The pack is A12320AH 24s2P for me 23s2p for Dui. 300A Ant BMS
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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by icherouveim » Aug 09 2018 5:05am

kebekua wrote:
Aug 09 2018 12:41am
Yep, Dui has flux weakening and the 400cc has a gearbox!

The pack is A12320AH 24s2P for me 23s2p for Dui. 300A Ant BMS
Wow I like 20ah punch cells because they are very powerful but I wonder how can you fit 48 of them into an e bike frame ?
I've tried before and it was impossible!
Which frame do you have ? Do you have any photos ?

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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by kebekua » Aug 09 2018 6:11am

Its not and Ebike, its a Magician 250. Yet, it was'nt easy to fit the battery there!

I'll make a thread with pictures later on, its just a bit of a hassle to do from China that's why I haven't done it yet
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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by icherouveim » Aug 09 2018 7:39am

kebekua wrote:
Aug 09 2018 6:11am
Its not and Ebike, its a Magician 250. Yet, it was'nt easy to fit the battery there!

I'll make a thread with pictures later on, its just a bit of a hassle to do from China that's why I haven't done it yet
Aha I see, lucky you then that you have so much battery space!

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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by kebekua » Aug 09 2018 6:02pm

I used every bit of it. I will choose a different geometry for my next build to fit a larger battery.

I would go for a Chang Jiang 750 (1930's BMW copy) if I could afford it. Let's see what the future holds.
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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by kebekua » Aug 10 2018 6:29pm

Better start for the 400cc this time but Sabvoton power cut off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUS4IMGhe3E
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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by kebekua » Aug 24 2018 10:02pm

Here are a couple pix showing battery fittment

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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by tahitiboob » Oct 30 2018 2:11pm

amazing!!

what is you model of kelly?

do you prefer kelly or sabvoton?

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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by skeetab5780 » Oct 30 2018 6:52pm

I always liked that magician 250 enduro but it disappeared from Ebay about a year ago. I also wanted to convert it to road legal electric. Much smaller looking than the hawk model.

Conversion looks good!

Edit: just checked Ebay out of curiosity and there are two Magicians up! I guess i havnt been searching that hard

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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by Dui, ni shuo de dui » Nov 14 2018 3:58am

icherouveim wrote:
Aug 09 2018 12:08am

So you are faster at the beginning but later QS273 overtake you .
Yep, the Kelly had quite a bit more power at startup, sabbys lack a bit of a kick but they are more powerful passed 20-30 kmh until vmax, which was higher anyway with the flux weakening. Also, I had a little problem that day with my settings, I could not make a start with wide opened throttle, otherwise the controller was cutting off because I've set my phase amps limit a tiny bit too low... I had to wait for the motorbike to get over 20km/h to go full throttle.
Moreover, there is quite a huge weight difference, the racing bike is way heavier than the magician and I'm myself quite heavier than kebekua... That really doesn't help :lol:

But now he has a new controller, much, much more powerful than the kelly so there's no way I can follow him anymore, even if I change everything for carbon fiber and start eating salad. :lol:

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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by Rovii » Nov 14 2018 7:10am

Take my Emsiso EmDrive500 🤣🤣🤣
1200A peak and also field weakening
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A, Kelly KLS 8080I 14401, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A, Kelly KHB 14601, 2017)
- Fastest 1/4 Mile @ 170,62 kph and 12,278 seconds ( 117V, 800A, Emsiso EmDrive 500, 2018)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Race: Kelly KEB 12KW vs Sabvoton 200A vs 400cc

Post by Dui, ni shuo de dui » Nov 14 2018 11:32pm

Rovii wrote:
Nov 14 2018 7:10am
Take my Emsiso EmDrive500 🤣🤣🤣
1200A peak and also field weakening
Yeah, why not. It's just a tiny little bit expensive to me.
Would you be kind enough to remove the last zero from the current price ? :wink:

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