The future of our forum - facebook versus web forums

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Re: The future of our forum - facebook versus web forums

Post by neptronix » Mar 05 2019 1:30pm

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Feb 21 2019 9:47pm
Having said all of that, none of this should apply to Endless Sphere - as far as I'm aware (I haven't bothered to look deeply) there's no advert platform or user tracking analytics (aside GA which is fairly lightweight).
This forum is optimized as much as phpbb can be optimized, and then there's some custom database format optimizations too. In no way would i taint that with some chunky bloatware. I have even considered running an assembly language based web server to squeeze another few msecs out of each http response :mrgreen:. Don't worry about bloat here..
In other news: please keep FB tracking/login/anything the heck away from here though
Of course. GA is all i'd want to install. Just because i need high quality info on how much traffic we are getting. Normally i'd run Matomo analytics instead, but it is a cpu hog on the server itself. Yuo can easily block google analytics if you are privacy focused.
Also you could always add optional skins if you were to change the look and feel of the site, that way old users that prefer the old look could then switch to that look and feel - get the best of both worlds.
We already have that feature ;). Just find the theme switcher in the user control panel, but be warned that the default theme in phpbb 3.2.x is buggy compared to the default theme i created. Only use it if you can't handle change.

Unfortunately there are not a lot of good themes for phpbb 3.2.x because most webmasters cannot handle the complexity of them, or maybe there is just a declining interest in phpbb. We wanted a variety of looks available, but there just aren't many good ones, thus se_square_nx was born. I wanted the look to be more modern and have hints of reddit, but got stalled on making anything other than conservative changes.
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Re: The future of our forum - facebook versus web forums

Post by tomjasz » May 07 2019 7:02pm

Facebook has kinda died off since Nep and Sam left. Still an ok source but it has changed.
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Re: The future of our forum - facebook versus web forums

Post by neptronix » May 12 2019 4:44pm

tomjasz wrote:
May 07 2019 7:02pm
Facebook has kinda died off since Nep and Sam left. Still an ok source but it has changed.
That sucks, but not a surprise. I still refuse to use FB. I would rather my internet experience be totally socially alienated than go back to that mess.
Almost 200 people joined the mewe group ( magnetic motion ) but promptly played dead a day after. So that's dead for the most part. I'm still enjoying mewe though. :)
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Re: The future of our forum - facebook versus web forums

Post by TheBeastie » May 12 2019 5:43pm

You like Mewe? I think I may have briefly tried it but decided it wasn't for me, I tend to just follow the big crowds, haven't heard of anyone big on there.

The co-founder of Facebook created a pretty good video as to why Facebook should be split up, he seems to quite dislike Zuckerberg, and his argument was quite intelligent.
https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1 ... 2302996481

One of my most favourite Youtube videos on global warming/climate change disappeared off my Facebook timeline, the video is still on YouTube but it disappeared of my post on FB, so unless I deleted it by mistake, I actually think Facebook did a discrete "videos we don't like purge on everyone's timeline".

I am really interested in seeing the internet kill traditional broadcast media, I really think it will be society transforming once it happens, I think in general people will become better informed and be more healthy.
This article from ZeroHedge just came out, its quite apt, I really feel this is the problem, people get brainwashed from broadcast TV, at least over time with the internet they will be able to pick from millions of people very customized set of people to brainwash them, at worse. This is far better than what we have now.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05- ... ing-nation

The only big problem with internet services like Facebook is how a lot of people treat it like TV, in that they don't really search or navigate it, they just swipe and let the algorithms decide what they will see. That's behaviour little different than just flicking up down on TV channels of traditional broadcast.

Almost everyone whos being kicked off Facebook/Twitter, have moved to Telegram, as in the famous internet celebrity like Milo Yiannopoulos etc.

I have yet to get on Telegram because at least for web-browser mode it starts off asking for your mobile number. I remember using Telegram a few years ago and it didn't have such requirements but it was pretty simple web-based IRC channel back then, I can't imagine it being successful for really large followings as basic IRC style isn't really a "structured interface".


I don't mind Gab, Milo jumps on gab now and then, but I don't really use it's not as "alive" as Twitter/Facebook etc.
One of its major upsides is it has a night mode theme which I find important.

I find my self enjoying minds.com whenever I go on there, always seems to be interesting stuff on there, but no nite-mode/dark-mode.
I find full brightness incredibly annoying, I would use minds.com a lot more if it just had a dark-mode like Twitter/Youtube have.

I was wondering when it would be clear the internet has taken over "broadcast media", and I now see that its really at a point where its splitting groups apart, and creating a great divide.
Some types who almost live in it and see broadcast media as just weird waste of time and others who see it the other way around.

I am starting to notice trends where large follower-pockets live within themselves, and some of the pockets they live in are really quite weird.

For example, check out these extremely different people/internet celebrities, and a lot of them are incredibly weird.
https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/1127553756650979328

The thing that seems clear to me is that YouTube employs "algo-privilege" for YouTubers, someone inside YouTube decides a particular content maker is "good" and YouTube constantly recommends their videos to people.
I think James Charles is an example of "algo-privilege" where someone inside YouTube decided this person should be made more popular.
I don't like any "algo-privilege", I think the most important thing that can happen on the internet right now is to have fair algorithms, freedom of speech and just let the "free market" play its self out.
James Charles turning out to be a bigger weirdo than anticipated is the result of the tech giants creating their "false algo-privilege economies"

One of the most interesting and healthy parts of YouTube is seeing Youtubers criticize each other, people making videos talking about how dumb the other person ideas are, this is really healthy, even if a lot of dumb people are going to be persuaded to believe the wrong side, over time they should get better at judgement.

It seems like we are in the stage of "if you can imagine it, there is a group for it", I have found social media groups like "Lesbians/Transgenders for nuclear energy"
On the rightwingers, I have found there are types that talk/dream about every kind of socialist utopian idea like UBI/free university/free-health-care, but zero immigration, no tolerance to transgenders etc. And extremely environmentally conscious.
That is to say, if you took out there anti-immigration anti-transgenders stance would have thought you were listening to someone who was of the extreme-left. So the near full-circle view of the two opposing sides in some ways can get remarkably close.

So as the internet continues to expand and absorb everything, it really seems to be that if you can "imagine a type of group" someone out there has or is thinking about creating it.
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Re: The future of our forum - facebook versus web forums

Post by neptronix » May 12 2019 6:35pm

The internet is a crowded enough place that the only way to form and hold relationships is to continue to fragment into smaller and smaller groups as time goes on. And some other forces are causing that to happen too.

I noticed this with endless sphere facebook. Despite all kinds of work to maintain the vibe it started with, community cohesion got worse and worse as the group grew. After the first thousand people, it was downhill from there. People tried to hijack it. Prebuilt bike sellers tried all sneaky kinds of guerilla marketing. The community stopped self policing, so we had to define rules and enforce them. It was no longer fun to run the place. It was like running a government, but without any of the tax revenue.

Unfortunately this is the case of every forum or group that becomes large.

Right now we are seeing the mainstream sites chuck whoever is low on the social acceptability spectrum, as a means of increasing palatability to advertisers. This has of course resulted in sites like gab and voat being formed.

We also have the crypto anarchists thinking ahead and creating things like steemit, dtube, zeronet, etc.

And facebook trying to consume literally every aspect of communication in the internet they can.

I don't know where this all leads. All i know is that we need a high quality place to discuss DIY electric vehicle building that is free of a lot of crap you see in other communities.
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Re: The future of our forum - facebook versus web forums

Post by Josh K. » May 23 2019 11:21pm

Hi Folks,

I like the Endless Sphere Forum myself, and agree that fakebook really creates no value. I migrated over here back in the day,
after the power-assist yahoo group fizzled out. The Josh Goldberg, and Dave Hammond guys with early bolt on power adventures.

The real values are created by the long adventures in actual builds, new information, experiments, photos and stats. I enjoy the
true building experience, creativity, and long shot attempts that we make.

I think the challenges are coming from when people get power hungry, and start taking other people's info, and creating their
own sites, drawing lots of traffic to their business. We have seen some Hickups along the way that have been powerful, and
has changed the landscape for sure. Nowadays the fast retail online gimme gimme now syndrome has changed a lot of the
game.

But for some of us, we are not into the fastest, cheapest, wizbang deal of the day. For some of us, we are in it for the long ride,
and appreciate the values created by quality, efficiency, and futuristic thinking...Future people need peers to work with, and a
cool place to do it. Personally, I think the fakebook days are numbered, and we are seeing more and more people leave there too.

Somehow, People need inspiration to build, and make things again. I think that our country is well equipped to use these great
pieces from all over the world, and to make new electric human hybrids for better tomorrows...I hope that this forum can continue
to be a great resource for the deep dives, and inspirations for the next generation of advanced vehicle designs.

Peace, Josh K.
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