Katz...that's just constructive criticsim ...or just lively conversation inviting another to have a meeting of the minds??Zoot Katz wrote: Stone cold church talk that's subtly insulting is the best flame, IMO.

Katz...that's just constructive criticsim ...or just lively conversation inviting another to have a meeting of the minds??Zoot Katz wrote: Stone cold church talk that's subtly insulting is the best flame, IMO.
My guess is that it's a national policy of Costa Pricka.John in CR wrote:My only beef is that over half of the pics aren't viewable from here in Costa Rica.
Reid Welch wrote:My guess is that it's a national policy of Costa Pricka.John in CR wrote:My only beef is that over half of the pics aren't viewable from here in Costa Rica.
I post lots of images and videos too. I wish all could see them.
If they can't: I'm not going to omit illustrations just because some members are stuck on dial up, or in draconian countries.
That's getting into tricky territory... banned members will always be referred-to at some point. I suggest:Ypedal wrote: I'd like to suggest a new rule here.. - No talking/starting threads about banned members !
Brilliant! I, for one, definitely support the rational questioning of judgment and that includes any authority/autorities behind banning a given member. If "banned member" litter is perhaps a bit too spread out, then perhaps a "banned member" thread can be dedicated? That'd keep it nice and contained without overtly oppressing speech. If some actions were perhaps questionable according to someone's perception, then it seems only right that it ought to be questioned.TylerDurden wrote:Confine any threads primarily concerned with banned members to a dedicated threadYpedal wrote: I'd like to suggest a new rule here.. - No talking/starting threads about banned members !
It is called freedom of speech, and one that might actually work towards a greater benefit. "Moving on with your life" is a fairly vague notion, and I don't really take that notion seriously from someone who dwells in the cess-pool. At the best, it could reverse a possibly unfair process(unlikely, but possible), and at worst, it would provide entertainment with mutual revelry. What's wrong with that? If they aren't here, it's not likely they bother keeping abreast on how other people view them on a forum they've been banned from. I think they would've taken a hint by the time they were banned...EMF wrote:Yeah! You can never get enough Harmon, Goldbrick etc bashing!!! Or mulling over whether or not Safe should or should not have been banned. It really makes the forum stronger!
There is nothing more interesting than badmouthing those that cannot respond. /SBrilliant indeed!
On the other hand, you could move on with your lives and be glad you don't have to moderate.
It makes no difference whether or not you take me seriously, or whether or not this is based on where I post. The crux of this discussion concerns debating members that are banned or being allowed to second guess thee moderators ad nauseum, when you are not privy to all the information. There is no guaranteed Freedom of Speech- ANYWHERE.swbluto wrote:It is called freedom of speech, and one that might actually work towards a greater benefit. "Moving on with your life" is a fairly vague notion, and I don't really take that notion seriously from someone who dwells in the cess-pool.
Disagree.EMF wrote:The best way to handle such situations is via PM.
I think we are talking about two different things. I am talking about affected members that have been disciplined and you are talking about the membership giving input on designing new policy or adjusting present policy.TylerDurden wrote:Disagree.EMF wrote:The best way to handle such situations is via PM.
Open discussion promotes accountability, peer review, synergy, yadda yadda...
For example, chew on this idea:
Failure to comply with moderator-issued directives results in suspension for month... three suspensions = permanent suspension.
Let's not confuse consensus & decision with transparency and opinion. Discussion about what happened and why, doesn't mean making or changing policy by popular vote. It does provide channels for knowing how decisions are guided and if they fit with the interests of any member who participates & contributes.EMF wrote:I agree open discussion is good, and I think in policy matters that even here with the small staff, this is what they have when it concerns a policy matter. But in my experience it does not work well in a text based situation, with the entire membership. In addition, if you do that, then the already tedious process of an administration deciding what to do about a member, will then be re-hashed by an even larger group- the membership. Finding a consensus will be difficult and time consuming for the volunteers.
Sheesh, EMF edits faster than I can compose (6x). I'll just post this for now... I can't keep re-editing to address his latest edits.EMF wrote:This forum has really deteriorated into something pathetic... Who's going to be the prom queen this year? What a bunch of gutless jackasses. It reminds me of high school kids and chatty cliques. A high school run by a bunch of frikkin' re-sellers. You can run anyone down but one of them. Preferably someone that isn't around anymore that can't defend themselves.
Dude.. the guy is banned! STFU
How's about re-naming this place to Endless-Bullshit?
Maybe you are right. I just have seen some things lately that tend to point in the direction I am talking about. Lets just wait and see what happens in the long run.nutsandvolts wrote:Where is the forum deteriorating? I don't see it. It's not like everyone is required to read everything posted.
It all sounds like mountains made out mole hills to me. Why is it that any mention of S--- gets you so riled up?
Wellsir. Then we has just agreed for the first time ever to disagree,TylerDurden wrote:Disagree.EMF wrote:The best way to handle such situations is via PM.
Open discussion promotes accountability, peer review, synergy, yadda yadda...
For example, chew on this idea:
Failure to comply with moderator-issued directives results in suspension for month... three suspensions = permanent suspension.
Ypedal wrote:Reid.. please give it a rest.....we've covered this already.
My tupence before we go into lockdown:Ypedal wrote:Time to adjust the signal to noise ratio a bit i think..![]()
Reid, don't take it so personal. myself " me " i can ignore what i don't have any interest in reading but this forum is not just you and me.. it's a whole lot of members as well..and your threads are getting flagged for moderation lately, in order to make a judgment call i need to read the entire thing and honesly Reid, alot of your stuff is just too deep for average human consuption.
You have shared great knowledge and wisdome over the years, great stuff really.. but lately you seem to be in a rut and emotions are getting the best of you..
Honestly i'm not sure how to aproach this situation, you cause no harm, and don't give any bad advice when it comes to the technical stuff so really.... no harm no foul.. but as much as we let off-topic stuff slide there has to be a limit.
Starting a new thread, to point to an existing thread, falls in the " Attention whore " category.. forum faut-pas on any other forums i've been part of. it's clutter and if we let this run rampant it will become impossible to maintain order.
everyone, Right ? Wrong ?