Edit: This was a GROUND shipment, so air freight risks are not present.
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Which retailer is this? I want to make sure to avoid them because they don't disclose all charges up front.Alan B wrote:I ordered some Headway cells from Washington recently. A $25 fee for hazmat was added to the UPS charges. This is quite expensive for a small shipment (8 cells). These are "safe" chemistry lithiums. There was no notice or warning that this fee was going to be charged. Shipping is billed after the order, so it is not visible when the order is being placed.
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A couple of months ago I got a UPS notification to say that my LiFePo4 had been destroyed in Dubai...I then got a notification from my supplier that an attempt to re-send batteries had been blocked and that they would have to refund me my cash.BMI wrote:This extra charge is only applicable to any lithium ion batteries shipped/sold in the USA. The charge does not apply to any customers outside of the USA (at the present time). The charge may rise further once the IATA lithium battery shipping regulations are reviewed. This has come about due to several fires aboard air freight aircraft (particularly UPS) and in particular the recent lithium battery fire which resulted in the crash and death of both pilots in Dubai a couple of months ago.
You can blame the irresponsible companies and/or individuals who have shipped hazardous lithium polymer/lithium cobalt oxide batteries for the extra charges you have to pay.
Thats a very pointed statement ! ....do you have any proof or references ??BMI wrote:...... in particular the recent lithium battery fire which resulted in the crash and death of both pilots in Dubai a couple of months ago....
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/emerg ... i-1.677830An "uncontrollable" fire broke out in the cockpit of the ill-fated United Parcel Services (UPS) plane while it was still in Bahraini airspace, a preliminary report issued by the UAE General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) about Friday's air crash has revealed.
Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), which has claimed responsibility for last week's parcel bomb plot, said on Friday that it had planted a bomb on the UPS plane that crashed after taking off from Dubai airport on September 3.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/wo ... z17HeTjqNP
Hmmm............BMI wrote:This extra charge is only applicable to any lithium ion batteries shipped/sold in the USA. The charge does not apply to any customers outside of the USA (at the present time). The charge may rise further once the IATA lithium battery shipping regulations are reviewed. This has come about due to several fires aboard air freight aircraft (particularly UPS) and in particular the recent lithium battery fire which resulted in the crash and death of both pilots in Dubai a couple of months ago.
You can blame the irresponsible companies and/or individuals who have shipped hazardous lithium polymer/lithium cobalt oxide batteries for the extra charges you have to pay.
Absolutely disagree with you here. Totally incorrect.Jeremy Harris wrote:
It's also worth noting that ALL lithium chemistry batteries present a substantial fire hazard, including LiFePO4.
Jeremy
The aircraft was carrying a large quantity of lithium batteries. It was reported that the smoke was so thick and dense the pilots could not see outside before the plane crashed. I am willing to bet that the cause of the fire was lithium batteries catching alight. Jeremy how much are you willing to bet that the fire was caused by some other reason?Jeremy Harris wrote:
First off, the investigation into the CAUSE of the Sept 3rd Dubai accident to N571UP isn't yet known, so we cannot say how or why the fire started and speculation simply hampers getting at the true cause. It may well be that the fire had nothing at all to do with the batteries being carried, the fire could have started from a fault with the aircraft or with any of the other cargo being carried, some of which may have been far more hazardous than lithium batteries. There have, for example, been cargo fires caused by pyrotechnics, oxygen candles, fireworks etc in the past. Although it has been reported that there was a shipment of lithium batteries on board, it's wrong to assume that these are the cause until we have some evidence from the investigators, which is likely to take a fair time, at least 6 months and maybe 12 before we see the final report and recommendations.
I am only speaking about LiFeTech LiFePO4 batteries. LiFeTech batteries will absolutely not catch on fire unless you actually put them into an existing fire. I cannot speak for poor quality Chinese LiFePO4 battery manufacturers who more than likely put all sorts of unsafe additives in their batteries.Jeremy Harris wrote:Prove it.
Show me evidence that the lithium in a LiFePO4 cell isn't every bit as as flammable as the lithium in any other cell.
Jeremy
There's nothing magical about the lithium in your cells that makes it non-flammable. The issue here is one of fire hazard, not charging or mechanical safety.BMI wrote:I am only speaking about LiFeTech LiFePO4 batteries. LiFeTech batteries will absolutely not catch on fire unless you actually put them into an existing fire. I cannot speak for poor quality Chinese LiFePO4 battery manufacturers who more than likely put all sorts of unsafe additives in their batteries.
I can absolutely prove it. How much are you willing to bet on it?
You are full of absolute BS Jeremy! Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?Jeremy Harris wrote:
There's nothing magical about the lithium in your cells that makes it non-flammable. The issue here is one of fire hazard, not charging or mechanical safety.
If there is a source of ignition in a cargo hold, from any cause (electrical fault, some other cargo over-heating, chemical reaction, whatever) the lithium in your cells will burn just as readily as the lithium in any other flavour of cells.
Jeremy