MethTek "Ammo Box" Battery Build 20S2P

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MethTek "Ammo Box" Battery Build 20S2P

Post by Stochastic » Feb 14 2012 12:57am

This is another battery build I have been working on at MethTek. It's a battery pack made in an air tight and water proof ammo can! I built it with 10 4S Hardpacks in a 20S2P configuration. Everything will be secured inside as to not rattle around or rub against each other. This pack will be built for abuse and even wet conditions with HVC and LVC protection!!! Who could ask for a more rugged and safe solution? :shock:
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It's almost done... all I have left to do is rout the main power out either through a grommet or some type of Bulk Head Connector (haven't decided yet) and also hook up one of our HVC Relay boards to the pack. :mrgreen:
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I left a 4S tap from each of the HVC/LVC boards inside of the pack so that it can be balanced with the "Battery Medics" or a regular 4S balance charger such as the 420 charger from HobbyKing.

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Post by stinkler » Feb 14 2012 2:34am

Thats just plain badass right there.

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Post by dogman dan » Feb 14 2012 6:52am

Put some vent holes in it somewhere. Mabye on the bottom, or if on the ends a louver could be added to keep water out.

Don't want it too sealed. On my storage boxes, I just drilled holes, then taped over them. the tape on the outside will blow out if the batts make gas.

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Post by grindz145 » Feb 14 2012 11:29am

dogman wrote:Put some vent holes in it somewhere. Mabye on the bottom, or if on the ends a louver could be added to keep water out.

Don't want it too sealed. On my storage boxes, I just drilled holes, then taped over them. the tape on the outside will blow out if the batts make gas.
+1, if those things go up, the ammo can, can become a pipe bomb. Otherwise the thing is gorgeous!

Just give it somplace to vent. The lid may not be perfectly airtight anyway, but a little extra something is some piece of mind.

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Post by 999zip999 » Feb 14 2012 12:40pm

Louves will help keep water out or a vent pipe that points the flames away from your nuts. Warm roasted Nuts.

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Post by ohzee » Feb 14 2012 12:52pm

You guys are doing great work.. Love seeing the more friendly products..

Heck this is the best pic to date I have seen of these new boards in action.

Keep it up.

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Post by chroot » Feb 14 2012 8:38pm

Look sweet, I have hardcase 4S LiPo and PLEASSSSSSE make 4s LVC boards. I need it and making 16s4p (20Ah) pack. :lol:

All I know Patrick (Methods) offers 5s and 6s lvc boards as what he told me. :wink:
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Post by Stochastic » Feb 14 2012 11:05pm

grindz145 wrote:
dogman wrote:Put some vent holes in it somewhere. Mabye on the bottom, or if on the ends a louver could be added to keep water out.

Don't want it too sealed. On my storage boxes, I just drilled holes, then taped over them. the tape on the outside will blow out if the batts make gas.
+1, if those things go up, the ammo can, can become a pipe bomb. Otherwise the thing is gorgeous!

Just give it somplace to vent. The lid may not be perfectly airtight anyway, but a little extra something is some piece of mind.
I'll put some type of ventilation on the box but I also want to maintain the integrity of what the ammo can is, waterproof. Or maybe I want a LiPo bomb sitting between my legs. :shock:

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Post by dogman dan » Feb 15 2012 7:39am

One real good way to seal a hole in a metal object, is heating and cooling duct tape. That's the sticky back aluminum foil stuff.

Very good stick compared to most tape. I used to use it regularly to do a temporary repair on a windsurf board, then fix it right when I got back home from vacation. No problem sticking underwater. But if the box got pressurized, the thin aluminum would pop before the box could distort. Nowdays there is good duct tape again, so gorilla tape would work just as good I bet.

The aluminum tape is very paintable too.

Another option would be to simply change the way the lid is held down. Remove the bail, and secure the lid with someting less sturdy. Tape, zip tie, something that would break in time if the lid needed to be forced up.

Same foil tape is ideal for covering holes in motor covers, btw. So you can run sealed, but open up to let water out once a month or so. It's high temp tape for hot ductwork.

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Post by fechter » Feb 15 2012 9:38am

I was looking at ammo cans too. One possible solution to the vent issue would be if the latching mechanism was spring loaded so that any pressure inside could slightly open the cover to vent. Drilling a big hole and covering with tape is not a bad idea either.

How much does the empty ammo can weigh?
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Post by stinkler » Feb 15 2012 11:40am

Some plastic hole plugs might do the trick.
http://www.heyco.com/Hole_Plugs/

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Post by 999zip999 » Feb 15 2012 12:37pm

Or that vent plug with a peice of tape over it, you can even make a luvered peice to fit inside the plug.
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Post by Stochastic » Feb 15 2012 1:22pm

I was thinking of using some rubber grommet type plugs which could provide water protection and easily blow out in the event of an epic failure. I could even put some tape over it... :shock:

Something similar to the ones in this kit: http://www.amazon.com/125pc-Rubber-Grom ... 816&sr=8-2

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Post by dogman dan » Feb 15 2012 1:37pm

Grommet plugs would work fine. They'll blow out long before the can blows, well, at least they will if your thermal event is fairly slow at the beginning.

I watched an open top coffee can go off once, but it was full of exlploding firecrackers. You'd think the open top would allow the gas to escape fast enough, but not when the can was full of black cats.

Hopefully, in an event, you'd notice a sound when the tape or grommets pop. Then have time to get clear. At some point, the open top might not be enough if you opened the lid.

The more I think about it, removing the bail on the lid might be best, then secure the top with something with break away ability. That can will be too hot to touch to open the top in an event.

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Post by amberwolf » Feb 15 2012 2:51pm

For the latter, you could use a really thin zip tie, so it will melt if the box gets that hot. ;)

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Post by stinkler » Feb 15 2012 3:00pm

LFP testing required! go go go! KABOOOOM!

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Post by Stochastic » Feb 17 2012 12:30am

chroot wrote:Look sweet, I have hardcase 4S LiPo and PLEASSSSSSE make 4s LVC boards. I need it and making 16s4p (20Ah) pack. :lol:

All I know Patrick (Methods) offers 5s and 6s lvc boards as what he told me. :wink:
I might be able to make some up for you if we get some 4S headers in, we're out of them at the moment. I had to pick through a bunch of crap just to find enough to populate 3 on each of these boards.

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Post by Beachcruzer » Feb 17 2012 1:32am

Guys, don't over think it. Just take the rubber O-ring out of the lid and it's not airtight anymore.

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Post by izeman » Feb 17 2012 3:10am

i don't think it's wise to let pressure build up in the box. then if the pressure is high enough i will/may push out the grommets. but if the raise of pressure is too high and too fast the thing will blow off as one big bomb. so as soon as there is a slight raise of pressure it should be able to escape.
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Post by dogman dan » Feb 17 2012 6:19am

Yes, like the open top coffe can with firecrackers, the pressure could build even if the top flipped open. Removing the bail from the latch makes sense to me, then something easily cut will at least pop the lid before it really pressures up.

Testing with compressed air might help tune the design.

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Post by Stochastic » Feb 17 2012 5:16pm

I think I should pressure test it with some actual failing LiPo batteries.... :mrgreen:

I got a few 1" and 3/4" rubber plugs which I think will do the trick. I'd prefer to keep the integrity of the ammo box and just drill a few holes on the bottom and plug them with the rubber plugs. 8)

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Post by amberwolf » Feb 17 2012 5:25pm

I angle-ground out some cuts in the top edge of the can on mine:
http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/vi ... 42#p536242
for the cables and for venting. With the cuts under the "overhang" of the lid, they'll still protect against direct water/debris ingress, but still allow any kind of gas exchange that's needed. At least, that's the idea. ;)

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Post by RallySTX » Feb 17 2012 6:53pm

Nice looking storage idea, wanted for sure. How about a 24sx2p, or 18sx2p? How much?
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Post by fechter » Feb 17 2012 7:47pm

I'd like to see what happens to one of those cans if you partially fill it with hydrogen and spark it (video for sure). I think that would be the worst thing that could happen to it.
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Post by Beachcruzer » Feb 17 2012 10:33pm

Seems like the military must have blown a few of these up for testing. Wonder if there's video on youtube?

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