BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by kdog » Aug 08 2015 12:11am

Ahh so now I see the identical circuitry around the hi and low side transistors. R20 is 2R20 (2.2 ohms) so R6 should be the same correct?
I'll get the bits from the local electrical store (thanks for offer) and solder in a couple of new leaded R's as you suggested. Thanks for the hole desoldering tip! I'll have to wait til Monday til the shop is open so no progress for a while.
I like learning about these things, anything but basic circuitry was a mystery to me ( even though I've a reasonable understanding of basic electrics) so it's good to start to understand how it all fits together
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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by dnmun » Aug 08 2015 12:45am

yep, i think it would cost $2 to ship it to you. but it would be airmail so telling how long it would take.

anyway you can just use a regular 2.2ohm leaded resistor and solder that back into the circuit. you can follow the trace going from one side of that surface mount over to the base leg of the transistor.

the emitter of that loside transistor is connected to the negative terminal of the rectifier diode, and you can see the trace running along the edge of the pcb. the emitter is the far right leg of the transistor, the collector is the middle leg and the tab. that tab had high voltage so it needs to have clean contact on the surface of the insulator silicone sheet.

just thought of this. you can see how the emitter of the hiside transistor connects to the collector of the loside transistor in the oscillator circuit. the common name is push/pull but the arrangement of transistors one on top of the other between ground and the 340V is called "Totem Pole" circuit.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by alsmith » Aug 10 2015 9:17am

An aside- how much voltage adjustment is typically available on the bmsbattery alloy chargers? I've got an EMC-400 36V (43.8V 8A) one and was mainly wondering lower limit I might get, but it would be nice to know the upper too. I've taken a pic as there are a few versions and marked the 2 pots- is that course and fine adjustment?

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by dnmun » Aug 10 2015 9:40am

no, they have nothing to do with adjusting the output voltage. i recommend that people do not tamper with their charger if they do not know what it is they are doing or why.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by alsmith » Aug 11 2015 11:40am

dnmun wrote:no, they have nothing to do with adjusting the output voltage. i recommend that people do not tamper with their charger if they do not know what it is they are doing or why.
That's quite a statement considering just how much building and modding goes on in this group- if it stopped how many posts would there be?

Can anyone (else) give please some constructive advice?

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by dnmun » Aug 11 2015 12:12pm

no, you should read what others have posted up already. if you don't know which one adjusts the output voltage by now it means you have not read anything yet. use google search if you don't wanna read what others have already posted.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by alsmith » Aug 11 2015 12:17pm

OK, those two are current, one does the peak current so I assume the other is when it changes charge modes.

So shifting wires around there is a 3rd pot tucked away right in the corner under the mains in and fuse holder- that adjusts the Voltage (in case anyone else wants to know). It's well hidden so easily missed.
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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by alsmith » Aug 11 2015 12:19pm

dnmun wrote:no, you should read what others have posted up already. if you don't know which one adjusts the output voltage by now it means you have not read anything yet. use google search if you don't wanna read what others have already posted.
I had looked and didn't find the information I needed so thought I'd get a little help.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by dnmun » Aug 11 2015 2:00pm

there is a third trimpot close to the TL494 IC controller chip. see if you can find it and post up a picture.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by alsmith » Aug 12 2015 11:11am

dnmun wrote:there is a third trimpot close to the TL494 IC controller chip. see if you can find it and post up a picture.
as said a couple of posts ago I found a third pot right in the corner hiding under the mains in and the fuse wiring after trying the two I'd seen initially which adjusted current when tried so knew there must be another somewhere. I haven't tried adjusting it yet but I'm hoping that the range will extend down to act as a 12V charger. The charger is nominally 8A so I'll need to check if that stays the same when the voltage is lowered but I'll possibly lower it anyway because it's very close to the maximum charge rate for the battery.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by dnmun » Aug 12 2015 11:44am

i doubt if it will go down to 12V but that is the trimpot that adjusts the output voltage.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by alsmith » Aug 15 2015 10:11am

Nope- too far.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by Alan B » Aug 15 2015 10:27am

The adjustments are not wide ranging, other components are changed for various voltage ranges and the trimpots are only for fine tuning.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by alsmith » Aug 18 2015 8:02am

An aside- what do you guys use to hold components in place to stop damage by vibration? I recently had a capacitor leg snap. I guess potting compound but those one use pack things seem an expensive answer for one component.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by kdog » Aug 19 2015 5:54am

Thanks dnmun for your help last week
My parts arrived, in they went, and now I have a functioning charger again.
I've another charger to fix but it'll be for a later date
Thanks again
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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by Sunder » Sep 07 2015 7:27am

Hey guys, not sure if this is the right thread to post in since my charger isn't broken, but the level of knowledge here is astounding - way past what I need for such a noob question.

Long story short, I'm moving from 12s to 16s, and was hoping I could adjust the charger (EMC1000) up. Based on this thread and others, it looks like a matter of finding the right trim pot and adjusting. As many others have noted, though, the Andersons don't get power until a battery is hooked up presumably closing a relay.

Does this mean if I take off the cover, there will be a location before the relay that I can read the voltage off, or is it not that simple? I just need to know where i can read the output voltage without having to hook up a battery (which will alter the result anyway)

I've barely used this charger and it'd be a waste to just put it in storage and get a new one if I can't adjust it, so any help would be appreciated.
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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by dnmun » Sep 07 2015 8:34am

it has been a long time since i had one of them open but as i recall the EMC1000 is hard to reach the spot where the positive output goes to the relay. you have to take the end cover off and stick the probes in under stuff.

the output from the schottky diodes goes to the toroid so follow those traces from the toroid over to the relay and on the negative or ground side look for the traces that go to the shunt wire and past it.

the voltage trimpot is on the very end. i think there is a picture somewhere of which one it is.

the transformers are designed for specific voltage ranges so it may be hard to increase the voltage by 33%. i would expect the power output to increase 33% also because the current the oscillator pushes is fixed by a resistor attached to the source leg of the switching mosfet on the driving section. but i do not know that for certain. just assume it.

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by Sunder » Sep 07 2015 5:32pm

Thanks for the quick reply.

What inspired me was a thread on another forum that said they modified a EMC400 to do between 2v and 104v, using a combination of the "coarse" and "fine" trim pot. That said, I think the test was only done with a multimeter, and it was never attached to a battery, so it's possible that the 2v and the 104v was never a feasible voltage. That thread was old anyway. Like 2012. So maybe they've changed schematics since then.

I might pop it open this weekend anyway if I have time, and compare photos and see if mine looks a lot like the old one, or nothing like it. While it's open, I might take a photo - Would you mind helping me identify if the transformer would be within range?
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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by BoomerChomsi » May 28 2016 3:06am

I have EMC600 chargers how do I have to modify. so I can set voltage to 29.4V?

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by wojtek » Sep 18 2017 1:23pm

Hello,

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by Infiniti3d » Jan 07 2018 4:11am

Hello all. I am new to this forum and found this topic on Google. We ordered 12pcs 12.6V 3S - 10A C300 Chargers from ecitypower BMSbattery.com. We intended to use them to Charge our 50Ah Lithium packs for outdoor purpose. On arrival we unpacked one and plugged it to the AC power outlet 230VAC (no battery on the DC). The light came on briefly and then a short pop! Checking the fuse and it was burned. Replaced the fuse and connected it again to the wall 230VAC (no battery to DC) and nothing happend, no light, no current on the DC. So I thought bad luck, lets try the other twelve units. Now it gets really strange, all twelve units show the same problem and burn the fuse and after replacing it they don't show any sign at all, no light no current on DC just completely dead! We opened and checked the board and components but there is no visual sign of anything burned. One unit had a burned smell but also checking this one inside there was nothing to see. I am trying to get my money back. I have no confident in the products from BMS as you can understand. If one unit fail this can happen but all twelve? :?:

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by amberwolf » Jan 07 2018 11:31pm

Are they 230VAC input units?

Or are they 115VAC input units?

Or do they have a switch, and if so, what is it set to?

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Re: BMS Battery Alloy Shell Charger Problems

Post by Sunder » Jan 08 2018 6:56am

Have you got the polarity right?

The use a strange reverse connection sensing method, so that when there is no battery connected, it shows the reverse of the expected polarity. its strange and I killed a few fuses that way.
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