13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

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13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

Post by madin88 » Feb 02, 2016 11:41 am

Hi,

this is the case i'm looking for:

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complete batteries are widely available on aliexpress with 10s5p or 13s4p configuration and even 14s4p would if the cells assembled side by side without the plastic holder (for instance Luna Cylce offers this configuration), but i would like to purchase the case only and use cells for my specific needs together with a high-current smart BMS.

Luna 14s4p Battery (without holders):
https://electricfatbike.files.wordpress ... 557521.jpg

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Re: 13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

Post by tomjasz » Feb 03, 2016 7:28 pm

Thanks Justin_le we're here thanks to you. All the best to the mods for their tireless work keeping it on an even keel.

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Re: 13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

Post by tomjasz » Feb 03, 2016 7:32 pm

Thanks Justin_le we're here thanks to you. All the best to the mods for their tireless work keeping it on an even keel.

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Re: 13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

Post by madin88 » Feb 07, 2016 4:12 pm

tomjasz wrote:Look for it by name Hailong case.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2 ... .11.wjeyoN
nice find, thanks^^ will contact the supplier.
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Re: 13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

Post by tomjasz » Feb 07, 2016 4:36 pm

One place they say minimum 10 another minimum 5. I'd take two on a group buy.
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Post by Hillhater » Feb 07, 2016 5:47 pm

I would take a pair also, but we seem to be shipping worldwide now :lol:
Anyone got a quote yet ?
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Re: 13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

Post by tomjasz » Feb 07, 2016 6:00 pm

I'd guess because they ship by volume as well as weight they will be $45 distributed. Adding maybe $10 in shipping if there was a group buy distribution. I wrote Eric at Luna and suggested this item be stocked, but that will take weeks if not months to come to fruition. Hopefully he has already ordered some!!

I've searched nearly an hour every other day for the case. After a couple if weeks this is the best lead for a "Hailong-1".

I also suggested in several contact that the vendor would do well selling individual packs. I'm hitting up my battery supplier as well but noticed they no longer list this case. Grrrrrrr.
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Post by tomjasz » Feb 07, 2016 6:04 pm

HA! They pulled their store for the holiday!
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Re: 13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

Post by t3sla » Feb 07, 2016 10:22 pm

http://en.kssssj.cn/ is the manufacture, but please don't try contact them....

Sates side sellers are going all out packing this case with 29E/29PD and then trying to draw 40A out of it......

The things really designed for the 250W/350W eBike market.

Take a look at the discharge pin female mount
pin out on slim dolphin.GIF
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I guess if you parallel them in groups of two you would stand a better chance :oops:
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Post by Hillhater » Feb 08, 2016 6:59 pm

tomjasz wrote:Look for it by name Hailong case.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2 ... .11.wjeyoN
Do I read that description correct...?
.... We like this battery because it has a cool cell holding block that bolts together holding the cells in the needed configuration. The cell holding block eliminates time consuming spot welding and makes swapping out a defective cell a breeze compared to the spot welded packs. -
So you can assemble a 13S, 4P, pack using loose 18650's, without any spot welding ! :shock:
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Re: 13s4p "shark" battery -> where to buy case only?

Post by tomjasz » Feb 08, 2016 7:57 pm

NAH! Chinglish.

EVA will sell them one at a time after the 17th.

www.amazing-battery.com
eva@amazing-battery.com
eva.amazingbattery@gmail.com
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Post by Hillhater » Feb 08, 2016 9:32 pm

tomjasz wrote:NAH! Chinglish.
.?? How so ?
That comment came from the EMPowerdcycles. Blog....that you posted the link to
Those are.the guys in SoCal who assemble these packs .
If true, it would make diy pack assembly a doddle ! :o
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Post by tomjasz » Feb 09, 2016 12:51 am

Sorry I thought you grabbed it from the site with the case.YES! I remember Biktrix posting a compression pack using that case.
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Post by tomjasz » Feb 09, 2016 12:54 am

I think...
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Post by Hillhater » Feb 09, 2016 4:36 pm

Thanks agnuism, that certainly looks the boy.
Detail pics show the internal screw together cell holder, but no hint of how the contacts are configured ?
Still, for $53 delivered its worth a sample .[img]
http://g04.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.GvcLpXX ... XFXXXV.jpg[/img]
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Post by agniusm » Feb 10, 2016 1:27 am

you will have to spotweld cells. you can see tracks on the holder for nickel strip.

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Post by Hillhater » Feb 10, 2016 6:29 am

agniusm wrote:you will have to spotweld cells. you can see tracks on the holder for nickel strip.
Hmm.? ?.I see what you are thinking, but That is not what these guys say,...
http://www.empoweredcycles.com/blogs/ne ... y-pack-fyi
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Post by tomjasz » Feb 10, 2016 1:04 pm

Roshan at biktrix indicated there was a compression pack and showed this same kit with batteries. I tried unsuccessfully to get a case then.

Ordered!
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Post by eMax » Feb 11, 2016 6:52 am

Hi guys

I sell these cases (eMax eBikes Aus) and there is no special trick to get away from spot welding. The cell holding design is quite sturdy but you still need to weld together the cells in your desired combination.

The pack sits well on the bike but we always end up adding extra holes in the metal baseplate for a strong zip=tie or similar.

THe pack does have its shortcomings but probably the best frame-mount style currently available.
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Post by Hillhater » Feb 11, 2016 5:08 pm

EMax, thanks for the input, but now you have really confused me !
...but I guess you are in the best position to comment as you use the cases.
Maybe there is more than one internal cell holder available ?
How much do you sell the case for ?
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Post by eMax » Feb 11, 2016 6:18 pm

No there is only one design.
There is no way you would get the compression you need from the plastic shell. Also the cells are horizontally aligned and the case screws together vertically.

I don't have any spare cases without cells in them at the moment. I can order some if you are willing to wait. We can make custom spec batteries for this case but all involve spot welding.
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Post by Hillhater » Feb 11, 2016 8:07 pm

I suspect there is some missing info here somewhere.
The EMPowerdcycles site clearly states there are two internal configurations for these packs, a 52 cell, "compression" only version using a special internal clamping cell holder rack, and a 56 cell spot well only version .
Personally , I suspect there are possibly other versions also for different voltages and cell counts ( I have seen 36 v, 40 cell versions offered.
Some of the images on line also show both welded pack assemblies and non welded packs , clearly showing the horozontal clamping arrangement....like this...
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Post by tomjasz » Mar 08, 2016 11:50 pm

Mine came today. $53
I'm not impressed. The Dolphin is a superior case, questions and pictures to follow. I wish I'd have ordered a dolphin...guess I will do that next. Came 13s4p 52 cells. Have to decide, do i build or sell off and wait for dolphin. Dolphin us definitely more robust.
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Post by Acenobody » Mar 09, 2016 5:48 am

tomjasz wrote:Mine came today.
I'm very much looking forward for your opinion and pictures. And a final answer about the need to spot weld or not?

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