kWeld - "Next level" DIY battery spot welder

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Post by flippy » May 10 2019 3:52am

i am looking at the cases and some questions pop up.
how does the fan cooling work for the kCap? i see a fan header but i dont see a mount for a fan.
i am also missing a STL for 3d printing the kCap case, the kWeld does have one.
can you design a case that will fit a 12cm fan and completly covers the capacitors you nothing can get near the caps?

doesnt the kWeld need any cooling? a small fan at the top or rear of the STL version of the case might help in the lifespan of the diode(s) and heavy usage.
the acrylic version has millions of holes but the STL is completly closed. a option for a rear mounted fan and a small grill in the front to get some airflow inside the case should help offset the lack of holes.
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Post by tatus1969 » May 10 2019 11:58am

I finally made it! "kSupply" power supply module 0-12V 0-70A to charge the ultracapacitor modules are ordered and available in my shop for preorder. https://www.keenlab.de/index.php/product/ksupply/ 8)
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Post by tatus1969 » May 10 2019 12:06pm

flippy wrote:
May 10 2019 3:52am
how does the fan cooling work for the kCap? i see a fan header but i dont see a mount for a fan.
You need four 50mm M4 standoffs and then you can do this:
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i am also missing a STL for 3d printing the kCap case, the kWeld does have one.
can you design a case that will fit a 12cm fan and completly covers the capacitors you nothing can get near the caps?
I went away from 3D printing because print services for that were much more expensive than laser cutting services. But there is a community contribution. I've never put it online because I couldn't find the time to test it. If someone reports me that it works the I can do that.
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flippy wrote:
May 10 2019 3:52am
doesnt the kWeld need any cooling? a small fan at the top or rear of the STL version of the case might help in the lifespan of the diode(s) and heavy usage.
I'm afraid but I don't know for the 3D case. The laser cut case doesn't need a fan, I could never bring the unit into overtemp protection.
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May 10 2019 3:52am
the acrylic version has millions of holes but the STL is completly closed.
I could supply the original Sketchup files, would you be interested in extending that to fit a fan?
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Post by flippy » May 10 2019 3:24pm

sure, ill, help. might take a while for me to have actual time to do it proper but i'll tinker with it when i have free time.

if you have the original files i can see if i can make a better solution that does not include a fan that is just a magnet for stuff to drop into.
i got a massive 3d printer that can easely print these big things.
i will PM you my email adress to send them to.
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Post by BenjAZ » May 20 2019 9:19am

I'm so pleased with my kweld!
I cannot believe the difference between this great device compared to my previous chinese spot welder :D

However, to weld 0.2mm nickel strips for a whole 50cells battery I've noticed the wires (battery and electrodes) get quite hot.
I was wondering what is the best way to cool down the wires.

Last time I leaved the electrodes on a frozen gel bag from time to time and swapping between both identical batteries I've got.
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What's the best way to cool down the wires?

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Post by flippy » May 20 2019 9:48am

i am working on active watercooling for each of the leads. especially with .3 nickel or copper shit gets hot real fast.

if i get my kweld i will make the cooling to fit and print some handles that have the cooling built in. but it has to be fully isolated dual cooling setup otherwise you would get 2000 amps tru the watercooling, no bueno.
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Post by tatus1969 » May 21 2019 3:57am

BenjAZ wrote:
May 20 2019 9:19am
I was wondering what is the best way to cool down the wires.
I use to have a glass of water and stick them in that briefly. They cool down rapidly when doing this.
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Post by Headrc » May 21 2019 7:49am

Has anyone welded 1.5mm nickel plated copper with the Kweld? If so ....what power rating do you use? And are you using the standard electrodes?

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Post by Merlin » May 21 2019 7:52am

1.5mm copper?

i havent.

but maybe ask these 2 guys. looks like they have the right tool for 1.5mm copper welds :D
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Post by tatus1969 » May 21 2019 9:32am

Headrc wrote:
May 21 2019 7:49am
Has anyone welded 1.5mm nickel plated copper with the Kweld? If so ....what power rating do you use? And are you using the standard electrodes?
Do you by chance mean 0.15mm?
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Post by BenjAZ » May 21 2019 9:33am

tatus1969 wrote:
May 21 2019 3:57am
I use to have a glass of water and stick them in that briefly. They cool down rapidly when doing this.
Ok, I'll try tomorrow as I have to weld a 14s33p battery pack :wink:

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Post by flippy » May 21 2019 10:53am

i see the power supply board on preorder.

would using a regular 500W-ish ATX PSU be a valid solution? i would really like to weld without having a plane take off on my workbench. would the PCB limit the current enough to prevent a OCP shutdown of a regular power supply?
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Post by tatus1969 » May 23 2019 6:03am

flippy wrote:
May 21 2019 10:53am
would using a regular 500W-ish ATX PSU be a valid solution? i would really like to weld without having a plane take off on my workbench. would the PCB limit the current enough to prevent a OCP shutdown of a regular power supply?
Any capable 12V supply will work, and the kSupply current limit is adjustable via a small potentiometer. You can tune it such that the 12V supply doesn't run into overcurrent protection.
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Post by BenjAZ » May 24 2019 2:43am

After nearly 6000 welds in the last two days, I can say I LOVE my kWeld!

I got about 1400 welds with one charge (Turnigy nano-tech 3s 5000mAh 65-130C), but perhaps I could get more because suddently the battery dropped 0.5V and I had to swap it by an identical battery.
At this moment I changed from manual mode (pedal) to auto, so my leg loves the auto mode! :lol:

Welding 0.15mm nickel strips does not generate that much heat (@15J), but I keep using my frozen gel bag to cool down the electrodes while I'm cutting the nickel strips.

Congrats to the kWeld maker!!

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Post by Headrc » May 24 2019 8:04am

My mistake ....LOL ...I meant .15mm copper of course. So has anyone successfully welded .15mm copper with their Kweld?

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Post by tatus1969 » May 24 2019 8:38am

BenjAZ wrote:
May 24 2019 2:43am
Congrats to the kWeld maker!!
Thanks 8)
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Post by ossivirt » May 24 2019 1:01pm

Headrc wrote:
May 24 2019 8:04am
My mistake ....LOL ...I meant .15mm copper of course. So has anyone successfully welded .15mm copper with their Kweld?
It should be possible. I have only 0.1 and 0.2mm. I made one battery with 0.1mm and it welds ok at 50j and my battery amps are 1500A. 0.2mm I have only tried for a few welds and I probably need battery current closer to 2000A to get good welds. I wanted to test 0.15mm but could not find it easily.

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Post by ridethelightning » May 24 2019 6:59pm

ossivirt wrote:
May 24 2019 1:01pm
Headrc wrote:
May 24 2019 8:04am
My mistake ....LOL ...I meant .15mm copper of course. So has anyone successfully welded .15mm copper with their Kweld?
It should be possible. I have only 0.1 and 0.2mm. I made one battery with 0.1mm and it welds ok at 50j and my battery amps are 1500A. 0.2mm I have only tried for a few welds and I probably need battery current closer to 2000A to get good welds. I wanted to test 0.15mm but could not find it easily.
this is good info. im going to modify a welder for copper welding. looks like i need to aim for 2000-3000amps to do any decent copper welding. btw did you use tungsten electrode tips? i have found that to be the key.
also, the highest possible energy in shortest possible time.

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Post by spinningmagnets » May 24 2019 8:54pm

ride the lightning, I don't know if carbon tips would work, but I have some for experiments. PM me your address and I'll send you a couple.

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Post by ridethelightning » May 24 2019 10:44pm

Thanks spinningmagnets,pm sent.

the other thing i will test is doing the spotwelding in an open topped tub, filled with argon.
as iv seen mentioned before, and can verify from experience is that after a while the tungsten tips get brittle and bits bust off and stick to the weld. this is due to oxidation, as the tips get cherry red every time you make a weld(thats how the copper fuses)
not a big issue but id like to fix it if pos.
argon is a heavy gas from memory, so as long as i dont stir up the gas, it should sit in the tub, over the cells.....reminds me of the 1st alien movie with the eggs sitting there :mrgreen:

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Post by eee291 » May 25 2019 1:06am

Just make sure you don't suffocate, do it in a well ventilated area :lol:

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Post by ridethelightning » May 25 2019 1:54am

yep, got that :D

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Post by ossivirt » May 25 2019 3:16am

ridethelightning wrote:
May 24 2019 6:59pm
ossivirt wrote:
May 24 2019 1:01pm
Headrc wrote:
May 24 2019 8:04am
My mistake ....LOL ...I meant .15mm copper of course. So has anyone successfully welded .15mm copper with their Kweld?
It should be possible. I have only 0.1 and 0.2mm. I made one battery with 0.1mm and it welds ok at 50j and my battery amps are 1500A. 0.2mm I have only tried for a few welds and I probably need battery current closer to 2000A to get good welds. I wanted to test 0.15mm but could not find it easily.
this is good info. im going to modify a welder for copper welding. looks like i need to aim for 2000-3000amps to do any decent copper welding. btw did you use tungsten electrode tips? i have found that to be the key.
also, the highest possible energy in shortest possible time.
Just original electrodes.

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Post by Compoundbike » May 26 2019 3:33pm

how good are the welds compared to sunkko ? sorry for the dumb question.. but im tired of my sukko which delivers self releasing welds. :flame: :shock: :evil: so im thinking about a k-Weld.

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Post by ossivirt » May 26 2019 4:06pm

Compoundbike wrote:
May 26 2019 3:33pm
how good are the welds compared to sunkko ? sorry for the dumb question.. but im tired of my sukko which delivers self releasing welds. :flame: :shock: :evil: so im thinking about a k-Weld.
How to best describe the difference :roll:

I did multiple welds to 0.15mm nickel with sunko and prayed afterwards that even one of then would hold. With kweld every single one is constantly strong and I need pliers to rip off the nickel and it tears of around the weld points leaving the welds and rest of the nickel still attached to the cell.

I have the cheapest possible sunko welder so I had it at maximum settings and kweld beats it even at very low energy levels. (10j)

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