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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Ohbse » Sep 23 2019 1:30pm

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? Are you suggesting they never ran a full lap ?
But they just spent several days there running laps with the stated intention of setting a time.
So why no time posted ? Not even an “unofficial” time ?
They were happy to post a time for Laguna
At least they qualified for the “Bongard” club. !
No time is posted because they have yet to run a 7:20. The data logging reveals that putting together elements of other laps, the car as is will run a 7:20. They are running in a manufacturers pool, they are running into traffic multiple times a lap. Theoretical lap from peak deviation is a standard feature in all track data acquisition equipment, this is completely normal. To set an official record you need an exclusive slot without anybody else present, there's nothing nefarious going on, it's just that the track is busy and booked months in advance!

You guys are missing the whole point of the 800v feature, it's 400 more V than their competitors! It doesn't matter that it offers no actual advantage and increases unit costs and development time, everyone knows bigger numbers are better, duh.

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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Hillhater » Sep 23 2019 7:20pm

Ohbse wrote:
Sep 23 2019 1:30pm

No time is posted because they have yet to run a 7:20. The data logging reveals that putting together elements of other laps, the car as is will run a 7:20. They are running in a manufacturers pool, they are running into traffic multiple times a lap. Theoretical lap from peak deviation is a standard feature in all track data acquisition equipment, this is completely normal. To set an official record you need an exclusive slot without anybody else present, there's nothing nefarious going on, it's just that the track is busy and booked months in advance!....
Yes, i understand how they gat a “virtual” lap time..but...
...where did that 7:23 recorded by Autoblog come from ?....did Teslas data logging miss that one ? ...unfortunate ., that would have made a good “unofficial” time to spruke.
....why would Tesla make such a pubic /MSM noise about lapping the ‘Ring. If they knew they could not run a clean lap. ( Several people have suggested they could have negotiated a 15 min exclusive slot )

You are assuming the incomplete lap is due to traffic...
.... I could infer that the 7:20 “composite” time indicates that maybe the car was not able to maintain maximum performance over one complete lap ( as with all previous M “S” attempts )
..just depends which way you want to spin it
But leaving the circuit on the back of a recovery truck was not a good look !
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Arlo1 » Sep 23 2019 11:13pm

Hillhater wrote:
Sep 23 2019 7:20pm
Ohbse wrote:
Sep 23 2019 1:30pm

No time is posted because they have yet to run a 7:20. The data logging reveals that putting together elements of other laps, the car as is will run a 7:20. They are running in a manufacturers pool, they are running into traffic multiple times a lap. Theoretical lap from peak deviation is a standard feature in all track data acquisition equipment, this is completely normal. To set an official record you need an exclusive slot without anybody else present, there's nothing nefarious going on, it's just that the track is busy and booked months in advance!....
Yes, i understand how they gat a “virtual” lap time..but...
...where did that 7:23 recorded by Autoblog come from ?....did Teslas data logging miss that one ? ...unfortunate ., that would have made a good “unofficial” time to spruke.
....why would Tesla make such a pubic /MSM noise about lapping the ‘Ring. If they knew they could not run a clean lap. ( Several people have suggested they could have negotiated a 15 min exclusive slot )

You are assuming the incomplete lap is due to traffic...
.... I could infer that the 7:20 “composite” time indicates that maybe the car was not able to maintain maximum performance over one complete lap ( as with all previous M “S” attempts )
..just depends which way you want to spin it
But leaving the circuit on the back of a recovery truck was not a good look !

What I found and I will link the Now you know video is they actually ran a lap but its not official because for it to be official it would have to be timed at an event done by the track them self's but this was not an official event meaning there was no transponder on the car hence the phase hand stopped.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Hillhater » Sep 24 2019 5:42am

A sadly misinformed pair of Tesla fan boys. They need to get their facts correct.
There was no lap time , unofficial , or hand timed, because Tesla never ran more than one lap without recharging.
And that means you do not cover a full lap..the exit is before the start point.
They did not need hand timing or the track timing .... they had it all on data loggers.
Tesla have posted some of the datalogging info , but why not show the timing from the logger also ?
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Arlo1 » Sep 24 2019 4:22pm

Hillhater wrote:
Sep 24 2019 5:42am
A sadly misinformed pair of Tesla fan boys. They need to get their facts correct.
There was no lap time , unofficial , or hand timed, because Tesla never ran more than one lap without recharging.
And that means you do not cover a full lap..the exit is before the start point.
They did not need hand timing or the track timing .... they had it all on data loggers.
Tesla have posted some of the datalogging info , but why not show the timing from the logger also ?
Where do you get that information from?

Porsche also did not have an official times as it was not an Event.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Hillhater » Sep 24 2019 7:36pm

? which part ?..

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/09/here ... rburgring/
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Due to the fact the the public is not allowed into the T13 area during any industry session the lap times were taken from the first corner after the start (Nordkehre, or North Corner).
Because our guy with the watch can’t see over the hill they have to guesstimate when the car finishes by listening to when it goes over the curbs just before the finish line. So please take that time with a grain of salt. We will have to wait until Tesla releases the official times to confirm......

...A few details about the runs themselves. First, the Model S testers only completed one lap each run before they stopped. We don’t believe this is due to any overheating issues (that we know of, yet) but it’s just done to recharge. ........
And from a ‘Ring track guide site...
...... You enter the track through a set of ticket gates, run your lap, and then exit back into the paddock about 200 feet behind where you started. You can choose to drive right back up to the gates for another lap, or peel off into the paddock to cool down.....
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Tesla posted the Data logging reference on Twitspeak,. So we know they have all the timing information.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Arlo1 » Sep 25 2019 10:16am

Hillhater wrote:
Sep 24 2019 7:36pm
? which part ?..

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/09/here ... rburgring/
Yes your link confirms what I said.
If (probably when) either of these automakers decide to set an official lap time, they will have be full production cars and go through through stringent inspection with no non-production parts allowed other than for safety.

They will then be timed in an official session set aside for lap records and if a record is set than the lap time, car model, driver and video will be posted on the official Nürburgring site.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Hillhater » Sep 25 2019 5:42pm

Yes ,..but what you said has been known from the start...
Hillhater wrote:
Sep 10 2019 12:58am
These track test comparisons are interesting for sure, but they do not mean much unless thy are conducted by reputable independent, unbiased, testers (R &T, C & D, Motor, etc etc) and using “showroom” spec vehicles ( with safety additions), and the same driver
Otherwise , the result is simply proportional to the amount of money and resource the manufacturers throw at the attempt.
But the question remains ....where did those 7;20+ “lap” times that were reported come from ?
According to that article, they were at best an “estimate” for an incomplete lap.
Teslas own “Can do 7;20” we know is a virtual time, which they may as well have generated from Grand Turismo 4 Sim game !
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by boars » Sep 26 2019 12:49am

No point bickering over what ifs, could be's and maybe's - neither car has an official time - lets move on and wait for some official times to eventually emerge.

:bigthumb:

At any rate, they're both bloody quick and I'd happily have either in my garage.

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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Arlo1 » Sep 26 2019 5:02pm

boars wrote:
Sep 26 2019 12:49am
No point bickering over what ifs, could be's and maybe's - neither car has an official time - lets move on and wait for some official times to eventually emerge.

:bigthumb:

At any rate, they're both bloody quick and I'd happily have either in my garage.
Only way for an OFFICIAL time is for Nuremberg to put on an event and the cars to come as OEMs otherwise Nuremberg considers it unofficial even if you come to an event with a concept car or if you get anyone you want with any equipment they want to record it and do what ever with it. IF they did not clock your time themselves at an official even its not official.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Hillhater » Sep 26 2019 5:23pm

Arlo1 wrote:
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Only way for an OFFICIAL time is for Nuremberg to put on an event and the cars to come as OEMs otherwise Nuremberg considers it unofficial .........
Yes, but that means you wont see an official time for Tesla for a long while as it is not a production car.
Personally, i am more interested in. Discovering what Tesla has done with the battery pack to both allow more power to be used for much longer than previously possible without heat issues.
As with all performance EVs ,.. the battery is the key. !
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Arlo1 » Sep 26 2019 6:54pm

Hillhater wrote:
Sep 26 2019 5:23pm
Arlo1 wrote:
Sep 26 2019 5:02pm
Only way for an OFFICIAL time is for Nuremberg to put on an event and the cars to come as OEMs otherwise Nuremberg considers it unofficial .........
Yes, but that means you wont see an official time for Tesla for a long while as it is not a production car.
Personally, i am more interested in. Discovering what Tesla has done with the battery pack to both allow more power to be used for much longer than previously possible without heat issues.
As with all performance EVs ,.. the battery is the key. !
You won't see and "OFFICIAL" time from Porsche or Tesla for a long time. But Tesla will release a video.
Tesla just patented a new chemistry and bought maxwel for their dry electrode. They are making those in china in the new cars already. Its a NMCA chemistry with the dry electrode good for more power longer life more range and cheaper to produce.
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by Arlo1 » Oct 03 2019 1:57am

New record again this 1/4...... Yup they are sure getting close to bankruptcy.... you know while they sell more then they ever have and their backlog of orders is getting bigger and bigger... The other car manufactures are down 10-20% in sales..... Hmm Yup Tesla is going down for sure.. bahahahahahahahahahahh https://electrek.co/2019/10/02/tesla-re ... veries-q3/
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by jonescg » Oct 03 2019 7:47pm

I'm sure there's a way to spin this in a negative light... just wait :roll:

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Post by Arlo1 » Oct 03 2019 11:55pm

jonescg wrote:
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I'm sure there's a way to spin this in a negative light... just wait :roll:
Its funny if you google it... That's exactly what the main stream media is trying to do....
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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by SlowCo » Oct 04 2019 6:25am

In our country (NL/EU) the Tesla Model 3 was the best selling (new/lease/company) car in the month September. I suspect it will keep the lead until the end of the year. But next year the tax (bijtelling) will go up for company electric lease cars so that might change things.

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Re: Tesla Model 3

Post by raylo32 » Oct 07 2019 8:06am

These cars are great for local/commuting duty... there are MANY in my area... but road trips? Not so much. I just got back from a vacation to Maine and we stopped at some service plazas along the way. Some had Supercharger installations... that were always occupied, with other cars waiting. I can't imagine being in that situation. We had lunch, got fuel, walked the dog... and the same Teslas were still on the chargers. I guess the drivers were having an extended lunch. And the others waiting for their turn? Yikes.

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Post by Arlo1 » Oct 07 2019 11:23am

raylo32 wrote:
Oct 07 2019 8:06am
These cars are great for local/commuting duty... there are MANY in my area... but road trips? Not so much. I just got back from a vacation to Maine and we stopped at some service plazas along the way. Some had Supercharger installations... that were always occupied, with other cars waiting. I can't imagine being in that situation. We had lunch, got fuel, walked the dog... and the same Teslas were still on the chargers. I guess the drivers were having an extended lunch. And the others waiting for their turn? Yikes.
If you use the charge icon on the maps it will help you with that.

Also A Better Root planner is a good app to help with this.
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