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EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 16 2020 5:01am
by Hillhater
It sems the Ecro car makers are not going to make it easy for the EV revolution...
IONITY, a European EV charging network owned by BMW, Daimler, Ford, Hyundai, Kia, and VW Group (with Audi and Porsche) has announced that prices will be going up over 500% starting January 31 as they transition to a pay-per-kWh system.

Previously, IONITY charged a flat, fixed rate of €8 for a DCFC charging session. This was a good deal if you showed up with an empty battery and filled most of the way. If you arrived with, say, 10% battery remaining, and added 60 kWh during your charging session, then you’d get away with paying about €0.13 per kWh. For context, in France, electricity costs about €0.19 per kWh at home, and €0.24 per kWh at Tesla Superchargers. In Germany, you pay €0.30 per kWh at home, and €0.33 at Tesla Superchargers in Germany.

Starting next month, however, IONITY will be charging users a whopping €0.79 per kWh. (PDF press release). The Audi e-Tron battery is 95 kWh, so if you “filled it up” with 80 kWh, that’s €63.20 to travel probably about 160 miles, give or take. ]
https://electrek.co/2020/01/17/ionity-i ... anuary-31/
As they say...”There is no such thing as a free lunch !”

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 16 2020 9:49pm
by boars
Well this should certainly help Tesla sell some more vehicles, who'd want to deal with other charging networks? :shock:

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 2:15am
by Hillhater
Its hard to see the logic in such an increase, It cannot improve revenue significantly as there are few VW, Ford, BMW, etc ,..EVs . And it will not encourage sales of those either.....
...But it will give Tesla another marketing advantage, ..providing they do not copy the idea !

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 3:40am
by john61ct
I am certain subsidies will stop and profits maximized on all privately owned EVSE networks, including Tesla's one day.

But this is sooner and a bigger jump than I expected.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 8:18am
by boars
Hillhater wrote:
Feb 17 2020 2:15am
Its hard to see the logic in such an increase, It cannot improve revenue significantly as there are few VW, Ford, BMW, etc ,..EVs . And it will not encourage sales of those either.....
...But it will give Tesla another marketing advantage, ..providing they do not copy the idea !
They certainly won't need to giveaway free unlimited recharging with new cars any time soon, just point at the other network and go we aren't them.

% increases aside it's just not competitive with the Tesla supercharger network which is clearly a vastly superior network that is now also much more affordable.

Makes the TCO's of VW etc cars look even worse? Inferior range, inferior price, inferior charging network and now to add most expensive charge while out and about?

What advantage do they have in any area of EV? Feels like the one thing they could have used as a lure in the short term is now gone.

I'm hoping someone points out where I'm wrong, I want the whole EV segment to succeed but this seems so counter intuitive... Healthy competition is always good.

This blows my simple mind haha

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 8:42am
by john61ct
Looks like they want to push drivers toward the annual subscription contracts with the carmakers

https://www.electricfelix.com/blog/the- ... und-europe

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 8:51am
by boars
john61ct wrote:
Feb 17 2020 8:42am
Looks like they want to push drivers toward the annual subscription contracts with the carmakers

https://www.electricfelix.com/blog/the- ... und-europe
Ah I missed that gem, ironically though that's more repulsive to me than just a price increase.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 9:14am
by obcd
Most EV's are bought by companies. They are simply charged at the company during daytime.
So the charging stations are not used enough to pay off for their investment.
Solution: increase the price for a charge.
People still using the charging station have no alternative as they clearly need some charge quick and fast. (to move further)
So, they will be used less, but the higher price will compensate for that. It's all just a marketing strategy.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 9:22am
by john61ct
Sure, but when all the non EV drivers hear that filling up an EV costs more than with fossil fuel, that will reduce EV adoption rates.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 9:40am
by Hillhater
obcd wrote:
Feb 17 2020 9:14am
Most EV's are bought by companies. ....
Evidence ?

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 10:36am
by obcd
Our gouvernment stopped giving a fee to individuals who bought an EV. They claimed it wasn't used much anyhow.
Companies are able to add such a car to their expenses for 120% the first 2 years and for 100% a couple more years.
My boss drives electric, and it's surely not because he's worried about the environment and climate heat.
Besides companies, what individuals can afford buying a 50000 euro car, not knowing how long it's battery will last?
Maybe in the us the situation is different, but in my country, most ev's are company owned car's.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 17 2020 10:43am
by john61ct
In Norway 56% of cars sold are electric, doubt those are "mostly companies"

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 25 2020 2:01pm
by John in CR
Over 30cents/kwh for electricity. :shock: That must be in large part because the average German household uses so much less electricity than a lot of other countries... eg less than 1/3 of the household kwh's used in the US and Canada. Hopefully as they transition to electric transportation, middle of the night charging can better balance their grid load to reap the benefits of the green energy sources they invested so heavily in. With the government controlling prices, you can bet the tax payers will only get screwed even more.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Feb 25 2020 5:00pm
by john61ct
That does not seem too pricey to me.

Whatever can be done to encourage efficiency is A Good Thing.

Long as EVs are subsidized for consumers until only antique collectors are still using ICE.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Jun 13 2020 2:44pm
by Cephalotus
79ct/kWh is the maximum price. You can use other tariffs to use the Ionity system with prices around 30-40ct/kWh, which is not so far away from typical household tarifs and okay for occasional(!) super quick charging.

Super fast chargers are not meant for everyday charging if you have other options available, they are for long distance driving and 30-40ct/kWh would be okayish for me.

Keep in mind that gasoline is expensive, too.

if you want to charge for cheap your own solar system is helpful with charging costs for solar electricity at 9ct/kWh.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Jun 14 2020 12:34am
by Hillhater
Cephalotus wrote:
Jun 13 2020 2:44pm
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if you want to charge for cheap your own solar system is helpful with charging costs for solar electricity at 9ct/kWh.
But, every kWh you divert to charge your EV is a kWh you do not have for use in the house !..so you would have to replace it with a grid supplied kWh at market prices.
Effectively you are charging your EV with grid priced kWh.
Unless you have a solar system capable of generating a surplus of 50 +kWh per day ? (I doubt many have that )

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Jun 14 2020 4:44pm
by Cephalotus
Hillhater wrote:
Jun 14 2020 12:34am
Cephalotus wrote:
Jun 13 2020 2:44pm
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if you want to charge for cheap your own solar system is helpful with charging costs for solar electricity at 9ct/kWh.
But, every kWh you divert to charge your EV is a kWh you do not have for use in the house !..so you would have to replace it with a grid supplied kWh at market prices.
Effectively you are charging your EV with grid priced kWh.
Unless you have a solar system capable of generating a surplus of 50 +kWh per day ? (I doubt many have that )
Average driving distance for cars is less than 14,000km/year over here.

At 20kWh/100km from the plug this translates to 2800kWh/year or roughly 50kWh per WEEK.

Typical houshold electricity consumption is around 3,000kWh/year over here.

Solar is so cheap those days that its always adviseable not to mess around with tiny insatllations but fill the roof. A 10kWp systeme will produce 10,000kWh/year.

Yu can feed excessive solar power tothe grid and you get paid 9ct/kWh.

so if yo charge your electric car (which needs 50-60kWh per WEEK) with your solar power you loose the feed in tarif which is 9ct/kWh.

If you don#T have solar available you have to charge from the grid, so depending on your situation you have a mixed price.

because gasoline costs around 1,30-1,50€/l electric vehicle are still an interesting option. That's why the German market for electric cars is now the 3rd largest in th world (after China and US) in absolute numbers and actually it just starts in 2020 and 2021 with attractice e-cars for the masses.

Re: EV charging prices in Europe increase 500%

Posted: Jun 16 2020 9:03pm
by markz
Cephalotus wrote:
Jun 13 2020 2:44pm
if you want to charge for cheap your own solar system is helpful with charging costs for solar electricity at 9ct/kWh.
How many weeks would it take to charge up the entire Tesla battery pack, like 0.5 miles/hour charge rate.
Solar aint cheap, unless you've had them for 25+ years, by then they are obsolete, old, cracking and inefficient compared to new systems.