Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

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Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby will_newton » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:53 am

Update: Not feeling like using this retro stuff? Try this controller programmer instead. It's called XPD and works very well and is easy to install. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27927

This thread was started for my own use to figure out some info about the KEBLPD software, but formatted into a E-S forum friendly format. It's going to break all kinds of rules about double posting and not properly citing sources or giving credit. Suffice it to say all of this info has previously appeared on the E-S forums but it was scattered EVERYWHERE.

So if some of it came from you, then THANK YOU! I don't mean to take anything from your efforts, but I want to keep this info readable, so I didn't cite every source. I will give special thanks to E-S users: methods, knuckles, geoff57, stator, caleb777, and mwkeefer whose info I borrowed directly. Also to the guys from viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10833&start=0&hilit=xie+chang+controller that worked on getting the original Chinese to English version. Without them this would never have come into being- my Chinese sux.

OK, Let's get to it!

BASIC Programming and installation steps:

1. Gather the ESC and USB hardware.

2. Figure out how to install the software and drivers. This is not a straightforward install. I have a new option, supplied by user: mwkeefer. It is a package of all the software and an installer that will do most of the work for you. Mike say it will work for Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7. I have made the file available for download at the bottom of this post. You need to download the file, decompress it and click on setup.exe. Everything installs itself and you open the program! I am leaving the old instructions, so you can figure out what the installer does for you or do it yourself. You can skip down to step 5 if everything worked out right.

I have compressed the need files into a zipped file below. This install was for Windows Vista, yours may be different, especially Step e.

a. Download the software folder and unzip it.
b. you can try to open the Parameter Designer software, but it probably won't launch correctly until you finish the rest of the installs, so keep going.
c. Run the setup.exe for the MDU232M-Driver. This is for the USB cable/adapter.
d. Drag and drop the downloaded Richtx32.ocx and MSCOMM32.OCX files into the directory /system32 (or c:/windows/SysWOW64 for 64-bit) on your computer.
e. Now you have to register the .ocx files. You can try "open with" on the individual files and browse your way to the system 32 folder and use the app "regsvr32.exe" to open the files and register them. I got an error code (yay Vista!) and had to use the cmd.exe app in the system32 folder running as the Administrator. This opens the command line mode so you can do the registration.

To register with the command line:
1. Drop the .ocx files into the system32 folder first then open the CLI.
2. Type this at the command line: cd c:\windows\system32 (or cd c:/windows/SysWOW64 for 64-bit)
2. Hit return, then type: regsvr32 Richtx32.ocx
You should get a registration successful message.
3. Hit return, then type: regsvr32 MSCOMM32.OCX
You should get a registration successful message.


f. Open the Parameter Designer, which with luck, will open!

5. Click "OpenFile" to open one of the "Example Settings" .asv files provided as a test file. The program should populate itself with info.

6. It's time to check your COM settings for the USB dongle. You need the USB dongle attached to the usb cable plugged into the computer. The dongle should appear in the device manager and you should be able see/set what comm port it uses. Fire up the PD software and set it to the same COM port as the USB dongle. It must be 1-5. If your computer assigned a higher port number then you can manually change it.

a. Go into Device Manager and look in the COM port section. Make sure the USB cable is plugged in.
b. Look for the USB device-labeled CP2101 USB to UART Bridge Controller. Make sure it has a COM number of 5 or less.
c. You can manually assign COM numbers by going into the advanced properties and manually setting the COM port to a lower number. COM's 1 and 2 are usually open. These were reserved on older computers for things like parallel ports that no longer exist on new computers. Use one of those. You may have to take something that is on 1-5, change it to 6 or 7, then change your USB dongle to one of those lower numbers.


7. Let's load a test program onto the ESC and make sure all the connections are working. If you haven't already, now plug in the USB dongle to the computer (verify the USB adapter lights are on), make sure the dongle is NOT connected to the ESC yet, open the PD software, select your COM port, open your test .asv file of choice and press "StartTransmit". The phrase "Start Transmit" will appear in the white window and the text "Transmit Gauge" will start flashing, the button you pressed will now say "Stop Transmit".

8. Insert the USB dongle into the controller's 4 pin programming harness. The button on the connector goes up, the visible metal on the connector goes down. The lights should be up on the dongle. For some reason at this point, my computer wanted to install the USB driver, even though I thought I had already installed it. Follow the Windows installer prompts to navigate to the driver file folder and open it to install the driver. The blue progess bar will quickly fill and the "Completed" will appear in the white window. This should take about a second to happen, any longer and you have an issue, check your connections and COM settings.

9. Now that your connections are verified, you can attempt your first custom program. It took me a little while to figure out what each field means and appropriate values,but for a starter setup I am using Method's DC30AC80_65ADC.asv file but added the 3-speed switch parameters and no regeneration. All the PD fields will be explained below, but for now, let's assume you have completed the programming, clicked "StoreFile" to save it, and then used the snipping tool in Windows to take a screenshot of the PD window, which will help others to see what you've done quite easily if you have a question later. Now, you are ready to upload to the controller. So go back to step 7 and repeat.

10. Disconnect the cable and go ride. On your first ride, keep track of what's going on using a Cycle Analyst, monitoring temperature levels, and using some common sense. Don't assume you've go it right the first time, even if you did!

Troubleshooting:
This is lifted direct from Methods thread, there's too much info to reprocess, other than some light cleanup. http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13638#p202364
CANT GET SOFTWARE TO RUN
* Did you install the two drivers? If you are on Vista, try running as administrator

CANT RECOGNIZE PORT
* Go into Device Manager and look in the com port section. Look for the USB device. Make sure it has a com number of 5 or less. You can manually assign com numbers by going into the advanced properties and manually setting the com port to a lower number. Com's 1 and 2 are usually open. These were reserved on older computers for things like parallel ports that no longer exist on new computers. Use one of those. You may have to take something that is on 1-5, change it to 6 or 7, then change your USB dongle to one of those lower numbers.
* Make sure the USB dongle has lights on and is actually plugged into a USB port and not your network port or some other hole on the computer Don't laugh - happens all the time. Guys will put the dongle into any hole where it will fit.

EVERYTHING IS RUNNING - JUST WONT PROGRAM
* The controller must be powered off for this entire sequence.
* You must have the software running (i.e. pressed start) before plugging into the controller. This is because the controller only accepts a firmware update right at powerup. After that the controller multiplexes the programming pins out to other functions. So - if your controller is powered or the USB is plugged in before you hit program the microcontroller inside will be ignoring the programming ports. You must apply power to the controller 5V buss (via the USB) at the same moment you attempt to program. Dont worry - it is repeatable and reliable.
* If you get a message that says that the download FAILED then what is happening is the peripheral devices on your controller are sucking more current than your little USB dongle can source. Please disconnect a few items like the throttle, ebrake, cruise control, 3spd switch, etc. All those devices draw power from the +5V buss

SOFTWARE CRASHES, COMPUTER MAKES NOISE LIKE SOMETHING HAS BEEN UNPLUGGED AND THEN PLUGGED BACK IN
* In some cases (mostly with weak USB ports) the controller has so much capacitance on the board that when you plug in the USB dongle it crashes the little controller in the dongle. I remedied this by soldering a small inrush current limiting resistor of 100 ohms on your little USB dongle. Normally the dongle could handle the inrush but once it was put at the end of the long usb extension cable things got more sensitive. As a last resort you can always cut away the heat shrink I put on the dongle, unplug it from the extension cable, and plug it directly into the computer. This will fix the problem. Your new problem will be that you need to set your computer RIGHT ON the controller due to length issues... In this case you would want to procure a higher quality USB extension cable. Dont worry though - I wont leave you hanging. If you have problems with this uncle methods will take care of you.


Parameter Designer Field Explanations
This is a screenshot where I numbered each of the information fields and below are some explanations and extra info to consider when programming settings for those fields.
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numbered PD screenshot
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1. OpenFile- opens .asv files

2. StoreFile- saves .asv files

3. <<hide- hides the right 2/3 of the PD. This button changes to ">>visiable" when closed

4. OpenRoot- Shows the directory path of the starter *.asv file

5. StoreRoot- Shows the directory path of the *.asv where you have saved your settings. If this field is empty, then you have not saved your current settings yet.

6. Comm Num- The COM port number. You can manually enter numbers here or use the drop down menu to choose 1-5.

7. Start Transmit button- Press to start the upload. It will change to "Stop Transmit" when transfer is complete.

8. Transmit Gauge- This test will blink when "Start Transmit" is pressed and will shoot over with blue boards when you successfully flash the controller.

9. White Window- There is where the current state of the software will be displayed along with history.

10. Board Type- Choose your controller, the last two numbers are the number of FETs - 1:EB206 6-fet, 2:EB209 9-fet, 3:EB212 12-fet, 4:EB215 15-fet, 5:EB218 18-fet. This setting tells the board what size shunt to expect, setting a lower board type sets a higher expected shunt value an hence a higher current limit.

11. PhaseDegree- This refers to your hall signals. Most are 120 degree. Compatible works for both.
0:120 Degree, 1:60 Degree, 2:Compatible

12. PhaseCurrent- This is the phase current limit. Read below to understand. Keep the ratio to RatedCurrent. !! Dependent on the shunt value and Board Type selected !!

13. RatedCurrent- This is the DC current limit. Read below to understand. This is the current limit you will see on your CA. !! Dependent on the shunt value and Board Type selected !!

methods wrote:There is DC current and Phase current. The numbers you see in the software are based on a LARGER shunt resistance value. When you cut the shunt resistance value in half you are effectively tricking the controller. When you are running 100A the controller thinks it is only 50A. That being the case, we have understand the relationship between the actual current and the programmed current.

The shunt values range from around 220uOhms to 240uOhms. This will put some variance in the numbers. As a rule of thumb, the controller is going to run about double the current you set up. If you want a DC current of 60A I would suggest that you start by setting the DC current in the software to 30A.

The phase current is always a constant multiple of the DC current. As a general rule, if you cut the DC current in half, also cut the phase current in half. If you triple the DC current, triple the Phase current. Off the top of my head - I believe that the phase current is about 2.5X the DC current. This is not critical, but if you set the Phase current too low you will get results that may seem odd... For instance you may find that at low speeds you have a lower current limit than you do at high speeds. This is because the phase currents are greatest at low speeds and lowest at high speeds... we can talk about this off line if you need to.


14. HaltVoltage- This is the low voltage cutoff for your battery setup. !! Dependent on the R12 voltage divider !!
Methods wrote:If you want to utilize the LVC functionality of the controller then you will need to scale the voltages by 20%. I "fooled" the controller by changing the values of the voltage divider that it uses to read the V+ rail. The controller things that the voltage is 20% less than it actually is. If you tell the controller to set the LVC at 50V it will actually set the LVC at 60V

20% of 50V is 10V
50V + 10V = 60V

This was done to raise the maximum regen voltage and relieve an over voltage condition on the A/D input of the controller (credit to SAM-Pilot for finding that). The stock regen voltage is 75V. We wanted to have regen up to 90V

20% of 75V is 15V
75V + 15V = 90V

Here is a quick look-up table to help those who are not so math inclined.
(CHECK THESE NUMBERS - NOT TESTED)

Desired LVC Number to enter
20 V 24 V
21 V 25.2 V
22 V 26.4 V
23 V 27.6 V
24 V 28.8 V
25 V 30 V
26 V 31.2 V
27 V 32.4 V
28 V 33.6 V
29 V 34.8 V
30 V 36 V
31 V 37.2 V
32 V 38.4 V
33 V 39.6 V
34 V 40.8 V
35 V 42 V
36 V 43.2 V
37 V 44.4 V
38 V 45.6 V
39 V 46.8 V
40 V 48 V
41 V 49.2 V
42 V 50.4 V
43 V 51.6 V
44 V 52.8 V
45 V 54 V
46 V 55.2 V
47 V 56.4 V
48 V 57.6 V
49 V 58.8 V
50 V 60 V
51 V 61.2 V
52 V 62.4 V
53 V 63.6 V
54 V 64.8 V
55 V 66 V
56 V 67.2 V
57 V 68.4 V
58 V 69.6 V
59 V 70.8 V
60 V 72 V
61 V 73.2 V
62 V 74.4 V
63 V 75.6 V
64 V 76.8 V
65 V 78 V
66 V 79.2 V
67 V 80.4 V
68 V 81.6 V
69 V 82.8 V
70 V 84 V
71 V 85.2 V
72 V 86.4 V
73 V 87.6 V
74 V 88.8 V
75 V 90 V
76 V 91.2 V
77 V 92.4 V
78 V 93.6 V
79 V 94.8 V
80 V 96 V


15. Tolerance Delta V - The number of volts you must rise over LVC to resume (hysteresis). For example, the battery voltage may sag and drop below LVC, the tolerance gives it a chance to drop and then recover.

16. EBSLimVoltage- This is the maximum regeneration voltage. !! Dependent on the R12 voltage divider !!The same rules apply for the REGEN voltages as LVC voltages shown above. 55V, 60V, 75V correspond to 66V, 72V, and 90V

17. LimitSpeed- This sets that global speed limit based on the percentage of full throttle allowed and overrides other speed settings. Limit speed works in both cycle and switch mode, it provides an an extra speed setting, this can be activated by a switch and could be used as a economy speed. Another use of this could be to provide a better form of motor over heating protection than to just stop the motor from working until the motor has cooled down, with this a thermal switch could be fitted inside the motor that operated at the temperature required this would then short to the ground wire of the hall wires this means only one more wire need come out of the axle of the motor, an override switch would be advisable the last thing that is wanted is to slow down in the middle of a junction. Values range from 30-99%

18. SpeedMode- This controls the behavior of the ESC's speed switch
0: Switch mode allows you to change speed on the fly using a 3-speed switch (Low, Medium, High)
1: Cycle mode latches the value at power on. In this mode two speed settings are available, speed 1 is used when the Infineon is switched on, pressing a switch the Infineon will change to using speed 2, the speed 3 setting is NOT available in this mode. This mode could be used in 2 obvious ways, fitting the switch in a hidden place on the ebike what you have is a parental mode or an on road off road mode, by setting the startup speed to a speed that would be suitable for children. Then you can let your children have a ride without danger then when you want to use it you press the switch and you have full speed. The alternative is to set speed 1 to the road legal speed, if you go out riding to your favourite off road track then when you get there press the switch you have full power for a ride off road where the law does not apply, if on returning you forgot to return to road legal speed and see the police anywhere around just switch off the controller switch back on and you are back to road legal speeds, when you get home count yourself lucky and tell yourself off for not resetting when you went back on the road.

19. Speed 1- The low speed setting. Can be set form 30-120% of top speed

20. Speed 2- The high speed setting. Can be set form 30-120% of top speed

21. Speed 3- The mid speed setting. Can be set form 30-120% of top speed

22. IndicateMode- see item #31, which this seems to work with. The P3 output (along with the speed LED signals P1 and P2) can be active high or active low depending on the setting of "Indicate Mode". For active low, set it to 0:Comm VCC (all LEDs share a common + voltage). For active high, set it to 1:Comm GND (all LEDs share a common ground). Values are 0:Comm VCC, 1:Comm GND, 2:164 Mode P1-DAT P2-CLK

23. ConverseSpeed- This the reverse speed setting in case you have the switch connected. this is a max. setting based on percentage of top speed. Range of 0-100%

24. BlockTime(s)- Current limit overshoot - higher values will let you overshoot more. Current limit Damping. Values vary from 1-10

25. AutoCruisingTime(s)- The length of time needed to lock in Cruise Control. Values vary from 1-15.

26. SlipChargeMode- The Slip Current Charge Mode feature is either "ON or OFF" and allows regen from the throttle. Throttling back when cruising will regen the Direct Drive hub motor and slow it down to about 15% of full speed. The eBrake regen and the Throttle regen act independent of each other. I set the Throttle regen to "OFF" by default (I like to coast freely when throttled back). Values are 0: UP 15 Mark (throttle regen) and 1:Only Fake Indicate (no throttle regen)

27. EBS Level- This sets the strength of the regeneration. A higher number is stronger.When the eBrakes are applied the Direct Drive hub motor will slow down to a complete stop. values are 0: (low), 1: (med.), and 2: (high) Setting 2: has been recommended for 26" wheels if you are using regen and the other numbers for smaller wheels.

28. Guard Level- The controller has a anti-theft feature which is activated through the TB pin. This sets the polarity of that signal. The default should be 0:Low. In this mode, a low signal on the TB pin will lock the motor from turning. Presumably, this signal would come from a external alarm system. In the 1:High setting, a high signal on TB will lock the motor. In order to use the High mode, you must remove the 51K ohm resistor at location R75.

29. Bar Protect- This is a throttle fault protection feature. When active (1:Yes), it will shut off the motor if the throttle input is shorted to +5V. Normally WOT is around 4V, so if the wires short, or the hall sensor shorts, it should go close to 5V.

30. 1:1 Design- This is for pedal assist sensor operation. The options are 0:Fast and 1:Slow, but another document says 0:False and 1:True.

31. P3 Design- This sets the function of the P3 LED output. When set to 0, the P3 output is active when in cruise control mode. When set to 1, the P3 output will also blink a trouble code when a fault is detected. The P3 output (along with the speed LED signals P1 and P2) can be active high or active low depending on the setting of "Indicate Mode". For active low, set it to 0:Comm VCC (all LEDs share a common + voltage). For active high, set it to 1:Comm GND (all LEDs share a common ground).

Whew! You made it! Got something you want to add/correct/clarify? Please send me a PM since you may not be able to post in this forum.
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual

Postby steveo » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:00 pm

Thanks for putting this together, this is very useful!

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual

Postby GCinDC » Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:43 pm

Wow, I've been hunting for the needle in the haystack, and now, voila, you've provided it shrinkwrapped! This will be a huge help to me for the next few days. I stumbled through the vista install last night (since I didn't follow the steps exactly the first time) but got it up and running.

Some pre-programming questions:

- Do you happen to know if this version of the parameter designer works for older boards, such as the EB812?
- The max current I see on my CA is ~36A, so should for RatedCurrent, should I put: 40A?
And then, since:
Off the top of my head - I believe that the phase current is about 2.5X the DC current

- Set PhaseCurrent to: 40A x 2.5 = 100A
-As for the HaltVoltage, is there a formula somewhere for different R12 values? I did the hardware mod to R12 (can't remember exactly what tho) and it did enable regen, but i got almost no resistance at 83V... So once I measure R12, I'd like to be able to figure out what to enter there.
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual

Postby Mike1 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:19 pm

Suggested revision to item 10.

10. Board Type- Choose your controller, the last two numbers are the number of FETs - 1:EB206 6-fet, 2:EB209 9-fet, 3:EB212 12-fet, 4:EB215 15-fet, 5:EB218 18-fet - This setting tells the board what size shunt to expect, setting a lower board type sets a higher expected shunt value an hence a higher current limit.
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual

Postby will_newton » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:34 am

OK, made the update to number 10 and added mwkeefer's install package. I just realized that there are links that send folks to this thread, which is fine, but I may not see any comments or requests for additions/changes posted here. I didn't even know that these comments had been posted. I just missed this thread while being gone for the holidays

The most up to date version of this resides in the tech.reference forum now and i will add a version number to help you know where the most recent stuff is. Here's the link to it- http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14836

If you post a suggested change or addition to the manual here. PLEASE send me a PM about it or else I may never see it so I can make the edit. Thanks!
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby Kingfish » Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:21 am

Greetings.

I wish to post a small revision to the steps on how to install this application.

This revision only applies IF YOU ARE RUNNING x64 WIN7 (and I'd wager this is true for x64 Vista). The directions goes as follows:

A. Go to the top of this thread, date: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:53 am.
B. In Step 2 - within the boxed instruction from another thread there is a reference to the Windows/System32 directory...

d. Drag and drop the downloaded Richtx32.ocx and MSCOMM32.OCX files into the directory c:/windows/system32 on your computer.

This is correct for x86 machines. However - on current x64 platforms the correct directory is: C:\Windows\SysWOW64

C. A little bit farther down in the same instruction block there is another reference to the dependant directory:

2. Type this at the command line: cd c:\windows\system32

As with above, this is correct for x86 machines. On current x64 platforms please change to: C:\Windows\SysWOW64

Reason: These assemblies are old 32-bit and they cannot reside in the Windows/System32 directory of an x64 O/S because that is where the 64-bit assemblies live (something about backward compatibility - I really dunno as I didn't work on that part Windows). Anyway, with an x64 O/S the 32-bit assemblies need to go into the SysWOW64 directory. Seems backasswords but there it is. (I didn't write the stuff, I only fix it.)

All other installation instruction is quite accurate. :wink:

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby Kingfish » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:49 am

OK, this was easy. There were two messages that I could not fix because they are compiled strings within the binary as oppose to RL strings within a VB Form; I can get to the latter vastly easier than the former. Anyway - enjoy the late night hack.

Please let me know if I flubbed on anything (or if you find any more Chinese floating around). I can't change the content of some strings because they are length-limited.

This app is so small. It's just using a Comm Port; does anyone have the formatting specs handy? I could rewrite this in a more contempory app... oh but now I'm "working" when I should be on holiday :roll:

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby Mike1 » Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:04 am

Kingfish, can you re-write it so it can pull the existing settings out of the controller? That would make you a real hero here on the Sphere. :)
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby Kingfish » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:38 pm

With the right software, anything is possible... :wink:
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby will_newton » Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:55 pm

mwkeefer has said he was working on a new version, but i haven't heard from him in a while. I'll update the instructions for 64-bit here and in the tech. ref. forum.

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby Kingfish » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:09 am

I'll update the instructions for 64-bit here and in the tech. ref. forum.


Will, I had a humbling thought:
Is there a place on the forum where there is kept a consolidated list of instructions which are updated and posted where a person (such as myself) might go to learn precisely how to DIY? You know – a Spec Library or Knowledge Base?

I am quite comfortable crafting KB articles, and have been for quite some time for a… um… large company… in Redmond to address consumer/user needs or for patches, etc as part of my normal job. In brief: A KB article states concisely how to achieve a goal in the shortest amount of space. It beats thumbing through 10 to 20 pages of threads to learn of a solution.

Know what I mean, Vern? :wink:

Sometimes when you get to the end of these long threads I’m not sure that the answer was all that clear. Maybe that’s the nature of threads. Thanks for listening.
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby will_newton » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:45 pm

you mean this? viewforum.php?f=16

sorry, the tech. ref. forum is not this forum. this is just the technical forum, not the reference area.

I think the technical reference forum is pretty much what you may be asking for, or at least, that's all we have. most of the info on E-S.com is spread everywhere and not kept together and sometimes what you do find is often too old to be useful in the light of all the new tech being developed.

Learn how to DIY by RTFM? We should be so lucky. It's better to think of us as beta testers for the Chinese- with no manuals or support. That's why I did this manual page, because, well, there isn't one. The e-bike stuff runs through a lot of disciplines and researcher is one of them, but librarian isn't. I knew zero about this software when I started and still know very little about it. I only found the info and reformatted it. I found that being a technical writer doesn't grant technical knowledge.

I still like to think of this forum as a small outpost run by a bunch of benevolent crazies and mad scientists. No time to organize, only time to produce and destroy, share the experience and start over. It is a VERY frustrating system for new folks, but there is only so much hand-holding available, unless you are willing to get dirty and ask questions.

Kingfish wrote:
I'll update the instructions for 64-bit here and in the tech. ref. forum.


Will, I had a humbling thought:
Is there a place on the forum where there is kept a consolidated list of instructions which are updated and posted where a person (such as myself) might go to learn precisely how to DIY? You know – a Spec Library or Knowledge Base?

I am quite comfortable crafting KB articles, and have been for quite some time for a… um… large company… in Redmond to address consumer/user needs or for patches, etc as part of my normal job. In brief: A KB article states concisely how to achieve a goal in the shortest amount of space. It beats thumbing through 10 to 20 pages of threads to learn of a solution.

Know what I mean, Vern? :wink:

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver 1.2

Postby Kingfish » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:21 pm

you mean this? viewforum.php?f=16

Woot!

Thanks Will; That'll work <nods> :wink:
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby wasp » Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:36 pm

thx this is very helpful
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby SkyCaptain » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:36 pm

Hi everyone.

I am a newbie, so be gentle,basic with me please.

I am trying to run the Lyon software, but am having no luck.

When I try to start the Parameterdesigner software I get error that says:

Component 'configDlg32.OCX or one of its dependencies not correctly registered: a file is missing or invalid


Any idea's?

I downloaded the software, and from the 4 folders I got in the download, I could just see 2 exe files to run, both of them seemed to do something,as in work. One istalled a driver, and the other installed the designerparamater software,

Just that when I click on designer software on my links bar, it does not run,,, I just get that error above.

Do I need to go and manually put that OCX file into a folder like talked about in the instructions above?
I have not idea if my pc is system 32 or 64 lol


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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby Kingfish » Sat May 01, 2010 12:50 am

SkyCaptain

For Reference, this is the thread that has all the current information in the Technical Reference area:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14836

Chances are you are on a 32-bit system, but here’s how we can check:
  • Go to Start|My Computer and right-mouse-click to get a popmenu and select Properties, OR…
    Start|Control Panel|System will bring up the same window.
  • Look at the System Type: Does it say 32-bit or 64-bit? If it’s 64-bit then we have a little bit of extra work to do.

Next, I ask that you kindly check to see if your system is up to date. Go to: Microsoft Update
…and accept all required updates (you can ignore optional updates). You may be required to reboot. After accepting updates, check again to see if more are required. Sometimes the latest updates are blocked by earlier updates. Regardless we need to make sure your system is up to date so that we can eliminate that as an issue.

I suspect that you do not have the full Visual Basic 6.0 runtime libraries which are required for these applications. Please go to the link and complete the install. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192461

and chances are you will need to install these too...
Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0 Common Controls

I suggest rebooting to ensure everything is installed and fresh.

Now we need to determine which type of controller you have so we know which software application to run. If you look at the top of your board with the leads heading out on the right side, in the lower left corner there is a number. If the number begins as “EB8” then you want the “Parameter Designer for Infineon”. If the number begins as “EB2” then you want to use the “Parameter Designer for 116”
Please let us know how it goes.

Similar issues were reported on this thread:
Controller mod

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby Whiplash » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:50 pm

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby aaronski » Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:40 pm

Hi Guys,

Help! I've disasembled my controller at work and now I can't get it to run!

I have an E-crazyman 72v(infineon eb212-A-3)

I followed all the instructions on this thread and got the software installed, the ocx files installed, the program running, then wired up everything but gnd.
Then plugged in GND, and it worked! it has a progress bar, then it says completed, then cycles again, completed, etc, untill I pull the power.

Now the controller doesn't do anything. can anyone tell me what the correct settings are? I used the ones in the screen cap for the program just for testing and I get nothing when I plug it all in and hit the throttle. what am I doing wrong?
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby flexy » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:44 pm

Hi,
I have an ecrazyman EB218-AS-1. I haven't done the R12 or transistor mod, do I still need to scale the voltages for the LVC by 20% ?
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby Jeremy Harris » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:45 pm

What voltage are you running at?

Is the controller modified in any way?

If all is standard, then the Keywin programming software will give you reasonably true values for current limit, LVC, etc.

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby number1cruncher » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:55 pm

flexy wrote:Hi,
I have an ecrazyman EB218-AS-1. I haven't done the R12 or transistor mod, do I still need to scale the voltages for the LVC by 20% ?



As Jeremy has said, if unmodded your values should be accurate. The board you have has the newer 116 chip and can handle higher regen voltages. The R12 mod was designed to trick the old 846 chipped controllers to allow regen above 60V. Also, the newest of the 116 boards now come with a smps, so the transistor mod is unnnecessary on those boards.

Have you tried programming yet?
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby flexy » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:06 pm

Thanks guys.
I will run it at 72V as it was designed for, I have got the usb cable connecting and the software shows that it is flashing the chip. I want to test it on 60V SLAs first and don't want to risk any damage to it.
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby jbond » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:00 am

Can somebody throw some light on what the speed control settings in % actually mean? Here's the puzzle (for a 36v controller and a Bafang or Tongxin geared hub)
- Voltage is fixed by the battery. The FETs are just switching this. So ~36v is always presented to the motor.
- There are no frequency settings in the software. So the cycle frequency is just synced to the motor speed by the hall effect sensors or by synthesizing this for sensorless motors from the other two phases.
- The throttle feeds a variable voltage (typically 1.2v->4.4v).
- With out of the box values, In Low mode or Mid Mode, the noload rpm seems to be cut. Similarly mid-throttle seems to limit the noload rpm. Some experiments by other people seem to show a reduced duty cycle and a reduced frequency.
- People have tried 120% and even 150% (with hex-edited software). Some people think values above 100% shift the phase advance.

So the unanswered questions.
- If low mode is set to say 60%, that is 60% of what? Duty cycle? DC Current limit? Phase Current limit?
- How does the controller cut the noload frequency/rpm to 60% of the high mode, noload frequency/rpm when it doesn't know what that is?
- What do values above 100% mean? Is this the same as a 5v throttle input instead of 4.4v Does 100% mean a 100% duty cycle? In which case, how can you have a 110% duty cycle?
- What does the throttle input actually do? Does it just change the duty cycle? If that's the case, why does it apparently change the noload rpm?

I get the feeling these are probably answered somewhere in threads somewhere on ES, but I'm damned if I can find them or make sense of the answers.
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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby Jeremy Harris » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:10 am

OK, here we go:

1. The motor voltage is NOT the same as the supply voltage and is not fixed by the battery. For a 36V system the motor can see anywhere from 0V (zero throttle) to about 36V (full throttle) depending on the pulse width modulated waveform duty cycle (the ratio of on time to off time). The FETs switch the supply and act exactly like a step-down (buck) switch mode voltage regulator. For half throttle, as an example, the FETs would have a 50% duty cycle, so the voltage to the motor would be half the supply voltage, giving half the motor full no-load speed.

2. The frequency of the PWM waveform is fixed at 15kHz for the current crop of XieChang controllers. The commutation frequency is dependent on the motor rpm and number of motor pole pairs, but will typically be in the zero to a few hundred Hz region, maybe a couple of kHz for a high rpm motor. The controller commutation frequency syncs to the motor phases using either Hall sensor feedback or zero crossing detection of the back EMF on the unpowered phases during the commutation cycle.

3. The throttle voltage directly controls the PWM duty cycle, but can be modified by the current limit circuit. This means that the throttle can command, say 50% rpm, but the motor may be running under too much load to spin up to this speed. What happens is that the excessive power demand, from supply current sensing, is fed back and the controller cuts back the duty cycle to reduce the motor current demand.

4. The speed settings (used when programmed in switch mode) are nominal percentages of the maximum allowable duty cycle, so directly control the motor maximum no-load speed. For example, if programmed to 30%, 70% and 100% the controller will only allow the motor to run up to those speeds. In effect, it's a throttle limiter, but it does have the effect of expanding the throttle mechanical range. For example, with 30% selected the full throttle travel will give 0 to 30% motor rpm, rather than 0 to 100% rpm, which can give better low speed control if required.

5. Selecting values greater than 100% doesn't change the timing as far as I have been able to tell, but does seem to affect when the controller switches to block commutation mode. Block commutation is when the PWM is disabled and the controller is only switching the phases directly at the full throttle commutation frequency.

6. By default (with no speed switch connected), the controller will run at the speed 2 setting. This has caught people out as the controllers are often supplied with speed 2 pre-programmed to less than 100%. The fix is to fit the link to select speed 3, which is usually set by default to 100%, or to re-programme the controller to whatever settings are required. Setting speed values above 100% can have some nasty effects, including significantly increasing motor no-load max rpm current and causing some motors to not run well towards the top of the speed range.

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Re: Keywin E-bike Lab Parameter Designer Software Manual-ver

Postby jbond » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:12 pm

Brilliant, thanks, Jeremy.
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