New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24)

Get all your technical information about electric bikes here.
User avatar
izeman   10 GW

10 GW
Posts: 4788
Joined: Jun 21 2011 8:25am
Location: vienna, austria
Contact:

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by izeman » Apr 14 2013 7:26am

t3sla wrote:... pretty much have the same issue (plus a few more things).
what other issues do you have? i guess i have solved most of them this way or another.

xadmx   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 332
Joined: Feb 18 2013 8:17pm
Location: uk

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by xadmx » Apr 14 2013 7:42am

izeman wrote:
xadmx wrote:what gauge wires are people getting in the ht3525 i bought some 10awg and theres no chance of getting it in.
adam
12awg with heat shrink tube will fit in easily. just use the smallest size heat shrink (pre-shrunk) you can get, as the bigger the pre-shrunk diameter, the thicker it will be when shrunk. i did it here http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 48#p679207 with a 3540.
thanks for the reply, i think the 10awg wire i bought is more like 12 i will have to measure it to make sure, i might just buy some more.
adam

User avatar
t3sla   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 810
Joined: Jan 24 2012 7:44am
Location: Made in China.

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by t3sla » Apr 14 2013 7:43am

izeman wrote:
t3sla wrote:... pretty much have the same issue (plus a few more things).
what other issues do you have? i guess i have solved most of them this way or another.
Well the use of mushrooms instead of screws (should have been flat and flush with counter sinking)
The fact they use epoxy instead of locktight (should be able to remove the case without stripping mushroom screws)
Bearing not seeded flat, you can see the wobble on the gear side.
Side cover not flush can see oscillation.
Short wire length.

Axel quality is good, no complaints there.
Endless Spirit.

hydro-one   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 866
Joined: Dec 19 2008 2:02pm
Location: winipeg Canada

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by hydro-one » Apr 14 2013 8:13am

just wait . Ive broken four of the axles on this motor, finally cooking windings on both my motors. but then again im hard on shit, i was only running a torque arm on one side for two of the failures, do not overtightent this axle, make some beef torque plates and youll be fine . max was happy to find me 5 axles (not exactly cheaply). im out of these motors now, and i wont miss them (bought probably 10 for me and friends). hated the wires/halls/etc issues
Pro ebiker
28s hk lipo
3ooA kelly/cromotor 17"
sana cruz bullit

User avatar
t3sla   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 810
Joined: Jan 24 2012 7:44am
Location: Made in China.

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by t3sla » Apr 14 2013 8:30am

hydro-one wrote:just wait . Ive broken four of the axles on this motor, finally cooking windings on both my motors. but then again im hard on shit, i was only running a torque arm on one side for two of the failures, do not overtightent this axle, make some beef torque plates and youll be fine . max was happy to find me 5 axles (not exactly cheaply). im out of these motors now, and i wont miss them (bought probably 10 for me and friends). hated the wires/halls/etc issues
You must have been running high power and enjoying it enough to overcome that fact your axle would fail.
If there was any doubt in my mind over the quality of the axle I'd use the motor as a meat rotisserie or lazy suzan :lol:
Instead of underneath me at decent speed with the ability to fail.

My TA's are nice and snug, first time around I had a little rocking and it obviously got worse with time.
This go around I've go them so snug and secure that it's a pain to remove them :D

Need a quality mid sized hub, what brand did you move onto?
Endless Spirit.

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Apr 14 2013 2:38pm

I have grind down the axle.
And fitted military 3x 12awg teflon with 5x1,16 mm FEP wires and as extra protection heatshrink for this cable harness.
Fit nice and easy I can remove cover without damaging cable harness.

Ps I have also installed hall sensors SS411a.. :D

I had to laced all spokes head facing outside, due outside covers spokes holes are not countersunk.... :shock: :shock:
Only inside spokes holes are countersunk.
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

xadmx   1 kW

1 kW
Posts: 332
Joined: Feb 18 2013 8:17pm
Location: uk

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by xadmx » Apr 14 2013 3:06pm

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER wrote:I have grind down the axle.
And fitted military 3x 12awg teflon with 5x1,16 mm FEP wires and as extra protection heatshrink for this cable harness.
Fit nice and easy I can remove cover without damaging cable harness.

Ps I have also installed hall sensors SS411a.. :D

I had to laced all spokes head facing outside, due outside covers spokes holes are not countersunk.... :shock: :shock:
Only inside spokes holes are countersunk.

do you have any pics of how you modded the axle.
adam

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Apr 14 2013 3:46pm

Hmm too bad I didn't took pictures when modding.
But I have just use:

Dremel with miller drill bit.
High speed hand drill with normal HSSdrill bits.
Sandpaper.

Quite easy because the axle is not hard metal :shock:
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

User avatar
izeman   10 GW

10 GW
Posts: 4788
Joined: Jun 21 2011 8:25am
Location: vienna, austria
Contact:

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by izeman » Apr 14 2013 3:46pm

xadmx wrote:
MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER wrote:I have grind down the axle. ...
do you have any pics of how you modded the axle.
adam
imho you don't need to mod the axle. it's easier to do if you lift the bearing from the axle a bit. that way you can enter the cables and then you press the bearing down. i even would re-think modding the axle. if you take away too much material you will loose strength.

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Apr 18 2013 1:48pm

Where can I buy the motorseal?

Thanks!
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 26 2013 12:31pm

A new version of these motors are now equipped with hex cover screws?
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

3nslav3   100 W

100 W
Posts: 104
Joined: May 20 2012 3:48pm
Location: Belgium

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by 3nslav3 » Jul 26 2013 1:09pm

yes indeed, the screws are VERY low quality and quarter of them need to get drilled out due to damage from the assy line if you want to open up the motor

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 26 2013 2:51pm

Thanks I have luck looks much better and the spokes are drilled well.
I have also the older version with Philips screws, wuaaww that motor looks very cheap.
Spokes holes are drilled like with shaky hand drill... :mrgreen:
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 27 2013 6:53am

Okay new version hex screws are a joke.
Those screws holes (where you insert the hex key) are not centered :lol:

And they are even worse as the old version screws >>> hard to remove.
Also these hex screws are not metric... :x
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

3nslav3   100 W

100 W
Posts: 104
Joined: May 20 2012 3:48pm
Location: Belgium

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by 3nslav3 » Jul 27 2013 7:13am

told you so :P they are utter garbage!

I've been thinking to drill out the holes and fit decent low profile M5 hexes (if M5 is possible at least) M6 will be to big
still have to take a look at it tho, I've only tried the removal on my spare HT3525 but since it is a spare motor I don't really care about it that much and it has been sitting in the box since April :lol:

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 27 2013 7:31am

It's quite simple to remove those stupid hex screws.
Just use a orx socket, which it's a little thicker then the hex screw hole.
Use a hammer and punch and now remove the screws 8)

But the Ht3525 can handle more amps then HS3540?
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

3nslav3   100 W

100 W
Posts: 104
Joined: May 20 2012 3:48pm
Location: Belgium

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by 3nslav3 » Jul 27 2013 7:58am

not sure about that, I think it's the same

all I've ridden so far is a HS3540 @ 60 amps with peaks of 80+

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 27 2013 8:05am

And what about torque at high speed?

I like to have torque and high speed...
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

3nslav3   100 W

100 W
Posts: 104
Joined: May 20 2012 3:48pm
Location: Belgium

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by 3nslav3 » Jul 27 2013 8:16am

with enough amps you'll get the torque you need out of a HS3540 with plenty of speed :lol: mine does power wheely's ;)

but keep an eye on the temp tho, I wouldn't do this if there are a lot of hills, just for quick standing stops if you want to outrun kids on mopeds

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 27 2013 9:08am

Thanks!

What is your speed and voltage?

Yes I have ordered HS3540 but send me the HT3525 :evil:

Also the axle is a new design, it's now a hollow axle instead of groove axle.
Looks like the shaving issue is solved now...
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

3nslav3   100 W

100 W
Posts: 104
Joined: May 20 2012 3:48pm
Location: Belgium

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by 3nslav3 » Jul 27 2013 9:12am

hs3540 @74V off the charger i get between 70 and 80km/h with a 26inch wheel

my HT3525 still has the groove axle

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 27 2013 9:15am

Hmmm so I have the latest version? :mrgreen:

Also the motorseal cap is new, the motorseal now rotate around this cap instead around the wiring loom.
Your motor also has this new motorseal cap?
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 28 2013 4:41am

Also this bike is building for high range!

Battery will be 24S lifepo4 so a better choice will be HT3525?
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

3nslav3   100 W

100 W
Posts: 104
Joined: May 20 2012 3:48pm
Location: Belgium

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by 3nslav3 » Jul 28 2013 4:50am

yup for long range the HT should be better ;-) youll be riding more efficient

MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 731
Joined: Aug 23 2012 4:03am
Location: where I walk and sleep

Re: New Crystalyte Motor series (HT35 / HS35 and HT24 / HS24

Post by MAGICPIE3FOCUSPOWER » Jul 28 2013 5:11am

Thanks for your help! 8)

Yes I am riding now 48V HS3540 and the distance is about 45 km at 40 km/h.
So the HT should eat more distance at same speed?
While at low speed torque is more then HS motor?
Nothing is perfect until I touch it...

Post Reply