Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Artur » Dec 13 2015 4:48pm

Everything with 2 is for slave controller. I will make photos of my settings tomorrow.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Litium » Dec 14 2015 2:48am

Thanks Artur...
So we have a instruction manual with big mistake, because talk about "Angle correction2 and PWR timing2", for Active braking, and sure not for slave controller....
I think Adaptto have to correct this on the manual for better understanding!! :)

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Litium » Dec 15 2015 3:49am

Thanks for settings Artur...
You have less amp than me...
I think is impossible with Adaptto go more than 20-30A during regen
I will continue with test

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by madin88 » Dec 15 2015 6:16am

on my 12p 25R pack i have set 60A regen (that would be exactly 2C charge rate). no problem so far - i just needed to set HVC about 2V higher to prevent cut off when the battery is fully charged, but since i only charge to 4,1-4,15V there is enough room above.
when riding down a hill with speed above 70kmh i hit the 60A, but not on a flat road. the settings "torque rise" or "min speed" have an effect on this, and of course also the "brk phase amps".
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Litium » Dec 15 2015 6:24am

Thanks for info Madin, when i finish the test with all possible parameters i post the results!

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Cowardlyduck » Dec 15 2015 6:35am

In the same way batteries can take peak draw, they can also take peak charge.
In almost all cases Regen current will only reach peak values for a small amount of time so unless your going down pikes peak, you can set it way higher than your constant charge rate safely.
I set mine at 60A and I do see this occasionally, but never for more than a few seconds at most.
There is also a thing called surface charge. I don't fully understand it, but it's a charge that somehow doesn't sink deeply into the cell and the next time you pull current this is what is used.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Mammalian04 » Dec 15 2015 11:26am

Cowardlyduck wrote:In the same way batteries can take peak draw, they can also take peak charge.
In almost all cases Regen current will only reach peak values for a small amount of time so unless your going down pikes peak, you can set it way higher than your constant charge rate safely.
I set mine at 60A and I do see this occasionally, but never for more than a few seconds at most.
There is also a thing called surface charge. I don't fully understand it, but it's a charge that somehow doesn't sink deeply into the cell and the next time you pull current this is what is used.

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Kind of like a capacitor? Speaking of that, is there such a thing for out eBikes? E.g. A capacitor that could soak up a constant 40amps for 30 seconds and then dish out 100 amps for 5 seconds. Then when you let off the throttle, it keeps soaking up the charge again until you hammer the throttle hard again. This would make life easier on smaller packs with fewer parallels.

Anyone heard of such a "longer timeframe" type capacitor?

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Artur » Dec 15 2015 11:43am

yes, you can install them.. but they cost much and you need big volume for them..

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Mammalian04 » Dec 15 2015 11:48am

Thanks Artur. I am not sure what the relative "big volume" is but if it is the same volume as the batteries, I suppose it would be better to just build a bigger pack.

Oh well, it was just a thought! :)

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Artur » Dec 15 2015 11:53am

yes, you understand me correct. cheaper, and practical imho..

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Allex » Dec 15 2015 2:23pm

Litium wrote:Thanks Artur...
So we have a instruction manual with big mistake, because talk about "Angle correction2 and PWR timing2", for Active braking, and sure not for slave controller....
I think Adaptto have to correct this on the manual for better understanding!! :)

Angl corr2 and PWR2 is for active regen and reverse.
When you have 2wd setup you program them individually, first by connecting the display to the slave and then to the master.
The manual is correct.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by madin88 » Dec 15 2015 3:03pm

Allex wrote: Angl corr2 and PWR2 is for active regen and reverse.
When you have 2wd setup you program them individually, first by connecting the display to the slave and then to the master.
The manual is correct.
exactly, a 2WD system will be programmed individually. makes much more sense.. Thank you for the info Allex.
do you know how to determine the optimal values for these two settings?
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Artur » Dec 15 2015 3:54pm

Allex wrote:
Litium wrote:Thanks Artur...
So we have a instruction manual with big mistake, because talk about "Angle correction2 and PWR timing2", for Active braking, and sure not for slave controller....
I think Adaptto have to correct this on the manual for better understanding!! :)

Angl corr2 and PWR2 is for active regen and reverse.
When you have 2wd setup you program them individually, first by connecting the display to the slave and then to the master.
The manual is correct.
Well this is what I got from Adaptto as an answer. I agree that it is used for reverse, but it is somehow connected with master and slave mode if I understood them correct. Anyway, I set up only 18a battery current just because I don't want to stress the battery. For me it is enough regenbraking power with 1 00 phase with 17" wheel

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by fsmuggen » Dec 16 2015 5:24pm

Does anyone know what the value of the resistor R59 in the controller? I cant find any value by mesuring it impossible to read on top of it too, I allso have problems with the display at charging, I can't move through the menu when I'm charging. (frozen) when charger is off everything is normal.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by bigbore » Dec 18 2015 12:28pm

Charge bug.
I've been dealing with Charge bug from some months, now Charge is always present in the center of the display and the only method I found to remove it is to turn to no the Charge enable option in Charge setup or to connect the charge cable in the charge plug. Is sufficient to have just the coil and the caps connected and the Charge indication turn off and the display shows eco/Normal/Boost modes.
My firmware is the old RC7b and the only advice I had so far is to upgrade to a newer one. For the moment I'm not going to upgrade.
Anybody has any idea what could be the root cause of this issue?

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by DasDouble » Dec 18 2015 4:28pm

Good evening together,

I have planed to install a GPS tracker on my Vector in future. This GPS tracker should be connected with the main-battery so I don´t have to charge the GPS tracker or that the battery has no power when the bike gets stolen. How do you guys think, could I manage that? Maybe via USB-port? Or are there some other connectors where you can charge everything you want?

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by fsmuggen » Dec 19 2015 4:47am

You should get a power inverter like this depending on voltage you want -> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1PCS-5V2 ... eb201560_4
Connect it to the battery source power after the main fuse. and you'll have power to the unit at all time, unless you have a powerswitch.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by dafex » Dec 19 2015 10:47am

Servus, I need help.
I want to extend the Cable from the Display to the Controller. My Problem, after removing the Cable from the Connector, i couldn't find the sheet of paper where i have written the Pin Layout . The cable colors at the Controller are different to the ones at the Display. At the Adaptto schematic i can't find it.

Who can provide the correct Pin Layout for me?

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"Protect"

Post by Jonboy » Dec 19 2015 12:17pm

Hey guys anybody got a fix for this.. My Max E has been working fine but just recently when I switch it on instead of the normal ECO-BMS-ECO on start up it displays PROTECT-BMS-PROTECT... Disconnect from the battery then reconnect, then it's perfect.. ECO-BMS-ECO. rides normal no probs :?:

Very annoying, I really don't want to damage it at the mo as my lad gets his adaptto/raptor setup for xmas.. I'll be gutted if my bike is in dock & we can't go ride together!

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Cowardlyduck » Dec 20 2015 1:48am

dafex wrote:Servus, I need help.
I want to extend the Cable from the Display to the Controller. My Problem, after removing the Cable from the Connector, i couldn't find the sheet of paper where i have written the Pin Layout . The cable colors at the Controller are different to the ones at the Display. At the Adaptto schematic i can't find it.

Who can provide the correct Pin Layout for me?
I nearly had the same problem when I extended my wires.
Lucky for you I cut them off and used different connectors so I still have my originals in the box:
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So from Left to Right it goes:
Black-->Brown
Red-->Red
Orange-->Yellow
Brown-->White

Hopefully yours are the same. :|

I think it's a bit poor for Adaptto not to consider the colour coding more carefully on these wires. Particularly since these are the most likely wires that will need to be cut and extended by everyone.
In my case it wasn't just the length that was a problem, but also the size of the connectors I couldn't fit inside my frame underneath my battery, so I had to replace them entirely.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Litium » Dec 20 2015 4:02am

Hallo Guys, i want show my settings of my Max-e with 20S 8P of SONY VTC4, at 150 battery amps and 380 phase amps...
I see under full throttle and full speed battery drop at 67V constant, and controller pull 150-165 continous batt amp, maybe with more parallel i can go more fast, but Cromotor go very hot pretty fast too, i put the temp setting at max 110C and after 4-5 km at full throttle i have this temp, so power loss...
I see with PWR timing at 1.5 the motor go less hot but the controller put out less amp...
The strange thing, before i change the firmware from lock to unlock i have better performance, i put the same settings i have before, but motor go more slow and bad, so i loose 3 days for new settings and test, but i cant have the same performance as before (118Kmh, and motor moore cool)
I dont know...but seems last time i found a really sweet spot of settings...
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Post by dafex » Dec 20 2015 4:18am

Thank you for your help
Cowardlyduck wrote: Lucky for you I cut them off and used different connectors so I still have my originals in the box:

So from Left to Right it goes:
Black-->Brown
Red-->Red
Orange-->Yellow
Brown-->White

Hopefully yours are the same.
I'm afraid not. Following wire colors i have:

At the female plug (Controller)
Pin 1 Yellow
Pin 2 Red
Pin 3 Brown
Pin 4 White

This match with the right one from you.

For the male plug (Display)
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From left to right:
1 Brown
2 Blue
3 Black
4 White

May be some one knows which one is power supply and which one are bus signals?

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Cowardlyduck » Dec 20 2015 6:12am

dafex wrote:Thank you for your help
No problems.

It makes me mad that Adaptto would do this. The product is state of the art, but they mess up simple wire colours up like this!

Even Chinese crap is more consistent than this! :roll:

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