Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Allex » May 30 2018 5:03am

No thats not Adaptto. Vasiliy will have a great controller for low cost suitable for lighter bikes.

Yes you can still send your controller in for a repair.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by bowers » May 31 2018 8:10am

Has anyone tested the password protected firmware yet?

I'm a little nervous to test it since fixing a bricked Adaptto is not on my todo list for this summer ;)

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Swe » May 31 2018 3:19pm

I have run it some weeks now on my Mini. I had no problem updating. Only thing is that Eco-mode is not working anymore... but I guess that is because I don't have any PAS installed yet (I have ordered).

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by madin88 » Jun 01 2018 12:57am

Swe wrote:
May 31 2018 3:19pm
I have run it some weeks now on my Mini. I had no problem updating. Only thing is that Eco-mode is not working anymore... but I guess that is because I don't have any PAS installed yet (I have ordered).
There are two differnt firmwares. On one the Eco mode works only with PAS (with throttle disabled) and with the other both throttle and PAS works at the same time.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Swe » Jun 01 2018 5:16am

Ok did not know that. But thats good I only want PAS in Eco.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by notger » Jun 01 2018 8:33am

madin88 wrote:
Jun 01 2018 12:57am
There are two differnt firmwares. On one the Eco mode works only with PAS (with throttle disabled) and with the other both throttle and PAS works at the same time.
Is there actually some online "collećtion" of all the different firmwares ? (standard, locked, eco-pas, eco-nonpas, passwort-protection,...)
on adapttos website its not even possible anymore to download firmwares for the minis.

and whats the actual newest firmware ?

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by notger » Jun 06 2018 12:43pm

madin88 wrote:
Jun 01 2018 12:57am
There are two differnt firmwares. On one the Eco mode works only with PAS (with throttle disabled) and with the other both throttle and PAS works at the same time.
Are those Firmwares availeable in teh most recent Version ?
and where to get them From (in my case for my two Minis)

thanks --> notger

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by madin88 » Jun 06 2018 1:18pm

notger wrote:
Jun 06 2018 12:43pm
Are those Firmwares availeable in teh most recent Version ?
and where to get them From (in my case for my two Minis)

thanks --> notger
I don't know where you could get them aside from asking adaptto directly for it.
Will take a look on my emails and let you know.
You are looking for the one with PW protection for Normal and Boost mode, and in ECO only PAS schould work?
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by notger » Jun 06 2018 1:26pm

madin88 wrote:
Jun 06 2018 1:18pm
You are looking for the one with PW protection for Normal and Boost mode, and in ECO only PAS schould work?
Hi,

looking for all Mini FW's actually (also to feels save if Adaptto would ever Quit their Business)

- Password protected - Eco mode works only with PAS (with throttle disabled) --> to maybe make a legal Bike someday
- Password Protected - both throttle and PAS works at the same time
- the standard Mini+Display FW Update
- ?? anything else besides the >90Volt unlocked FW ??

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Willow » Jun 08 2018 6:32pm

Allex wrote:
May 30 2018 5:03am
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Does anyone know if the BMS draws ANY power if it is plugged to a pack, and everything else is disconnected (ie. sitting on the shelf)

Thx

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Merlin » Jun 09 2018 4:54am

Nope. Its only a "Balance" board. If "nothing" blinks on the board. No current will draw.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by bowers » Jun 12 2018 6:24am

Will any "ebay PAS system" work with Adaptto or do I need to look for something specific?

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Willow » Jun 13 2018 6:03pm

PAS is simple - so 'HALL" type should work..

But it's also shit. If you have an ADAPTTO - throttle control in torque mode is the only way to go. Forget pas.

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Post by DasDouble » Jun 14 2018 4:44am

I didn´t follow the topic about it so much, but did someone find a way to use a torque sensor for Adaptto instead of the classic old school PAS?
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by notger » Jun 14 2018 5:10am

DasDouble wrote:
Jun 14 2018 4:44am
I didn´t follow the topic about it so much, but did someone find a way to use a torque sensor for Adaptto instead of the classic old school PAS?
I did,..... but there is no "plug and ride" solution

Either you use a CA3 between BB-Torque Sensor and Adaptto-Throttle-In (witch would probably be the most expensive but advanced method)

or:

the German "Forumscontroller"
https://www.pedelecforum.de/wiki/doku.p ... controller

or:

The " ToPPCon" from
stancecoke wrote: @Hochsitzcola
https://www.pedelecforum.de/forum/index ... ost-744192

You cannot plug a torque-sensor to the Pas-in of the adaptto !

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by bowers » Jun 14 2018 3:13pm

Willow wrote:
Jun 13 2018 6:03pm
PAS is simple - so 'HALL" type should work..

But it's also shit. If you have an ADAPTTO - throttle control in torque mode is the only way to go. Forget pas.
Thanks :)

And yeah, PAS sucks... I'm only mounting it to have it available in ECO-mode with the password locked firmware. Perfect cop solution ;)

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by sahbin » Jun 16 2018 8:25am

Hello My adaptto display went off without a reason the controller still works but I have nothing on the display did someone have the same issue? and how can I fix it ? thank you

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by kdog » Jun 19 2018 3:58am

hi all
ive been having massive issues with motor heating on my 3kw motor running a midi-e. I cant put more than about 700-800w continuous through it without excessive heat >120c. ive done every combo of halls (tried the second set), phases, angle corr, and ind timing, both manual and auto detect... all without success.
today I started playing with PWR timing as i'm hoping this will help...
With the wheel off the ground, I was adjusting PWR whilst at WOT & OVS 002. At PWR of over 3.8 I had a
SCARY run away speed increase with instability in rotation. this only happened with the OVS on.
What is this runaway ?
what exactly does PMR do and how does it interact with OVS to do this?
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Cowardlyduck » Jun 19 2018 5:46am

I had a runaway situation like that once when playing with the IND timings. Scary as hell when it quickly exceeds 150Kph :shock:

Post up your hall angle corr and IND timings screen for us. There might be something obviously wrong.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by madin88 » Jun 19 2018 6:59am

kdog wrote:
Jun 19 2018 3:58am
With the wheel off the ground, I was adjusting PWR whilst at WOT & OVS 002. At PWR of over 3.8 I had a
SCARY run away speed increase with instability in rotation. this only happened with the OVS on.
What is this runaway ?
what exactly does PMR do and how does it interact with OVS to do this?
cheers
kdog
I would keep OVS off when doing autodetect or manual tuning. This was mentioned already many times.

PWR timing effects efficiency under load.
To figure out the optimal value i ride always the same hill up at full power (or at least above half throttle).
The lower the increase of heat, the better it is. Than you will come to a point where a higher setting will result in a run away situation (or throttle pumping on and off and such strange things). The value BEFORE this happens is usually the best. If you set it to a lower value you will notice more heat in the motor. Try it out!

The setting Angle corr i adjust at very low speed (RPM) with the wheel off the ground. You can clearly HEAR the optimal setting.
With IND timing i adjust the speed so that i get the speed based on battery voltage x motor kV.
The RPM should be a bit lower as Adaptto is a sine wave controller, but it also depends on the BEMF of the motor.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by kdog » Jun 19 2018 7:34am

thanks Maddin
ive had OVS off when doing all my tuning, and have done it same as you.
this was my first try changing PMR timing and I had left OVS on as I was just playing around. ill take it a bit more seriously this time!!
so im keen to try the new PMR setting.... I have a 350mt vert climb over about 5kms to get home so that will be a test for it.
Auto detect came up with a setting of .51 every time, but ill be trying it at over 2... I wonder why the big difference?

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Post by kdog » Jun 19 2018 7:50am

CD
yeh took me by surprise, only had the bike on its stand on a small bit of wood :shock: lucky it didn't jump right off!
anyway here are my setting that ive settled on, ANG corr, IND ive played with extensively and im pretty sure they're right, but all the others are up for grabs.
ANG corr -4.05
IND 366 usec
PMR 2.13
wire R 103mohm (auto detect set)
Kv 7053 (auto detect set)
hall off set 300deg (auto detect set)
the motor is one of the lellie 3kw one available on aliexpress. seems to be reasonably well made.

is there a trick to running the wheel slowly with no load?
on torque throttle mode it ends up nearly full speed even on lowest possible throttle position. if I switch it to speed mode it pulses wildly trying to stay slow. I thought that applying brakes would distort the reading so I haven't done this
cheers for the help
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by DasDouble » Jun 19 2018 12:30pm

Sorry for hijacking the topic: A friend of mine has a Mini-E and his state of charge stops at "78%" when fully charged. Two weeks ago it worked normally and showed "98%". (See video).

What is going on? Does he only have to set his bike to "set full charge"?

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by mpmoller » Jun 19 2018 3:33pm

I am getting a strange !HALLS! error. When i turn the controller on, it says eco like normal. But if I turn the wheel a bit or try to use the throttle is give me the error. If i contenue to move the wheel it will go back to eco again. Very stange.
It gives me the right H0-H10 values in the troubleshooting menu. Makes no sense.

I installed storade in the motor today but my bike have been apart for about a month as i am converting it to a new frame. I only opened the motor for the storade and everything seemed fine.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by kdog » Jun 19 2018 6:23pm

OMG ive unleashed the adaptto beast!!!
With the new PMR setting Ive halved my heat production, and the power is now AWESOME! Easy does 80kph, wh/km have dropped and it's smoother under power.
I don't have to baby it along anymore yeha! My hill climb this morning I usually get over 120degC even being super conservative, this morning...60deg riding much more aggressively.
So does anyone know exactly what PMR does?

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