Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by madin88 » Jun 30 2017 11:55am

Allex wrote: DC out 12v/16A
fantastic :D
no more need to install a DCDC converter and the risk of a deep discharged battery
this makes the all in one unit much better now.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by brumbrum » Jun 30 2017 3:51pm

Allex wrote:For those who are waiting for a new controller version, here is some "insider" info
This is roughly translated with google so take it easy :)

Currently the new 18 FET controller is almost finished. On the way to the finish line a lot of optimizations were made and in the end it became too powerful for ebikes. When using it with a mid drive config it feels like a 500cc bike. The limitations during the test were in the motor, controller itself was barely warm.

It became clear that this controller is way to powerful for a regular ebike user and so they begun to finalize a 6-fet controller on the same base. The power of this controller will be some where between mini and max.

Some specs:
Halls are separated, so now when you short halls with one of the phases, it will continue running but show a massage on the screen.
FOC mode - no more motor tuning. Some mid drives still need it, but the plan is of course to fix this as well.
Charge sensor - when you connect the coil the controller will see it and stop the motor.
Bluetooth - but this(app) is still in early stage. Need to fix for Android and IOS
Invertor mode + charge mode - on one phase you connect the charger on other two 220v invertor. This make it work like a UPS.
Spot welder mode - this is on the big controller, did not test this on the smaller one(will probably take 0.1mm but not 0.2 like the bigger one. You just need to connect electrodes to the phase wires to make it work.
Accelerometer, gyro and compass.
DC out 12v/16A
Ports: LCD, BMS, PAS, speed sensor, alarm and on/off. And also you will be able to connect throttle/brake without the display.

Old display will work with the new controller line but the throttle calibration will not work in this case

Main goal with this new controller will be robustness, practically non-breakable for all of those users that connect it the wrong way.
Better water protection and heat dissapation.

No prices yet.
No dates yet, but hopefully by the end of this year.
Fets are the same. IRFP4468. The controller is compatible with IRFP4568 (150v)
Battery limits are the same, about 90v, OVS is still present.
Controller supports the old BMS. New BMS is in plan, with temp-sensor.

Oh and the power on the big one: they test 18fet controller with 500-600 peak phase amps with 75V battery(75V when sagging) it spits out more than 30kW
New 18 fet will be slightly bigger than the old 18fet.
Yes you will be able to buy both 18 anf 6 fet version.

This is all!
That is promising a lot! "Robustness, practically unbreakable".

I bet Dr.Bass will cream his pants when he reads the above lol. 8)
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by madin88 » Jul 01 2017 4:22am

brumbrum wrote:
I bet Dr.Bass will cream his pants when he reads the above lol. 8)
:mrgreen:
i bet he already has one or belongs to the beta testers
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Altair » Jul 01 2017 6:36am

Absolutely great news!
Should we start a new thread for this new version?
This present thread is heavy enough as it is...

I propose to name the new thread: 2018 Adaptto Controller
and transfer the last relevant posts of this thread to the new one.
We need a mod to do the transfer I think.
Alex can start the new thread.

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Post by Offroader » Jul 01 2017 1:28pm

Decided to check this thread wondering if they maybe would be an update on a new version of the controller.

How does the inverter work exactly can you give more details? Is that 220 volts AC?

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Post by Willow » Jul 03 2017 1:06am

Wow, some awesome new features.

12V DC out is great... but also including Accelerometer, gyro and compass is freaking cool, but to also be able to use as a spot welder is next level.

Very much looking forward to getting my hands on a few.

Well done Adaptto.

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Post by Cricket_Swe » Jul 03 2017 4:49am

Altair wrote:Absolutely great news!
Should we start a new thread for this new version?
This present thread is heavy enough as it is...

I propose to name the new thread: 2018 Adaptto Controller
and transfer the last relevant posts of this thread to the new one.
We need a mod to do the transfer I think.
Alex can start the new thread.
+1

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by notger » Jul 03 2017 4:59am

Allex wrote: Ports: LCD, BMS, PAS, speed sensor, alarm and on/off. And also you will be able to connect throttle/brake without the display.

Old display will work with the new controller line but the throttle calibration will not work in this case
Any idea if the new Controller will support torquew sensors like Thun, TDCM, Sempa,.., or if the PAS-in is again just a simple switch ?

Is the Alarm combines with gyro and accelerator, or again just code input with brake-switch ?

So the old Display will work, but i guess the new display has another layout and design ?


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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by windchaser » Jul 03 2017 6:27am

Hello all,

Is there a good power mode profiles setup tutorial anywhere- or is is it trial and error? On boost I am now running IbA of about 135 and IpA of about 320- now getting some great acceleration, but I also get a low battery notice when the pack is down to about 70%. I am running an Adaptto e-max and a 72v21a battery and the QSv3.

thanks for your help

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Post by madin88 » Jul 03 2017 6:48am

tutorials are are available ;)

the "low batt" could have two reasons:

to much sag of one (or more) group of cells making the BMS to cut off (depends on the BMS settings)
to much sag of the entire battery making the controller to cut off (depends on low voltage cut off setting)

last thing you could avoid by increasing the setting "v soft limit" to about 3V or more.
the power will be smoothly reduced than.
otherwise you could set 2,5V as low voltage cutoff, but this won't be good for battery lifetime.

however, if your battery already sags soo much at 70% soc, than it probabaly is not designed to deliver 135A, or something is wrong with at least one group of cells!
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Post by Offroader » Jul 03 2017 7:03am

Willow wrote:Wow, some awesome new features.

12V DC out is great... but also including Accelerometer, gyro and compass is freaking cool, but to also be able to use as a spot welder is next level.

Very much looking forward to getting my hands on a few.

Well done Adaptto.
The DC-DC will be interesting. Surprised they have a 16.7 amp output, that is a lot of amps basically it is a 200 watt output. This would be perfect for me because I use heated grips in the winter, use it to power my fan in my motor for cooling, and sometimes hook up some high powered LED lights. You could also use it to power heated clothing.

Hopefully the voltage will be somewhat controllable as most DC-DC converters have Trim and can be adjusted like 50% or more down and 10% up. The reason you would want to go lower is many high quality LED lights run on 2S lipo or 8 volts, and some claim that 12 volts may be too much for their built in DC-DC converter. However, I still run most 8 volt LED lights at 12 volts without any issues. I do remember reading that the MAX-E DC-DC converter would be adjustable on the display.

I also hope that the DC-DC converter can be turned off when you are not using it as most coverters draw a decent amount of current when on and when you are not drawing power from it, or called No Load current. Would be nice to see the datasheet of the DC-DC converter they are going to use. A large 16.7 amp converter will draw more no load current also then a smaller amp DC-DC converter, so surprised they are using such a large one as most will not need anywhere close to 16.7 amps at the 12 volt.

The other good thing is they finally are going to use a battery temp guage, something I have been complaining that the Max-E lacks. The only thing I don't like hearing is that the BMS will have it. I think that the controller should have its own temp wire for the battery and not need to go through the BMS and also display the battery temperature on the display.

I don't use the BMS for my Max-E but still charge my battery with the Max-E. I also would like to monitor the temps as I can heat my battery up to 50C, and I also would like the battery temp guage to cut off charging if the cells start overheating due to some charging issue or battery issue.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by windchaser » Jul 03 2017 9:53am

madin88 wrote:tutorials are are available ;)

the "low batt" could have two reasons:

to much sag of one (or more) group of cells making the BMS to cut off (depends on the BMS settings)
to much sag of the entire battery making the controller to cut off (depends on low voltage cut off setting)

last thing you could avoid by increasing the setting "v soft limit" to about 3V or more.
the power will be smoothly reduced than.
otherwise you could set 2,5V as low voltage cutoff, but this won't be good for battery lifetime.

however, if your battery already sags soo much at 70% soc, than it probabaly is not designed to deliver 135A, or something is wrong with at least one group of cells!
Thanks for that, will try these settings and see if that improves things. I am currently using lower (Dischg cutoff) 2.75x 20= 55 might knock this down a couple V, but I don't really want to kill the battery. Talking to my battery builder to see what he recommends.

I have been looking for some set up tutorials, but have not been able to find them- if you know where- would you lat me know.

cheers
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by madin88 » Jul 03 2017 1:08pm

First i would take a look to the BMS screen during drawing such high amps, but please be careful when doing so!!, better mount a camera above the display and keep your eyes on the road.
If only one or a few groups showing so much sag, than there could be a design flaw of the battery (it is important where the balancing wires are soldered), or defect cells.


otherwise, a sag to 2,75V per cell at 70% SOC will kill your battery quite soon!!
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by bowers » Jul 03 2017 4:37pm

Hi

I just helped a buddy of mine put together a new e-bike with a Mini-E on it. (13S 9P - 48V pack)
Works good so far, but we´re getting negative amp values on the display when the bike is idle. Any idea what this could be?

When the bike is idle the display shows around -0,7 amps on the display. (Like when it´s charging or regen is active) This bike does not have a adaptto BMS.

Thanks!

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Post by brumbrum » Jul 04 2017 1:53am

bowers wrote:Hi

I just helped a buddy of mine put together a new e-bike with a Mini-E on it. (13S 9P - 48V pack)
Works good so far, but we´re getting negative amp values on the display when the bike is idle. Any idea what this could be?

When the bike is idle the display shows around -0,7 amps on the display. (Like when it´s charging or regen is active) This bike does not have a adaptto BMS.

Thanks!
I believe this maybe adjusted on one of the shunt values in the setting. Go onto the calibration menu on the display and try adjusting 'zero offset'.
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Post by bowers » Jul 04 2017 6:35am

Thanks! We'll have a look at it tonight and see what happens ;)

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Post by douglashart » Jul 05 2017 12:04pm

My Mini display wont come on. I had it up and running. Charged , AutoDetect, then ran it a bit on the stand. took a break , came back and the display was not there. I did hook up a brake throttle but wasn't sure about my connection so unhooked it , but then it ran some more before shutting it off the last time. Ive posted this here a month ago and ive tried contacting adaptto. I'm still without any answers. Can anyone make any suggestions? thanks doug

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by notger » Jul 07 2017 6:05pm

Just an idea please help me thinking about it.

Id like to make easyly swapable motormount for my bikes.
i would buy another Adaptto to mount them fixed on my bikes.

so where are actually all the settings of the controller stored, on the Display or the controller-"box" itself?

i'm just thinking about the option of just havin two seperate Displays mounted on the bikes and swap motor-controller unit togeter or just the motor to another controller.

Sure i do not want to make an autodetect and change all the setting everytime i swap th different motors.

??hope thats understandable

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by atomek1000 » Jul 08 2017 12:33pm

(old)Max-e seems dead(display was working almost constantly for a year and today it is dead, no backlit and no reaction to throttle. Was fine yesterday).
Quick question: How do i check what is the problem?? When i plug 72v into it nothing happens and when i try to measure any voltage at display connector there is 0v.
Does bms get power when display is not powered?
Does halls get 5v when display is not powered?
My controller did not have on-off switch. I did not make mine either.

I recon that people were sending adaptto to russia and waiting 3 months for repair. Is it still the same?

Any help will be appreciated.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by ridethelightning » Jul 08 2017 6:42pm

unusual.
being out of warranty means it cant hurt to open it up an see where the power is getting to (or not)
you sure you battery connections are good???

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by atomek1000 » Jul 09 2017 1:41am

Battery is ok and 72v. When connecting to controller there is spark as usual.

If you have adaptto can you check if halls get 5v when display is not plugged in?

I will obviously open it up but i dont know what to look for. Maybe someone had simmilar issue before?

Thanks

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Willow » Jul 09 2017 1:46am

atomek1000 wrote: When connecting to controller there is spark as usual.
Not want you want... you must use a pre-charge resistor to eliminate the spark. You can very easily damage the controller if you do not use one. Sparks are never good.

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Post by atomek1000 » Jul 09 2017 3:31am

Omgg.. i have pre charge but wanted to check right now if everything is as usual. When it was working for 1.5year it never saw a spark in whole controller life.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Longshot » Jul 10 2017 9:43pm

Can someone point me to the info on how to replace the fuse in a max E? My motor fried it.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by bigbore » Jul 11 2017 8:01am

Longshot wrote:Can someone point me to the info on how to replace the fuse in a max E? My motor fried it.
There is no fuse in the controller but if you refer at the HALLS error after a short between phase and halls wires here is my solution:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... r#p1277234

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