Hub Motor Identification...

Ok ..I bought a Motorino XMR.
Looks like a real motorbike..handles extremely well, great ride and comfortable..real motorcycle tubeless tires 4.5 inches wide!
72 volt, SLA..Sinewave 12 Fet controller drawing max of 30 amps, weight 245 lbs (90 of that is the batteries )

Disconnected the governor and will do about 55-60 kph. A bit slow on acceleration, (my recumbent trike with 92 volt lithium 18 fet Crystalyte controller pulling 65 amps on a Crystalyte H4080 24 inch wheel pulls about 3 times as hard and a max speed of around 80 kph)

Heres the thing...On my trike on a hot day getting up to speed sometimes the motor gets so hot you cant touch the side plates of the motor..on this bike, ive done the same thing and the side plates are barely warm...its a beefy motor, bigger and wider than the H4080.

QUESTION: Does anyone know anything about it?...pictures included...as Motorino wont tell me.

Im thinking of supplanting the headway cells or maybe some RC Lipo cells in a 92 volt configuration swap out the controller for my Crystalyte 18 fet..and this thing should experience a sizeable increase in performance..the difference between this and standard bikes being modified with hub motors is its much much safer, with far superior handling..and with the modifications will come about 50 lb reduction in weight.




Looking forward to comments..

john

No clue on the motor but I'd definitely ditch the dead weight SLA's for lipo or preferably some tesla cells. I betcha you could match the pack volts and amperage and loose more than 50 lbs.

I'm sure your controller would be awesome but a Max E would be or could be the hot ticket for you.

Look forward to seeing what you do.

Do you have a warranty that you will loose? Worth anything to you?

Tom

litespeed said:

No clue on the motor but I'd definitely ditch the dead weight SLA's for lipo or preferably some tesla cells. I betcha you could match the pack volts and amperage and loose more than 50 lbs.

I'm sure your controller would be awesome but a Max E would be or could be the hot ticket for you.

Look forward to seeing what you do.

Do you have a warranty that you will loose? Worth anything to you?

Tom

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Hey Tom

The warranty on this bike is 5 years on the frame, motor and controller...the price is $2500, but even with the mods the frame and components would still be under warranty..

Without a doubt I would lose 50 lbs..can you tell me about the Max E controller?...how is it better than my Crystalyte..which has all the bells and whistles and it is very reliable, pulls like a frieght train..

Im still stuck on the Lipo issue..what is the safest RC battery?..I dont need a 150c battery lol...i would like a 92 volt 20 amp system st start out with.


Thanks

John

Too hot means low efficiency of power use.....
Yuma motor from China Wuxi. 2000W version is max 65kph

eva-michael said:

Too hot means low efficiency of power use.....
Yuma motor from China Wuxi. 2000W version is max 65kph

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Well the other bikes that resemble this one made by Daymak and Emmo all have much smaller motors. I tested them each and after only a short time in very hot conditions, they were quite warm to hot. This is a sign that at 78 volts and pulling a max of 30 amps, they are stressed. When I did the same thing to mine the motor wasnt even warm.

Thanks for the info on the motor, I am going to try and get some specs on it.

John

Well..that didnt take long...cant find anything on it..cant even find the company...if anyone has a link at least that would be great..

Thanks

John

litespeed said:

No clue on the motor but I'd definitely ditch the dead weight SLA's for lipo or preferably some tesla cells. I betcha you could match the pack volts and amperage and loose more than 50 lbs.

I'm sure your controller would be awesome but a Max E would be or could be the hot ticket for you.

Look forward to seeing what you do.

Do you have a warranty that you will loose? Worth anything to you?

Tom

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You mentioned Tesla cells...where would I go about acquiring those?...how expensive would they be?


Thanks

John

Tesla cells,

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=67661

Max E and the others,

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58190

Tom

litespeed said:

Tesla cells,

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=67661

Max E and the others,

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58190

Tom

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Ok thanks, I have emailed him about the cells...couldnt get a sense of how much a 72 volt 20+ ah pack would be by reading the posts.

The addapto controller is a bit pricy for me when the Crystalyte works just fine with same amperage pull...(65 amp)

Max E goes up to 160 amps.

72 volts nominal and 20 amp pack would be a 20s7p.

Tom

litespeed said:

Max E goes up to 160 amps.

72 volts nominal and 20 amp pack would be a 20s7p.

Tom

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anything over 100 amps would almost certainly require me to get into the motor and at the very least increase the phase wire thickness, which at this point I dont want to do...the Max E mini will pull up to 65 amps and I think that would be fine, but I am going to try my controller first to see if 65 amps is enough. Im waiting for a couple of quotes on cells.

John

Holy moly!

All the smart dudes on this forum and no one can ID this hub motor?.....someone has to have some info or at least point me in the right direction for info?


John

johnnyz said:

Holy moly!
All the smart dudes on this forum and no one can ID this hub motor?

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Someone already did, in this thread.

eva-michael said:

Too hot means low efficiency of power use.....
Yuma motor from China Wuxi. 2000W version is max 65kph

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Drunkskunk said:

johnnyz said:

Holy moly!
All the smart dudes on this forum and no one can ID this hub motor?

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Someone already did, in this thread.

eva-michael said:

Too hot means low efficiency of power use.....
Yuma motor from China Wuxi. 2000W version is max 65kph

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I realize that the reader read the Writing on the hub motor..BUT I STILL.CANT FIND ANYTHING on YUMA HUB motors on the net...it's like its shrouded in mystery, so let me re-phrase...." If anyone can provide me with any useful information on this motor or a link with useful information I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks!

John

https://motorino.ca/motorino-xmr
Ask them. From their website;

Unique Electric Drive Design

As seen on all MOTORINO™ XP models this scooter is fitted with our unique CCT drive system. This drive system provides three electronic gears allowing selection of high torque, high speed or high ramge, depending on the riders preference and road conditions, while maintaining a high motor efficiency. Rated at 500W continuous power, our CCT system is capable of providing peak torque comparable to that seen in 50cc gas scooters with zero emissions and all the advantages of a Motor Assisted Cycle (MAC) classification (no license, no insurance, free parking).

Motor
MOTORINO CCT 500W 72V high-torque three-phase AC permanent-magnet brushless

Motor Controller
MOTORINO CCT microprocessor-controlled Sine-Wave controller with regenerative braking

Max Torque
125 Nm

wesnewell said:

https://motorino.ca/motorino-xmr
Ask them. From their website;

Unique Electric Drive Design

As seen on all MOTORINO™ XP models this scooter is fitted with our unique CCT drive system. This drive system provides three electronic gears allowing selection of high torque, high speed or high ramge, depending on the riders preference and road conditions, while maintaining a high motor efficiency. Rated at 500W continuous power, our CCT system is capable of providing peak torque comparable to that seen in 50cc gas scooters with zero emissions and all the advantages of a Motor Assisted Cycle (MAC) classification (no license, no insurance, free parking).

Motor
MOTORINO CCT 500W 72V high-torque three-phase AC permanent-magnet brushless

Motor Controller
MOTORINO CCT microprocessor-controlled Sine-Wave controller with regenerative braking

Max Torque
125 Nm

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lol...OMG!...Yup I asked them and yup I am aware of the PR on the bike..doesnt tell me anything and they claim they dont know anything and cant give me any specs on either the Motor or the Controller.

For example, when I first took it out thought that maybe the throttle was sticking cause every once and awhile I would let go of the throttle and the bike would maintain the speed..would have to brake to release...so figured it was a cruise control of some sort...called Motorino and they said...yea apparently it is a cruise control but we didnt know anything about it...they couldnt tell me anything other than that..well I took off the panels and found the wiring to it and unplugged it...circumventing an otherwise potentially dangerous deal.

John

What more info do you need?
https://motorino.ca/technology/cct-drive-system/
Might find more info here. Google search for cct motor.
http://www.meetup.com/Electric-Bicycles/boards/thread/25105052/10/

wesnewell said:

What more info do you need?
https://motorino.ca/technology/cct-drive-system/
Might find more info here. Google search for cct motor.
http://www.meetup.com/Electric-Bicycles/boards/thread/25105052/10/

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Ok now were getting somewhere....thanks

Info I need is the wind, phase wires used inside, bearing, what kind of hall sensors, aluminum stator or steel, etc..

I plan on "hot rodding" it and so far, I think it is a far capable motor than the one im using on the trike (Crystalyte h4080)...I have ove the course of 4000 kms pulled up to 5300 watts out of the H4080, but this is taxing it..as it can get really really hot...havent melted it yet, and I suspect if I were to take it apart everything would be fine...but this thing..even in 90 degree temps and full throttle for over 30 mins..barely warm...

John

Well...no quite what I was hoping for...

Maybe this helps:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013707272852

Hey, I have the Motorino XMb and it has the exactly same stock build. I was wondering if maybe you could lend me a hand in locating the limiter/governor wire on the controller. It would be very appreciated.