Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jul 16 2019 6:34am

This is an inexpensive controller that allows you to accelerate my bike at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour. If I give more speed, the BMS shuts off the battery, and everything shuts down because of it.

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APT AE96600 controller extra photos

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Jul 17 2019 5:21pm

Seems as if QSmotor (and others) are deliberately trying to hide their photos from search engines like Google and Bing. With a little sleuthing I post herein some photos of the AE96600 controller that may (or may not) be hidden from you. Copy them while you can. Enjoy:
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APT AE96600 controller Wiring Diagram

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Jul 17 2019 7:00pm

And for kicks, here is an APT AE9600 wiring "cheat sheet" I just whipped up. Enjoy.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Jul 18 2019 2:02am

the docs are available in a package when you buy the controller - or at a bunch of alibaba or aliexpress sites. Might be good to have them here also but i think this thread was ready to die.

I am convinced that this controller is not worth to invest in (for now) since a complete manual and stable program is still missing after a lot of effort. different functions of the controller is blocked for different users.
flux weakening, (which looks quite advanced) doesn't work on my controller.

Maybe time will solve these, or more requests to QS or ADVpower.

edit:if you're happy to get it preprogrammed and want a huge brick then it might be acceptable.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Jul 18 2019 7:37am

larsb wrote:
Jul 18 2019 2:02am
...Might be good to have them here also ...
That's the idea.
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APT AE96600 controller Wiring Diagram with CA

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Jul 18 2019 4:12pm

Here's what the wiring would look like with a Cycle Analyst HC version added to the mix.
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Isolated DC-DC converter necessary?

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Jul 29 2019 7:10pm

So I'm having some doubts/questions about the public APT AE96600 wiring diagram.

The APT AE96600 wiring diagram clearly shows "Isolated DC-DC". But does that mean that this controller would not work with a non-isolated DC-DC converter (i.e. one with a common ground)?? Or is that just a preference?

For those who have actually installed this (massive/heavy) controller, what setup did you use for your DC-DC converter? Isolated? Non-isolated?

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APT AE96600 controller updated wiring diagram

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Jul 30 2019 3:58pm

Turns out there are two versions of the APT AE96600 controller: One for "EVs" and another for "Motorcycle/Scooter". Depending on which model you order, the wiring is slightly different. As such, I've condensed the information (as much as I can ascertain) for what the Motorcycle/Scooter wiring should be. Enjoy.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Aug 12 2019 2:24pm

I am convinced that this controller is not worth to invest in (for now) since:
-complete manual and stable program is still missing after a lot of effort.
-different functions of the controller is blocked for different users.
-flux weakening, (which looks quite advanced) doesn't work on my controller.
-max DC current output is low for the size.

Maybe time will solve these, or more requests to QS or ADVpower for improvements.

edit:if you're happy to get it preprogrammed and want a huge brick then it might be acceptable but i think there are better options out there.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: buy with caveat)

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Aug 12 2019 5:33pm

larsb wrote:
Aug 12 2019 2:24pm
edit:if you want a huge brick then it might be acceptable but i think there are better options out there.
Edit: if you have an eBike and expect such a huge brick (and I mean huge -- the damn thing weighs 16.4lbs/7.4kilos) to somehow magically fit on your eBike, then I want what you are smoking! :P

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APT AE96600 controller + Bluetooth module

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Aug 20 2019 10:14am

For those of you considering adding either a Cycle Analyst or PowerVelocity Bluetooth module to the mix, here is the wiring you'll want for your APT AE96600 controller. Note: this is what I am currently using on my eZuma scooter/motorcycle and the PV iPhone app works like a charm.

Note that you cannot simply "tap" into the motor temp circuit being used by the AE96600 controller -- the PV BT module and it will "fight" over it and the temperature reading will read incorrectly, causing lots of headaches.

YMMV
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Wiring details for APT AE9600 controller

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Sep 02 2019 2:28pm

Live and learn. There are some subtle wiring details that you must get right if you don't want unwanted behavior when using an AE96000 controller (as compared to a few other controllers that I have some experience with). The key thing I learned the hard way is that all the functions highlighted in light blue below must ground not to common ground but only to the A1/Throttle/5V- ground. My previous bike wiring worked fine with other controllers but the APT is a bit more finicky in that regard (I have a hunch that the 5V circuit is isolated, not sharing common ground like other controllers). The upshot is that I fried my PowerVelocity Bluetooth module by using common ground for a few of the functions. Just FYI. YMMV.
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Isolating the 5V from 12V for the BT module

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Sep 04 2019 7:24pm

Well leave it to @ElectricGod to provide some insight that might very well "solve" my problem. If I were to add a dedicated 5V buck converter that shared the common ground, then I wouldn't need to use the 5V coming out of the controller. This (in theory) should isolate any 5V "chatter" that I am seeing in my 12V brake circuit. Trouble is, I don't have a spare PowerVelocity BT module to validate my hypothesis. So for now, this diagram is merely hypothetical. YMMV.
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Wiring the APT AE96600 controller

Post by MJSfoto1956 » Oct 04 2019 4:12pm

Well, the hypothesis was flawed from the get-go. As others on ES had suggested elsewhere, it was a bad brake switch that was passing 5V when inactive. Replacing the switch solved the problem. But in the meantime, I have a fried PowerVelocity bluetooth module which no longer works. And no word from PV as to whether or not they are still in business or not. At this point, I'm definitely considering adding a Cycle Analyst to the mix as with a CA V3 is much less flakiness, more support, and a more mature/extensible product line -- even though the interface is so 1980s.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by TOBAGO » Oct 25 2019 12:32pm

Hello everyone, where can I get the EV Drive Manager software to be able to re-program the motor controller? Thank you

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Nov 23 2019 3:55am

There is some risk attached to using different controller hardware and program revisions. I managed to brick my controller when testing different programs.

So:
1) ask seller of your controller for the matching program
2) ask QS motor (www.cnqsmotor.com) for program
3) final and last as this might be an outdated copy: here is program, version 10.1
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by Volts » Dec 05 2019 11:03pm

can this controller handle 100v on a qsv3 setup without getting hot?

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Dec 06 2019 12:42am

:D
QSV3 isn’t just one motor. Didn’t you have time to write a full question? If it’s a QS273 80h bike going 5000m uphill in the alps with two passengers then yes, it will get hot

-it’s got 36fets
-it’s super heavy and big (large thermal mass and cooling surface)
-i don’t see many controllers here that would get less hot
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by Volts » Dec 06 2019 5:01am

Ok thanks just wanted to know that it could handle more then 100v without problems, I’m hearing talk on the forums that a lot of controllers get hot with a battery that’s over 20s I know my mqcon controller does. Also why is their a don’t buy on the blog update title? When most of the reports are positive.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Dec 07 2019 2:27am

If you read the thread you’ll know.

In short words:
-it’s huge and power output does not match the size
-Program is not stable, you can set parameters multiple times before they stick.
-Different functions are disabled in different controllers - you don’t know what you get when you buy one.
-It can be bricked just by using program

Pros:
If you run 120V and dont care about programming, field weakening and huge size and want the lowest possible price then this might be for you.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by lionelt » Dec 12 2019 4:43am

i 'll buy motor+ gearbox+clutch for a trial GasGas conversion

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controller is APT 72400 (48-72V 400A)
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Does this program is compatible with it ?

Seller does not provide software
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by Bartosh » Jan 03 2020 11:21am

Hey. Anyone willing to share recent software for programming the controller? I have 2.0.0.10.1 but it's impossible to set more than 2550 rpms in mode 4, even though 20k is the limit according to the manual. If boost mode (5) is used, it spins faster but cuts out the throttle when hitting about 3k rpms. I try to make it work with qs 138 70h middrive motor. QS says no go, but we'll see (-; BTW I contacted ADVpower asking for the software... but "I'm very sorry to tell you that our products are used for mass vehicle customers, not for individual DIY, so we don't have special personnel to support DIYer." So, yeah, no go.

Larsb, were you able to make it work smoothly (comparing to votol), despite the lack of FW and 3speed functionality?

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Jan 03 2020 11:51am

Yes, no problems with basic functionality, full RPM and mode setting also worked, no difference between modes. (10.1 version)

Somehow i suspect that the hall sensor holder that was damaged for you ended up in the wrong position when it was damaged. Then your sensors are misplaced.

I’ve also asked ADV for program without success. You might just ask QS also for latest version
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by Bartosh » Jan 03 2020 11:52am

larsb wrote:
Jan 03 2020 11:51am
Yes, no problems with basic functionality and mode setting also worked.
Thanks. Over 2550rpms in mode 4 or boost only?

Actually I could power it with 30s/126v and use without fw, but considering my bad luck with votol (20s), will need to think twice.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by Bartosh » Jan 03 2020 12:07pm

larsb wrote:
Jan 03 2020 11:51am

Somehow i suspect that the hall sensor holder that was damaged for you ended up in the wrong position when it was damaged. Then your sensors are misplaced.
Been thinking about it... I took pictures before replacing it + compared it with one of your flooded motor photos if I remember correctly. Tried to play with the mounting screws also. Will look into it again though. You may be right.

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