Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » May 20 2019 2:21am

I tried changing the hall sensors, and the degrees. When changing degrees by 60, the wheel turns in the opposite direction, while much softer and without extraneous sounds. But I think its spinning in the opposite direction?At the same time, the speeds do not work, as if the boost mode is constantly turned on.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » May 21 2019 12:09pm

Today I tried to change the settings of wheel motor degrees of timing but the problem is not resolved. Looking for a solution to the problem further.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by larsb » May 21 2019 12:49pm

that shows 60 deg setting is not correct, too high speed, changed rotation - then it's way off.

You can try from what you had before and try between +/-60 degrees in 15 degree steps.
You'll probably find a best setting there.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by larsb » May 21 2019 12:59pm

larsb wrote:
May 13 2019 3:34pm
Bartosh wrote:
Jan 20 2019 5:46pm
Hey larsb, any luck running qs 138 mid drive with flux? BTW what's your opinion on the controller so far?
I am driving again, new batteries and the APT, so far only some runs. I sometimes get cutouts at close to 300A battery / 600A phase current so i guess that this is close to the limit of the AE96600 with my setup.
That was short :( .. My controller died today when i was out driving. Turns out that the max battery current possible in program is 250A, the only reason i got higher seems to be that the current sensor has gone whack. It showed erratic reading in the program and eventually died completely. Now it only twitches at throttle. So much for large chunks of controllers.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » May 21 2019 1:15pm

I tried -120,-90, degrees, and so on, the error POPs up at any position. And it's the same all the time. But optimal settings with those that are now installed.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by larsb » May 21 2019 1:52pm

I am pretty sure that "flux sign" should be -1 in flux weakening screen.
You could also try to set all flux weaken to zero to remove any possibility for issues there.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by Bartosh » May 21 2019 2:34pm

larsb wrote:
May 21 2019 12:59pm
larsb wrote:
May 13 2019 3:34pm
Bartosh wrote:
Jan 20 2019 5:46pm
Hey larsb, any luck running qs 138 mid drive with flux? BTW what's your opinion on the controller so far?
I am driving again, new batteries and the APT, so far only some runs. I sometimes get cutouts at close to 300A battery / 600A phase current so i guess that this is close to the limit of the AE96600 with my setup.
That was short :( .. My controller died today when i was out driving. Turns out that the max battery current possible in program is 250A, the only reason i got higher seems to be that the current sensor has gone whack. It showed erratic reading in the program and eventually died completely. Now it only twitches at throttle. So much for large chunks of controllers.
Oh no... I'm so freakin' disappointed right now :/ Did you have a look inside (yet)? Now I wonder what type of mosfets you're find there... and what actually happened. You think that 250A DC is ok to be on the safe side?

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by larsb » May 21 2019 2:50pm

I'll open it and post some pics.

I drove it for some months at 150-200A max, not a single cutout. Where the true limit is.. Who knows :wink:
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » May 23 2019 10:29am

Today I tried to change the battery current, but the error still turns off the controller. I don't know what to do.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by larsb » May 23 2019 4:02pm

I don't know either.. Do you have some other controller you can try? it would rule out problems with the motor if that would work.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by larsb » May 23 2019 4:11pm

larsb wrote:
May 21 2019 12:59pm
That was short :( .. My controller died today when i was out driving. Turns out that the max battery current possible in program is 250A, the only reason i got higher seems to be that the current sensor has gone whack. It showed erratic reading in the program and eventually died completely. Now it only twitches at throttle. So much for large chunks of controllers.
I have to pull back this one. current sensor reading is dead (still) but now i also get hall sensor error. I tried the sensors with the little tester thingy and one sensor is gone. Opened the motor and it's got salt and water in it. Salt/rust and muck can be seen in the bottom of the opening, check pic..
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so this could be the root cause to either the controller dying or the controller not functioning.

I ordered some new SS511AT hall sensors as replacements. Let's hope that it's not the complete PCB gone.. It has blistered in some places so the laminate doesn't seem to be of good quality.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » May 24 2019 12:47am

It felt like he was living in water.Before installing the cover promazh sealant. Everything will be OK.

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Programming APT AE96600 controller - don't buy

Post by larsb » Jun 02 2019 12:58am

I replaced the motor hall sensor and the controller is working again :D :D :D

time to draw some conclusions..
I have tried three programs:
- EVdrivemanager.xx.7A that is partially locked
- EVdrivemanager.xx.7B that doesn't start at all (at least on my computer)
- EVdrivemanager.xx.10.1 that does not seem blocked but some parameters can't be changed

-flux weakening and mode setting (eco, three speed) does not work reliably in any of the programs. This is a stopper for me.

- I've been in contact with ADVpower for 6 months to get either a new/stable program or help with a complete manual but no success.

- I can't recommend buying the ae96600 controller at this moment. It's cheap but as program is not stable it's too much of a gamble. The huge size cannot be motivated since it has a relatively low max DC current (250A)
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jun 20 2019 12:37pm

Gave me the manufacturer of the wheel firmware for the controller APT 96600, and a program for firmware. Now the bike rides just fine without disconnections. I'm happy.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Jun 20 2019 1:18pm

Could you upload this firmware here? And description how to load it?

Could help others in same situation!
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jun 20 2019 2:41pm

This firmware is only for ymotor motor.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jun 20 2019 2:45pm

I can mail the files. It does not get spread.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Jun 20 2019 2:53pm

Ok, please send me a PM.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jun 21 2019 4:28pm

Не могу прикрепить файл.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jun 30 2019 4:36am

If someone does not report it I will send again.

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jun 30 2019 4:38am

Larsb: Answer APT 96600 withstand 250a battery current?

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Jun 30 2019 7:46am

I don't know.
I've run it at 200A for a long time and 250-300A just a short while. The controller is completely dead now as the program is corrupted and i have removed it from my bike so it will be a while before i try the new firmware.

200 to 250A equals 60% more heat so it's a big step..
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jul 03 2019 8:51am

larsb wrote:
Jun 30 2019 7:46am
I don't know.
I've run it at 200A for a long time and 250-300A just a short while. The controller is completely dead now as the program is corrupted and i have removed it from my bike so it will be a while before i try the new firmware.

200 to 250A equals 60% more heat so it's a big step..
And how to increase the speed in the economy mode?

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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by larsb » Jul 03 2019 9:42am

You set the speed for the mode the controller is in. Eco mode doesn't work for me but with a switch to the correct wires i can get mode 3,4&5
5 is boost mode, 3&4 what you set them at.
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Re: Programming APT AE96600 controller (UPDATE: don't buy..)

Post by SergeyNikulochkin » Jul 03 2019 9:51am

4 mode this is normal. 5 mode is boost. But I do not know economical. After the new firmware is in economy mode, the speed fell. But the overall speed and dynamics remained the same. Even feels a little increased.

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