Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by Alan B » Sep 25 2018 7:51pm

Sorry I didn't make it, will it be in Reno again next year?

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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by spinningmagnets » Sep 25 2018 11:46pm

Definitely in Reno again next year.

Who knows why. Last year I had been told that the two contenders were Denver Colorado, or Reno. Both places have MUCH better outdoor demo terrain, compared to "bootleg canyon" in Las Vegas.

I am certain Las Vegas was squeezing them for a bigger slice of the pie, and the city of Reno very much gave them a big break.

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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by liveforphysics » Sep 26 2018 12:53am

If I do the show next year (I generally try to if I have time), I'm going to do all the days of outdoor riding demo, and then one day inside at the show. Vegas indoor track was fun, but nothing beats riding a ski resort.
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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by devo1223 » Sep 26 2018 1:27am

liveforphysics wrote:
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If I do the show next year (I generally try to if I have time), I'm going to do all the days of outdoor riding demo, and then one day inside at the show. Vegas indoor track was fun, but nothing beats riding a ski resort.
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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

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Post by xcnick » Sep 28 2018 11:28am

I wrote as inflammatory as possible and you guys haven't banned me. I even got a great response: {<insert secret handshake.

Industry reporters do well at comparing this year's Interbike to others. My perspective is as a first timer who lied, cheated and stole to get in. Why go to this trouble?

It was Don Koski who gave me my ticket to ride. His skibike is half of what I want to build so a great association. Don invented mountain biking. I laugh my ass off when ever I say that. Looking at him you would never believe it, and it is even funnier because how true it is.

As we got to know each other we spoke of the junk yard at the foot of the Richmond San Rafael Bridge. That was his resource to invent a new bike. I knew it well. I invented BMX from the same yard. LMAO. No internet and bike shops with city bikes for sale. I was working with only the allowance of a 11 year old.

Now look at Hall 1 at Interbike. Look what I have available compared to what he had. In the back behind the maze tucked away out of sight the last hall even provided the final solution. Here I found an engineer who understands small production. If I get a second customer...

The rest came from pressing the flesh, not the halls. I live only 20 miles away, but I slept in my van and partied with the up and coming reps who were sleeping rough. Friday found my van/house in the shop, me hung over, bikes busted all over the place, but I wasn't getting my three hots and a cot like the usual binge. Therefor I was able to ride some inspiring trails the next three days.

Monday rolls around and it is time to pay back. Easy I think. I will buy a couple skibikes from Don and put them in our ski rental shop. Now here is where life has gone south compared to old days. The skibike federation is up in arms and Don is texting don't contact anyone. WTF? Look, you guys make all the decisions, I will just write the check.

Then to the ski area. The manager is an old friend who used to ride the original ski bob or what ever it was called. However climbing the corporate ladder has turned him into an amateur lawyer. I got the speech about ANSI 77b or whatever, and left knowing the fun police had won. You can't even give stuff away today.

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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by LockH » Sep 28 2018 11:38am

^^ It was YOU watt wrote "Knowing I was in the land of secret handshakes didn't stop me"...

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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by xcnick » Sep 28 2018 12:51pm

I only recognize my friends from their avatars. I would love to hear about yours!

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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by spinningmagnets » Sep 28 2018 12:58pm

"...but I slept in my van..."

Now you're making me jealous. I remember one time I was sleeping on the beach in Australia, good times...

As far as writing the article, I am currently handcuffed to a bed in Alabama, will be home in Kansas soon. How am I typing this?...only my hands are cuffed.

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Post by neptronix » Sep 29 2018 11:34pm

xcnick wrote:
Sep 28 2018 11:28am
I wrote as inflammatory as possible and you guys haven't banned me. I even got a great response: {<insert secret handshake.
We don't tend to ban people until the autistic screeching gets overbearingly loud. :mrgreen:
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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by liveforphysics » Sep 30 2018 12:31am

spinningmagnets wrote:
Sep 28 2018 12:58pm
"...but I slept in my van..."

Now you're making me jealous. I remember one time I was sleeping on the beach in Australia, good times...

As far as writing the article, I am currently handcuffed to a bed in Alabama, will be home in Kansas soon. How am I typing this?...only my hands are handcuffed.
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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by devo1223 » Oct 04 2018 12:43pm

I commute from Kings Beach to Incline Village on my ebike so those pics of the lake are what I see everyday on my way to work, and is so much better to see on an ebike. Great article, Tahoe is awesome! but I'm a bit bias....
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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by xcnick » Oct 04 2018 1:28pm

"We live where you vacation." I got a bunch of other snotty ones too.

Well written. How many drafts? I shared my fear of talking now I know it is only my first draft.

How much to do some investigating into Enviolo (NuVinci)? They reorganize and move to Euroland and now won't sell to the states? They don't come to Interbike? Who do I have kill to get one? What do you think of the Harmony/Automatic?

The no ebikes signs disappeared on the Nevada side. There is a story there. NRS 482.090 482.0287 483,067 and NRS 480.730. The last one is the real goodie.

Here is my side. How is it going in The Socialist Republic of Cali? I worry about an accountant who lives in a high tax state and works in a no tax state. How does that pencil out?
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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by xcnick » Oct 04 2018 1:40pm

How was the beach cruiser compared to a Townie? I see it is foot forward. The new Townies are out! disc brakes, 8speed, Bosch motor, same price as the cruiser 2100, 400 off last years. I see last years on eBay for 2100, good luck with that. Story?

Devo and I rode the Spitzenkiller but he raced the Fantik. Compare and contrast?

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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by LockH » Oct 04 2018 4:48pm

Hehe... News getting bigger about the Bosch Powertube...

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Bosch PowerTube 500 Wins Interbike 2018 'eBike Product Innovation' of the Year:
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Irvine, Calif. – Bosch eBike Systems' PowerTube 500, a battery which can be sleekly integrated into the frame of the bicycle, won the prestigious Interbike 2018 "eBike Product Innovation" Award. Interbike partnered with Hi-Torque Publications to evaluate and select winners in mountain, road and electric categories.

"The PowerTube 500 sets a new eBike standard by showing it's possible to get both a really capable, high-range eBike that looks more and more like a regular bicycle," said Claudia Wasko, Vice President & General Manager of Bosch eBike Systems Americas. "We're proud of this award and to see so many gorgeous PowerTube-equipped eBikes start to hit dealer showrooms." North American brands using PowerTube on their newest eBike models include Bulls, Cannondale, Cube, Fuji, Gazelle, Haibike, Mondraker, Raleigh Electric, Riese & Mueller, and Trek.

New design dimension: PowerTube 500 combines style with efficiency
Bosch's new eBike battery can be integrated into the frame of an eBike, invisible from the outside. This considerably widens the range of options available to bike designers, manufacturers and end consumers. The PowerTube 500 combines style and practicality, offering the power of an eBike with an aesthetic that more closely resembles a traditional bicycle.
Hehe... It's a "prestigious" award. :mrgreen:
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Post by xcnick » Oct 04 2018 10:20pm

I am new here. I know it ruins a joke, but I am guessing you share my WTF reaction. We just got back from Reno's first ebike only store. Francesca now wants an integrated tube. I like my blowers sticking out of the hood. Maybe the award is deserving if not terribly sad.

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Post by LockH » Oct 05 2018 12:11am

^^ Hehe... Local stores selling ebikes, Number One Selling Tool..."Would you like a test ride?" Consider yourself warned. :lol:
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Post by xcnick » Oct 05 2018 12:45am

I get the enthusiasm and marketing, but the award and so many other things of ebike popularity seems disrespectful to the people here who made it possible.

I got another one for Spinning Magnets. I wasn't paying attention to how the regular bike cartel works. Now I want a NuVinci it has become important. Today's place buys from Accell group. Retailers buy from a three letter anogram that escapes me at the moment but for hobbies it was REH. Personally I am looking for the one who knows the Bosch secret handshake, but I think an outline of the structure might make a good article. Anybody else?

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Post by LockH » Oct 05 2018 3:24am

Hehe... "I am looking for the one who knows the Bosch secret handshake"... Actually, when Robert Bosch died in 1942 it was more like a raised arm thingee. So any "secret handshake" varies over time...
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Post by xcnick » Oct 05 2018 7:18am

ROTF. However I have to explain why some might think is so inappropriate I laugh. I knew quite a few Nazi's, they would have laughed too, but their children won't.

My mother was a Britt who flew with them pre-war. Buy my book: Naomi the Aviatrix, so I can buy more parts. Walter Kahn, yes a jew, who ran the airports after the war introduced me to many of her, and his Nazi friends. I got some stories that ended with: I haven't even told my kids this stuff. And that is the part that leaves us a bit messed up. The kids, like me are old and in retirement, but they can't build model airplanes with the correct markings and they can't laugh at the joke. Now the grandchildren understand even less, and laugh... well less. And for them, I mean ex Nazi when I say Nazi.

In the second part of the book she flies with the ATA (think women in RAF). Therefore MY joke is that my mother fought the Nazis and my father the Japanese, it is just a bit too Orwellian to have them program my throttle and lock me out of the controller. (anybody,,, Is this mic on?)

Let us see if I can bring this back to the show. Texas based NuVinci is now Eviliolo, Dutch I think. Fokker was Dutch too. I think I just reduced my chances of ever getting a Bosch/Enviolo. Ron, I need a history lesson in ebikes so I stop stepping in it and laughing inappropriately.

I would like to think of myself as a bit of an outlaw eMTB guy who crashed the Interbike party, but here is a pic of my wild and crazy mummy taking a dressing down in an even stricter environment:
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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by spinningmagnets » Oct 05 2018 8:54am

I am a fan of the history of innovation, and I have found that necessity and the blank checks that come from war often create a burst of activity on all sides. It has been interesting to see the Bosch company embracing and becoming the leader of European ebike mid drives. For me, the Bosch name holds a special place because of their pivotal contribution to making internal combustion engines viable.

Watts initial "atmospheric" engines were huge and used low pressure (very safe, and profitably pumped water out of underground mines). Improved cannon boring methods made high-quality cylinders available, which made high-pressure steam engines viable. This means that you could finally get high power from a smaller engine, making cargo locomotives viable (immediately there were huge steam cars, but they required an engineer).

Towns purchased huge one-cylinder steam engines with a heavy flywheel to run a generator, providing street lights at night, and allowing factories to run a night shift. This was a HUGE development, but they still required a licensed engineer because of steam explosions.

For short time, there was a "gaslight" era, where the coal that was used to power steam engines was initially warmed to cause methane to be emitted (and the coal could still be burned in steam engines afterwards). This natural gas could be used to continuously fuel gas-flame lamps, instead of using candles. Plus fueling stoves, instead of using wood-fires to cook. After the pipes and infrastructure for providing and metering gas was in place, Robert Bosch patented the spark-plug and collapsing-field coil. This allowed large one-cylinder steam engines to be converted to burning natural gas, and most did because it eliminated the expensive licensed steam engineer on staff. Any shop-boy could turn on a spark conversion and have it run reliably, to power the factory machines and lights.

It didn't take a genius to see that a sparking system could be added to a small portable steam engine, and then it could be run with a liquid flammable fuel, like benzine (gasoline). Carl Benz built a car on this principle, and struggled for years (there was no financing, and roads were horrible). Gottlieb Daimler developed a cargo-boat engine and was immediately very successful. He only later got into making luxury cars as a hobby (renamed Mercedes).

Although mechanized vehicles (removing horses) helped both the good guys and the bad guys, it transformed travel and business for the average person. Bosch's coil-and-spark-plug played a vital role in that transformation. And now they are at the center of transforming electric bikes as a part of the everyday lives of millions of people around the globe.

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Re: Interbike 2018, Reno-Tahoe, Sept 14-20

Post by LockH » Oct 05 2018 9:02am

^^ "I need a history lesson in ebikes"...?

... how `bout the first ebike (tricycle) built in France in 1881? There may have been others... but Gustave had the better press agents.

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Post by xcnick » Oct 05 2018 9:14am

There was a time it was hard to keep the spirits up. The guy in my pic, Padok, did this little cartoon:
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Something about: "We take away their engines and they still fly over our heads."

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Post by LockH » Oct 05 2018 9:24am

^^ "I need a history lesson in ebikes"...

More "Horses of Iron" here:
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