My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Sep 18 2019 6:11pm

https://youtu.be/4JjrwKDGbRM

Guys here’s a quick teaser video showing the first ride and unveiling of the new Frey EX and Frey CC bikes. I’ve been part of the whole Exchange Tour week with Frey in China and when I get home I will be producing a full video of my week from the first person perspective. Please enjoy and provide any initial comments.

Thanks for watching.

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My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Sinbord1981 » Sep 18 2019 6:13pm

https://youtu.be/4JjrwKDGbRM

Guys here’s a quick teaser video showing the first ride and unveiling of the new Frey EX and Frey CC bikes. I’ve been part of the whole Exchange Tour week with Frey in China and when I get home I will be producing a full video of my week from the first person perspective. Please enjoy and provide any initial comments.

There’s an extremely detailed write up on the new bikes on Electrek.co by Micah Toll. He’s been part of the whole Exchange Tour week, this week in China, and he’s a really cool guy I’ve made a good friendship with. Go to this link for more details.....
https://electrek.co/2019/09/16/frey-bik ... ex-am1000/

For more information on the existing range of Frey models please go to www.frey.bike. Note that the details for the new EX and CC are not yet up on the website but will be coming very soon.
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY XC and FREY CC

Post by brake034 » Sep 18 2019 7:18pm

Yes, a great week and a once in a lifetime experience in my opinion.

Actually both Sinbord1982 and Micah are cool guys :D .
I am sure at least one other ES forum member is attending, he may post about it after the event.

The new EX and CC models are not on the Frey website yet.....
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by mlt34 » Sep 19 2019 12:18am

Micah here - I’ll have more to share soon but the Frey exchange has been epic so far. I’ve never seen such value for eMTBs and the people that founded and run FREY are seriously salt of the earth people. Just amazing.

Sinbord1981 is also a hell of a guy, most positive dude I’ve ever met :lol:
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY XC and FREY CC

Post by brake034 » Sep 19 2019 12:53am

brake034 wrote:
Sep 18 2019 7:18pm
I am sure at least one other ES forum member is attending, he may post about it after the event.
Make that two! :D Have fun at the Double Dragon Cave today guys.
I might be able to catch you all tomorrow in Suzhou at Bafang......
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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Sinbord1981 » Sep 22 2019 6:24am

https://youtu.be/8W8DATK_ggQ

Here's the first day of the Frey Exchange Tour.

Please LIKE and SUBSCRIBE so you get the notifications as I post the next up. There's some real nice riding, and crashing, you'll be amused by!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Sinbord1981 » Sep 22 2019 3:48pm

Part 2's up - riding the Frey eBikes in the mountains and trails at the Brave Peak Bike Park. More to come, including my crash!


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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by TOLM » Sep 24 2019 1:17am

Sinbord1981 wrote:
Sep 18 2019 6:11pm
https://youtu.be/4JjrwKDGbRM

Guys here’s a quick teaser video showing the first ride and unveiling of the new Frey EX and Frey CC bikes. I’ve been part of the whole Exchange Tour week with Frey in China and when I get home I will be producing a full video of my week from the first person perspective. Please enjoy and provide any initial comments.

Thanks for watching.
I noticed you guys riding above the water feature.like a susp bridge thingy. Curious to see what hsppens to the battery when fully submerged in the water

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! Frey AM1000

Post by Sinbord1981 » Sep 24 2019 1:40am

TOLM wrote:
Sep 24 2019 1:17am
I noticed you guys riding above the water feature.like a susp bridge thingy. Curious to see what hsppens to the battery when fully submerged in the water
Hi TOLM - that was me riding the bike and luckily I didn’t fall in the water to test out your question! Knowing the bike as I do, I think it would survive ok being totally submerged under water momentarily but I would recommend it. You’d be better looking at submarines for those sorts of underwater missions 🤣

Seriously though all the bikes connections are specially waterproofed and the connectors to/from the Bafang motor have special rubber inserts to provide for a waterproof connection. I have seen someone somewhere riding the AM1000 in deeper than the wheel axels with the motor fully submerged but I don’t recommend it.

Finally, I’ve got another couple of YouTube videos up on the Frey Exhange Tour that took place last week and you are welcome to have a watch.....



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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by FREYebikes » Sep 24 2019 5:44am

New product PPT video uploaded :lol:
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And some photos from my cellphone.


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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Hardcore » Sep 27 2019 9:07am

I'm delighted to show some footage of the 2020 Frey EX bike going down the brave peak bike park in China. It's a fantastic bike to ride.


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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by jeron » Sep 28 2019 12:59pm

Hardcore wrote:
Sep 27 2019 9:07am
I'm delighted to show some footage of the 2020 Frey EX bike going down the brave peak bike park in China. It's a fantastic bike to ride.

Great video! Is the balans different? Because it looks like a AM1000 with 2 batteries:)

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Grantmac » Sep 28 2019 1:48pm

I'd love to see some weights for Frey, especially from 3rd party testers.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Sinbord1981 » Sep 28 2019 3:01pm

Grantmac wrote:
Sep 28 2019 1:48pm
I'd love to see some weights for Frey, especially from 3rd party testers.
‘Weights’ as in weight of the bikes? I’ve got the AM1000 - that weighs 32KG. We weighed the new EX whilst in the Frey factory last week - comes in at 34KG and I think that was with both the batteries fitted. My personal view is that these bikes wear their weight well in that the power of the bike, even on the lowest assist settings, more than offsets that. The quality of the components used also means they jump very well.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Grantmac » Sep 28 2019 3:50pm

75# is a really heavy bike unfortunately. I was hoping then be more inline with other ebikes around 55 or so.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Hardcore » Sep 29 2019 2:58am

Grantmac wrote:
Sep 28 2019 3:50pm
75# is a really heavy bike unfortunately. I was hoping then be more inline with other ebikes around 55 or so.
I still never understand why one wants a lighter e-bike. If you want high power, you need a bigger motor, bigger battery, strenghtened rear suspension due to the sideways torque, bigger brakes, bigger front fork, wider handlebars, bigger wheels and tires, and add those up to any regular set of components and you get to 30+ kg.

I've heard stories that back in the 90s, lighter bikes became the trend to the extend where riders put their lifes on the line with underconstructed frames, thin wall'd rims, and rim brakes. Nowadays, bikes actually became heavier, look at disc brakes, dropper posts, suspension forks, larger and wider wheels, wider handlebars, etc. .. would you like your bike without? Ebikes have most the weight in the right places, because of the placement of the motor, battery, controller, in the downtube and cranks. The emtbs weight conveys an enormous degree of confidence and provides undreamt-of grip through corners with incredible stopping power and makes ease of any uphill section. Just to mention, some downhillers have even placed lead weights on their bikes for the exact same reasons.

Now where is the disadvantage of weight, you name it, acceleration and uphill, or if you want to transport the bike unassisted. All these can be neglected if you just get a big enough battery and motor and I believe frey has hit a sweet spot with their EX that with one battery weighs about 30kg (34 with both batteries).

Now please, give me your view on this as I am eager to hear your side.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Grantmac » Sep 29 2019 9:37am

You can really feel the weight trying to jump or run them hard through rock gardens. I have a DH conversion which sits at just under 70# and it's very noticeable even with a whole lot more travel than and generally better suspension than these.

Guy are completing CYC builds on aluminum enduro frames around 50-55, the LMX64 sits at ~55 and apparently the 14kw Boxxbike will build around 80#.

So these all sit 10-15# above any sort of benchmark which is unfortunate since they seem like a decent company in terms of quality.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Hardcore » Sep 29 2019 11:18am

Thanks for the reply, from my experience, every bike will handle differently and weight is indeed one important aspect. But rock gardens and jumps depend also on geometry and suspension quality. Hence, comparing different bikes is rather difficult, but you gotta outweigh motor power, battery size, and almost most importantly, price. From my own experience, and this excludes all your mentioned bikes, but jumping the 30kg ebike is more stable than my 17kg mtb, same goes for rock gardens. I jumped the EX with one or two batteries (~3 kg diff) and there was no noticeable difference for me. The question is, is it possible to do, yes absolutely. Is it different for every bike, yes. Now maybe there is an optimum in the middle but in all honesty, I'd rather know my bike won't crack in two than to worry about a bit in jump height.

About the information you give, LMX64 claims 27 kg, while from memory they started with 29kg. I don't know anything about the others you mention other than what the company claims, but would love to try them out, they sound like fun. In terms of battery size, the Boxxbike is similar to the 34 kg EX with two batteries but comes in between 39 - 42kg (claimed not measured). I assume the difference is in the other components. Now compare the price point of each of your mentioned bikes. Coming back to the weight, I'm sure you can lower the weight of the Frey bikes a bit, but by how much, and at what cost price? I'm sure you will find something that suits your needs specifically.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by FREYebikes » Oct 01 2019 8:01am

Glad to tell FREY first exchange tour and new model testing recorded video is online now!
wish all you enjoy it!
https://youtu.be/oPiUx8UGykk

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Sinbord1981 » Oct 03 2019 4:11pm

Part Three from the little video series I’m compiling from my footage of the China Frey Exchange Tour two weeks ago.....


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Post by Sinbord1981 » Oct 05 2019 6:15am

Part Four of my China eBiking series sees me out and about on the Frey AM1000 full suspension eBike in the mountains. I climb up 356 steps of a dam, watch Kevin's skills round the pump track and then head out for a meal and a massage with the Frey team. Another great day doing the sort of riding I just love.

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Sinbord1981 » Oct 06 2019 1:58pm

Part 5 of my China Frey eBike Exchange Tour sees us heading up in to the mountains, with me riding the Frey M600. We went in to the Double Dragon Cave in Jinhua and rode through some amazing and challenging scenery. Enjoy!

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Sinbord1981 » Oct 06 2019 4:06pm

Here's the last final part of my little video series from the Frey Exchange Tour in China, two weeks ago. I find this part one of the most interesting since we had a tour of the Bafang factory making the motors for the Frey eBikes.

>> PART 1: https://youtu.be/8W8DATK_ggQ
>> PART 2: https://youtu.be/N0HfvNprXaA
>> PART 3: https://youtu.be/s1qmsCRqgOY
>> PART 4: https://youtu.be/R1rqx2sGy1w
>> PART 5: https://youtu.be/_Gk0T0n-0EA
>> PART 6: https://youtu.be/g2nzyXwdEBw


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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by brake034 » Oct 11 2019 9:26am

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Re: My Bafang Ultra Mountain Bike! NEW FREY EX and FREY CC

Post by Sinbord1981 » Oct 14 2019 4:30pm

Guys I'd like to share my Facebook channel out to you. It's predominantly aimed at UK-based prospective customers for any of the Frey model range of bikes, including the new CC and EX models that I'm sure you've read about now. Please feel free to LIKE and FOLLOW the page.

https://www.facebook.com/AdrenalineEbikes

I'll be bringing you details on how to buy - either direct from Frey in China, or through my company as their UK Distributor. Pricing is totally transparent and we're working for you to bring the best value high quality eBikes to the UK.

I will be also be bringing interesting news, views and articles around the eBiking scene covering aspects such a UK law and riding on UK roads as well as the dreaded anti-dumping tax.

Please don't forget you can also reach out to me directly at simon_orsborn@yahoo.co.uk for any specification & pricing details.

Best regards,

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