New Bafang Crank-Drives

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by John Bozi » Feb 24 2015 3:05pm

jpo wrote:Since this is a DIY web site I thought I would suggest a cheap alternative. I've taken cheap steal chain rings from sick bike and drilled 5 holes in them to mount directly to the motor. Some care must be taken when drilling the 5 holes but it does work. There is a down side and potential issue. The center hole on the sick bike chain rings is larger than the center hole on the stock bafang ring so all of the load goes to the 5 screws attaching the chain ring to the motor. This could eventually snap the screws. I have not had a problem in 200 miles but beware I have detuned my bafang to a max of 800 watts and typically ride between 400 and 600 watts. The 750 at full strength could be an issue as it can pull well over 1000 watts
I use mine with a 9 speed cassette and the chain line is ok not great but it shifts fine and chain does not fall off. I am using a front derailleur as a gauge to keep the chain from falling off.
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Don't the 5 holes already on their chainrings match up?

Can you post a pic of yours?

I am hoping that I can run a bafang 44t on sick bikes HD freewheel screwed onto my hub motor... don't know if they will match for now... if they don't then the 44t will go at the front and I'll have to order a chainring from them for the back....

Hope the torque isn't too much for the screws as you mentioned.

Does their 36t offset inwards clear the "bafang sticking out bit" on the bottom right of the motor?

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by jpo » Feb 24 2015 3:21pm

The center hole on the sick bike chain ring is about 4mm larger in diameter than the stock bafang ring so the bafang will not mount on the HD freewheel without significant modification.
The 5 bolt hole pattern does not line up either. I wish it did.
There is no off set on the sick bike chain ring. It is flat.

Do you need a HD freewheel? I have an unused one that I bought as back up and never used. The thing is truly heavy duty, I have close to 15,000 miles of daily commuting on mine rain or shine, although it hasn't really rained in almost 3 years.

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by John Bozi » Feb 24 2015 3:42pm

they look offset to me

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I've already ordered the hd freewheel... ah well I'll have to buy a chainring from them too as I'm sure theirs match it.

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by puregsr » Feb 24 2015 4:47pm

Ade wrote:
leelorr wrote:
California E-bikes sells two sizes of chain ring adapters for the BBS0x. You can see them both at :
http://california-ebike.com/product-cat ... ent-parts/
Yes, I had one and used it for a 36T chainring but, using them as intended will probably put your chainline out some. One of the guys here suggests to turn them around and use a spacer which will impact the chainline less. They still won't put the chainline back as much as the stock chainring though as it's dished, and the bling ring has an even more pronounced offset.
The 130BCD adapter looks like you may be able to flip it backwards, thus improving the chainline. Would somebody confirm this?

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by Aushiker » Feb 24 2015 8:32pm

Ade wrote:
Aushiker wrote:
Ade wrote: and a custom 42t chainring which will bring the chainline back in to where it should be, all of which should help with chain slips, chain drops and broken links.
I also have a chainline issue so I am interested in your custom option. Do you have a link by any chance?

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http://em3ev.com/store/index.php?route= ... uct_id=197
Thanks. Does this bring the chain line closer to the frame or further out or no change? I am looking to see if I can bring the chainline a mm or two closer to the frame.

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by Ade » Feb 24 2015 10:59pm

Aushiker wrote:
Thanks. Does this bring the chain line closer to the frame or further out or no change? I am looking to see if I can bring the chainline a mm or two closer to the frame.

Andrew
It will take it closer to the frame - not sure of the exact difference between it and the stock chainring but you could always ask the guys that make it at http://lekkie.bike
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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by Aushiker » Feb 24 2015 11:36pm

Ade wrote:
Aushiker wrote:
Thanks. Does this bring the chain line closer to the frame or further out or no change? I am looking to see if I can bring the chainline a mm or two closer to the frame.

Andrew
It will take it closer to the frame - not sure of the exact difference between it and the stock chainring but you could always ask the guys that make it at http://lekkie.bike
Thanks.

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by Samd » Feb 25 2015 12:21am

I make one of the adapters listed above and sell them via my site and ebay. I am curious as to why the chainline is an issue for you guys - is it because of dropped chains or something else?

I am liking offroading with my bafangs, and am working on a new product that will solve dropped chains but its about two weeks away.
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Post by John Bozi » Feb 25 2015 2:49am

Samd wrote:I make one of the adapters listed above and sell them via my site and ebay. I am curious as to why the chainline is an issue for you guys - is it because of dropped chains or something else?

I am liking offroading with my bafangs, and am working on a new product that will solve dropped chains but its about two weeks away.
do use the adapter?

There is no real thing to say but that what every biker knows. Straight chain line makes stuff last longer and more power can be put through it.

Anyhow with my mates help we moved the set of 3 granny inwards and put spacers between them and the spokes and added sprockets from another cassette to complete my previously 10 speed became a 7 speed. I gained almost 2 cm for my granny.

I now have 4 gears 11t perfect and granny 36t works perfect and a couple inbetween.

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by kocoman » Mar 04 2015 5:26pm

I want to include this tracking device to the bike, any ideas? thanks

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/itra ... ing-device

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by parabellum » Mar 04 2015 6:15pm

kocoman wrote:I want to include this tracking device to the bike, any ideas? thanks

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/itra ... ing-device
Just add real GPS tracking device, which gives you 3m radius location, not residential block size precision. Energy supply on an E bike is not an issue. :wink:

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by leelorr » Mar 04 2015 6:53pm

Just add real GPS tracking device, which gives you 3m radius location, not residential block size precision. Energy supply on an E bike is not an issue. :wink
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First thing I thought when I saw "1 block radius" spec was that if someone steals my bike and takes it home, a 1 block radius is not going to help me much.

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by tahustvedt » Mar 09 2015 1:40am

Is the c965 a better display unit than the 1 and 3? I have C961 on my current Bafang, which is fine, but I will have to get another motor later on.

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by Kepler » Mar 09 2015 5:04am

I am so sick of the useless information supplied by the stock Bafang displays. I want meaningful ebike information. Whrs/km, Whrs, Ahrs. Real electrical consumption and knowing exactly how much battery l have left.

Decided it was time to finally get serious with a Cycle Analyst for the Bafang BBS drive and ditch the useless stock display. We unfortunately not quite but as good as. :)

Result? Nice uncluttered Handlebars, and a fully functioning CA that interacts with the drive seamlessly.
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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by astmacca » Mar 09 2015 5:28am

Mr Kepler well done! Obviously being such a wunderful bloke and remarkably attractive man you have a wiring diagram somewhere that may allow a mere mortal to do this? :)

Or are you considering making up the harness for fitting a CA to the BBS02 and flogging them off??
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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by Kepler » Mar 09 2015 5:32am

Wiring diagram to follow of course :) Thought I would throw up the teaser for starters. :mrgreen:
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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by astmacca » Mar 09 2015 5:41am

Consider me thoroughly teased. :)

Its the kind of info that i'd really like to have on hand for when the OH will let me spend money on bike stuff.....which i am sure will happen this side of the next millennium. :(

Will be interesting to hear about how the CA programming interacts with the programming of the built in controller?? Will patiently await with interest.
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Post by dumbass » Mar 09 2015 5:17pm

Kepler wrote:Wiring diagram to follow of course :) Thought I would throw up the teaser for starters. :mrgreen:
Kemper, Have you considered selling a CA preprogramed along with the a modified harness all ready to plug in? There's a lot of us that just want to ride and not fiddle anymore.

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Post by teslanv » Mar 09 2015 5:26pm

When My BBS02's Integrated controller dies, I will to switch it out for a 9FET Xie Chang ("Infineon") controller. Then hooking up a CA is a piece of cake.
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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by melodious » Mar 09 2015 5:46pm

Today, I just opened about 70% of the BBS trying to troubleshoot & fix a mild click sound I'm getting under power. Inpected the nylon gears and they are fine. I'm guessing it's something with the clutch (I'm batting 3 of 4 for breaking a clutch in the EV world :cry: ) I remember reading in Keplers thread he needed to tighten something down after about 1000km and figured I'm in the same boat now. Anyone opened up the clutch side of the BBS :?:

Edit: it's not in his thread. It's probably somewhere in this 160+ paged monstrosity :shock: .
this page shows the motor pretty much fully disassembled.

2hrs of freaking scrolling & next page clicks and found it. I deserve an extra morning hash brown for sure. :o

Running a different controller looks super easy from the looks of things. Standard 3 phase wires and (this is a guess) 3 halls +1 temp wire.
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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by John Bozi » Mar 09 2015 9:49pm

teslanv wrote:When My BBS02's Integrated controller dies, I will to switch it out for a 9FET Xie Chang ("Infineon") controller. Then hooking up a CA is a piece of cake.
Has anyone got a build thread of this yet?

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by Gab » Mar 10 2015 6:53am

Anyone also seen this speed drop problem here ?
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 28&t=67571


The CA replacement display could be a nice fix for this speed drop problem also

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by cycborg » Mar 10 2015 9:44am

Kepler wrote:I am so sick of the useless information supplied by the stock Bafang displays. I want meaningful ebike information. Whrs/km, Whrs, Ahrs. Real electrical consumption and knowing exactly how much battery l have left.

Decided it was time to finally get serious with a Cycle Analyst for the Bafang BBS drive and ditch the useless stock display. We unfortunately not quite but as good as. :)

Result? Nice uncluttered Handlebars, and a fully functioning CA that interacts with the drive seamlessly.
Nice work as usual, Kepler. I'm interested in the details as well. I'm concerned that this great topic could get sidetracked by all the crosstalk on this thread - maybe it's a good idea to start a new one or add this to your bike build thread?

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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by Kepler » Mar 11 2015 3:43am

Thanks Cyborg. True, info does tend to disappear into the crosstalk of this thread. I will move the discussion to my Bafang BBS bike build thread for anyone that is interested.

Been doing quite a bit of testing with this set up and have some more info to add.
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Re: New Bafang Crank- DRives

Post by opperpanter » Mar 12 2015 5:24am

Hi all,

I have a 750W BBS02, with a 14S NCA pack (all by em3ev).
How will the display now it's 14S (58.8V) and not 13S (54.6V)?

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