Which throttle does it come with ? Cyclone Taiwan normally supplies the ORO throttle which I think is probably one of the oldest and most reliably cyclone throttles? never heard of anyone having issues with them or is it another type ?Postby flat tire » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:37 pm
I wouldn't get the Kelly. The included throttle is also total garbage. I use a Domino, other acceptable quality throttles can be found from ev motos on ebay like the zero, alta, brammo, et al.
progrock wrote:OK, so I'm about to mod my stock 40amp bluetooth controller to add a Cycle Analyst 6-pin plug to it, and since there's pretty much no room to fit the cable into the main bundle of cables leaving the controller, and simply because that bundle is a total mess... I figure it would be a good idea to eliminate some wires I'll never need (or at the very least, tuck them in the controller if there is room... so I'll at least have space to get the Cycle Analyst plug out with the rest of the wires).
So, I started off by listing the different groups of wires, there are 13 of them, in no particular order... describing the wires from the controller:
1) Main Power, 2 wires: red, black (thickest wires)
2) Phase Wires, 2 wires: yellow, green (thick)
3) Phase Wire, 1 wire: blue (thick)
4) Bluetooth, 4 wires: red, green, yellow, black
5) Throttle, 3 wires: red, green, black
6) Low Brake, 2 wires: black, grey
7) Low Brake, 2 wires: black, grey (same as above, but there are 2)
Manual Cruise, 2 wires: black, purple+white
9) 3 Speed, 3 wires: blue, black, pink
10) Power Switch, Hall Sensor... 6 + 1 wires: yellow, blue, green, red, yellow+green, black, light red (light red separate, goes to battery harness?)
11) PAS, 3 wires: red, green, black
12) PAS ON/OFF, 2 wires: black, black
13) Reverse, 2 wires: black, brown
OK, so it's obviously safe to say some of these will not be needed on this build... and some, I'm not 100% sure on, but should be easy enough to figure out...
#13 Reverse, I don't think there is any use of this on a mid drive motor, correct?
I assume the 2 Low Brakes (#6, #7) are for the 2 brake levers to add sensors to temporarily kill the engine when the brakes are pressed?
As for #11 and #12, PAS and PAS ON/OFF... I don't plan on using pedal assist at first, but it's possible I may consider adding it later (tho unlikely). BUT, if I were to add PAS later, and since I will have a Cycle Analyst v3... would the PAS be wired to the CA, instead of the controller, making these wires useless to me?
#9, 3 Speed Button, another connector I don't think I'll be using... again, I figure I'd be using the cycle analyst to limit the motor (if I ever want to, probably only for letting people test ride the bike)... I don't think I need to keep this around either
#8 Manual Cruise, presumably this lets you add a cruise control switch... something I don't plan on doing right now, tho may come up in the future... tho, I am not sure about this, but is this also anoth control that could be wired to the CA instead of this connector?
#5, Throttle.... normally I would think this is a must have/important... BUT, again, since I am going to be using a CA v3, I'm pretty sure I would wire my throttle into that, so this is likely also unnecessary, right? (given, I may not entirely remove this, just tuck it away)
I think that pretty much covers it... aside from the connectors/wires that are completely obvious that I need. Can anyone confirm my thoughts on these?... I figure the ones I will never need, what I could do is simply cut the wire inside the controller, removing the connector and excess wire, but leave a stub that I can place a label on in case for one reason or another I decide to reattach the connector (or a new on for that matter). Of course I would wrap the stub in electrical tape, or similar, to make sure it never gets shorted out or anything like that.
On a side note, I dug up this post from a google image that caught my eye: https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 31&t=81711
That upgraded mount looks amazing compared to the stock setup. Does anyone know if there is anywhere to get this, or something similar to it now?... I definitely want one!
Also, whats up with this washer mod I hear mentioned a ton of times, but can't seem to find a single post with working photos/diagrams... let alone just some photos floating around. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Just saw their is a few already for sale here: https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 31&t=81711Luna Cycle will sell mounts in the near future
progrock wrote:Robocam, thank you for the reply, and I love the super clean controller wiring you got there.
OK, I was wondering about the jumper for maximum speed... I kinda expected that the Cycle Analyst would be able to do that without the jumper... or possibly even the bluetooth connectivity could also provide that ability without the need of a jumper (but I have not looked into either yet, not even sure what options the bluetooth will give me). As for which 2 wires it is on the 40A bluetooth controller.... I'm not even sure if there is ANY difference between the normal 40A controller and the Bluetooth controller (Again, I could be totally wrong here), but it sorta appears that the "bluetooth" functionality is an add-on module connected to the controller externally (then again, maybe the non bluetooth doesn't even have the connector the module goes to, I'm just assuming they are the same because there is an external bluetooth module on my controller).
As I mentioned, I'm planning to mod my controller to add the 6 pin Cycle Analyst connector (using this walk through: http://www.ebikeschool.com/add-cycle-an ... ontroller/ ). Your response about the throttle wires pointed something out I had overlooked... in the process of cleaning up this controller's wiring, and adding the CA plug, there may be a few chances to simply utilize a wire from one of the connector/wire groups I'm cleaning up. Obviously the throttle is one, I'll have to check the others. But, that actually may slightly mess up my plans.... I was thinking about using some shielded signal wire I have, it's 8 x 22 gauge pure copper wire, shielded, and wrapped in white PVC. I've been using it to upgrade/clean up the wiring of my most recent custom 3D printer build... tho it's really intended to be used for wiring inside the walls of a house/building, but I think it should be fine for this. It's technically 8 strands, but I was just going to pull out 2, so it would be the 6 I need. Looks like I could remove the majority of the wires from the controller... of course leaving the power and phase wires, the other motor connector wires (hall, etc), the bluetooth connector wires, and the 6 wires for the CA connector. I'll have to checkout the mod to the 3 speed, maybe I can just bridge it directly on my controller, and not have the wires external... probably don't need much more than those.
So to clarify, the Luna cyclone kit comes with a different mounting adapter that does already go straight to the motor?... I guess it's my fault for not looking into this myself, but I had specifically asked in this thread whether or not SBP's kit had a different mount than Luna's, and had been told it was the same.
I'm gonna look into attempting that "side plate mod" of yours... Guess I need to grab a plate of aluminum. I actually have a brand new Bosch angle grinder I bought a few months ago, with a pretty large amount of addons.... I suppose not the most ideal tool for that kind of round cut, but I'm hoping I can manage something close that'll work. Definitely wish that mount I found for $100 was still available... that honestly looked pretty legit compared to the stock, and I would say the price is fair for what goes into making something like that, that is not mass produced. Would be great if Luna, or anyone, sold an upgraded mount.... even the 2 main mount plates seem rather weak to me, I wouldn't mind having a beefed up pair of those, among other mods.
In some cross chat with Gman I said I was running 20S. The 20S battery was incorrect as I am running 21S. I got the 3S pack by splitting a 6S pack. That gives me 84v max. No problems here.Robo
Regarding the caps, I wouldn't spend time/money upgrading them unless you have problems. There are many here that run 20s packs on the stock controller.